Getting my wife into a catfight!!!!

[bootfight]

My wife did a dozen fights for me. We did it through escort services. Both women were wearing thigh high boots, leather gloves, and a couple times leather pants. Met in a hotel and they fought on the floor and the bed. Good hairpulling, slapping, wrestling type fights. Nobody got hurt, but once the nervousness went away, they were out to win. She did it the first time for my birthday. Not one I'll forget anytime soon.

[lumberjack66]

Obviously I have long been interested in this subject.  I would agree that 90%+ of the ladies on these boards are men.  In addition, 90% of the guys who say their wives will fight are lying.  Probably 90% of the women that are real that say they fight are also lying.  That leaves a tiny fraction of the people left that are most likely for real not counting those guys who openly admit our wives won't fight... obviously we are telling the truth... we are pathetic... but we are telling the truth.

If your wife is interested, I see nothing wrong with hiring an escort or pro to wrestle her.  It is probably the easiest thing to do and in most states I doubt it is even illegal.  I would agree with somebody you should make sure to keep it safe.  Try not to get some addict.  Don't offer a bonus for winning or loosing.

If you are more interested in seeing her against somebody more like her, voice verified is probably the way to go.  Even there there are a few posers, but at least it isn't the high percentages here.

Regarding this guy stringing us along... if he is he is just one of the 99% that are stringing us all along.  I think the advice would still be valuable to the 1% that it does apply to.  Enough said.

[SketchArtiste]

"If your wife is interested, I see nothing wrong with hiring an escort or pro to wrestle her.  It is probably the easiest thing to do and in most states I doubt it is even illegal."

"Regarding this guy stringing us along... if he is he is just one of the 99% that are stringing us all along.  I think the advice would still be valuable to the 1% that it does apply to."

"If you are more interested in seeing her against somebody more like her, voice verified is probably the way to go." 
 

Of course you don't see anything wrong...and many young kids think they can sit on a large firecracker and ride to the moon.  Fortunately they usually have an adult around to save their genitals from being blown off and their asshole fried by the inevitable botched launch.  The problem is that this method simply hasn't worked well for anyone in the past.  The people that say it has worked well are lying posers.

Advice from someone who has never tried or taken said advice is as useful as someone telling you how to go out and wage a war based on the John Wayne movies they've seen. It's BS and the best case scenario is that you'll waste your money and leave a bad taste in your wife's mouth (not that she hasn't been through that before) with regards to participating in FvsF.

Your best bet in finding matches while minimizing the number of posers involved is to
A: Hire a session wrestler:  This is your absolute best bet, because both parties have a vested interest in being their and putting their best uh...'foot' forward.

B: Join a voice verified group: For all of you guys claiming that you're trying to "set up a match" for your wife...forget about it.  Your wife or SO will need to set this up.  Women VV groups typically don't fall for this BS of "the husband/BF" driving the process because the verification and subsequent match hook-up is not going to happen unless your woman has enough initiative to get on the phone and go through the verification process. 

Despite the sexy profile pics, there are less than 5-6% actual women that post on this forum. Most of the guys that show up here will always get hopelessly sidetracked by a sexy photo and want to PM or begin a dialogue...that's just stupid.  The best way to meet live women interested in FvsF is to go out where live women hang out and enjoy yourself making new acquaintances until someone bites down on the bait.  Suggestion: Don't start the fishing trip if you're not committed to getting your pole wet...

SA

[lumberjack66]

lol... very funny... large firecracker... strangely even as a kid running wild without any parental guidance at all it never occurred to me to put an explosive device anywhere near my unit... but it is still funny.  I assume your point is that you are the adult and we are all children?  Interesting point of view.

I guess as far as I see it, hiring a session wrestler is no different than hiring an escort.  Of course you might be the expert for all I know as you have hired so many escorts... I don't know.  Haven't had the opportunity or need to hire one yet.  I guess I was trying to say it was not morally repugnant or out of the question.  The primary difference would be that the session wrestler would presumably have more experience than an common "escort".  I would say an escort has the same vested interest as a session wrestler.  If she does a bad job you won't pay her or you won't hire her again.  And the service would have to be agreed to before she was hired.  I guess I wasn't trying to suggest hiring a crack addicted prostitute to jump your wife unexpectedly or offering a reward for the winner.  To assume that anybody that says they have done this successfully is a lying poser is to simply assume that everybody except you is a lying poser and therefore not worth your time. 

As far as it leaving a bad taste in their mouth, I believe you take the same risk with a "Professional" session wrestler who either overpowers your wife or deliberately throws the match, or with an untrained opponent that you find on Voice Verified, or even with her best friend or your best friends wife.  The chance exists that the encounter will not go well and she will end up with a bad taste.  And that chance is about the same every time you have a new opponent.  It isn't like the "professional" has a license, official training, or enormous track record you can check.  Most that I have seen may have a web site with some feedback (that they control) or perhaps a tiny list of positive feedback on some third party site.  It is not a guarantee of a positive experience.  Probably a better chance than somebody with no experience at all, but no guarantee.  You say that hiring an escort has never worked for anybody... do you have any personal experience to back that up?  Have any statistics?  I certainly don't and thus would never use the word never.  I believe it is an option.  Maybe not the best option, but it is an option.

I do agree with you that most guys claiming that they are setting up a match for their wife or gf are full of it.  Probably the same percentage of them are "posing" and lying as the "women" we chat with here.  I think 5-6% may be a little harsh, but it is realistic.  A profile pic means nothing (unless they have the handwritten note saying they fight).  At the same time this is our fantasy.  I suspect most wives that agree to it leave it to the husbands to do the legwork.  To say they have to do all the work is unrealistic.  Most of us would be lucky to get our SO to talk about it, let alone research it, sift through the posers, and set up a match on their own.  Of course at some point they would have to be involved in this process.  I think that anybody that would show up for a match without having at least talked one time to their opponent on the phone is crazy.  Male or female.  Again, we are talking a huge percentage of the people involved in this are posers.  Voice Verified probably brings that number down to something manageable as does a profile pic with a hand written note.  If you can't get your wife to talk to another woman on the phone for 10 minutes or take one clothed pic with her face blacked out with a hand written note, chances are pretty low she is going to ever do this no matter what she says.

I guess what I am trying to say, SketchArtist, is I think most of us know the percentages here.  We come here and chat in spite of numbers.  That doesn't mean that we never have new blood in our "community" that we never can ever repeat the conversation.  If somebody asks the question, I think it is O.K. for us to have a discussion.  If we are having a conversation that in the end only applies to 5% of the people, that doesn't mean that the conversation has no value or needs to be closed down.  Even if the person initiating the conversation is lying, we still can have the conversation.  Maybe it will help somebody in that 5%.  If it does, great.  If not, it doesn't hurt anybody to talk, does it?

[SketchArtiste]

and died before you could stand up again???

"I assume your point is that you are the adult and we are all children?  Interesting point of view."

"I guess as far as I see it, hiring a session wrestler is no different than hiring an escort.  Of course you might be the expert for all I know as you have hired so many escorts..."

Running around without any parental guidance is preferable to running around without any genitals... If you're naive enough to think "hiring an escort" is the same as hiring a session wrestler then you ARE simply Ms. Taken.  Nothing is more insulting to session wrestlers than this Ms. Guided notion that they're the same as "escorts". They aren't, and the fact that you have this attitude is proof that you're basically someone who has very little if ANY expertise or experience setting up FvsF matches or working with those that do.

When people on this board speak of hiring escorts, I assume they have enough sense to know better than to try to secure services from a crack-happy street ho...of course, I could be Ms. Informed. With regards to this topic, I'm speaking of what I know, what I've done as well as my services rendered to session wrestlers as well as escorts.  I'm not hanging out on the board blowing smoke out of my ass pontificating about a bunch of "what if" BS "escort hiring" scenarios.  My statistics are as follows: Every single person I've known that's tried this (11 to date) has walked away from the experience with a light wallet compounded by an extreme lack of satisfaction.  I'm not saying it can't or won't EVER work...I just don't know of anyone who has done this successfully. If you think my having more experience in this arena than you makes you a liar and a child, you're welcome to that premature interpretation...but it's yours, not mine.  

"I suspect most wives that agree to it leave it to the husbands to do the legwork.  To say they have to do all the work is unrealistic."

Uhhm...Overgeneralize much???  I didn't say the wives would have to do ALL of the legwork. What I specifically said was related to the voice verification process and is as follows:

"...Women VV groups typically don't fall for this BS of "the husband/BF" driving the process because the verification and subsequent match hook-up is not going to happen unless your woman has enough initiative to get on the phone and go through the verification process."

"If somebody asks the question, I think it is O.K. for us to have a discussion.  If we are having a conversation that in the end only applies to 5% of the people, that doesn't mean that the conversation has no value or needs to be closed down."

Geezus H. SlumberJacked!  Again I ask: Did you sit down really hard around something very stupid that got stuck and died before you could stand up again???  Where the mthrfck did I say or suggest that "it's not ok" for anyone to have this discussion or that "the conversation was of no value" or that it needed to be "closed down"  Are you off your mthfrckng meds again or what?  It's one thing if you want to argue a point but don't do it by putting words in someone else's mouth.  Let's do a recap of the basics:

1. Your propositions and scenarios have all the credibility of an Old Broke-Dick Blind man trying to provide New porno reviews.  With every word that leaves your mouth it becomes clear you simply don't know what you're talking about.

2. Are you under the assumption that escorts want to come over and work up a sweat wrestling?  Unless they specialize in FvsF wrestling, the vast majority of escorts think any guy that calls and wants them to "wrestle" their wife/GF/themselves is an idiot and a sucker.  They will take your money upfront (as they're trained to do) and then deliver some lackluster BS performance and leave.  They don't give a rusty shit about whether you call them back or not because they're not interested in getting sweaty and bruised up during the same amount of time that they could've turned 2 tricks. They're going to charge you out the ass and walk away with your money.  As I mentioned earlier, I provided a service for escorts (as well as some session wrestlers) and I know people that have tried to hire them to wrestle mixed and fvsf. I can't say what EVERY escort would do but this is my experience with the ones I worked with.  The type of escort who might handle this type of request is more of a high end/high dollar call girl who would charge you a LOT more (and do considerable less wrestling)  than you'd pay for a decent session wrestler.

3.  During the entire time I worked with escorts do you know how many requests they had from guys that called to have someone come over and wrestle?  ZERO...NONE-Zip Nada!! When you get on a message forum and start to spout off and pop off about things of which you know naught, there are going to be occasions where someone refutes or disagrees with you.  There's no reason to take it personally, especially when you've already admitted you don't have any expertise with the subject matter. Drop the attitude and stop thinking everyone has to acquiesce to your armchair afternoon consultant FvsF expertise. It's a message board  forum SlumberJ, not a group therapy session.  Get a grip pal.


SA

[tom73]

If your wife is really into it, there is absolutely no problem paying a session wrestler OR a hooker to wrestle or fight her. Yes, it is possible to keep it all on the safe side. Yes, people have done this before.

[DAN THE MAN]

I think that you can find another woman who you could get to fight your wife, if you and her go to a bar, and have your wife pick out a woman she'd like to fight, and while dancing, she can bump into the woman a few times, and /or spill a drink on her...hey buddy...I guarentee it, the catfight will be on. Then, after they are seperated, you can suggest that they go somewhere to finsh their fight. I know this can work, because I had a girlfriend  before who did it from time to time and we had  great evenings of excitement and later, great nights of sex.

[SketchArtiste]

If your wife is really into it, there is absolutely no problem paying a session wrestler OR a hooker to wrestle or fight her. Yes, it is possible to keep it all on the safe side. Yes, people have done this before.

Just a question...

SA

[lumberjack66]

SA... sorry to have pissed you off so much.  Really didn't mean to.  Just trying to have a conversation here.  When I say that you are trying to shut down the conversation I am referring to your tactic of belittling anybody who dare disagrees with you, name calling, and in general poo pooing what they might say.  It is the standard practice for people who want a conversation, debate, or discussion to end.  If I have misread your name calling, belittling, and comparisons of myself to a small child playing with fireworks, I apologize.  One of the evils of text vs. the spoken word is it is hard to read intent sometimes.

Let me be 100% clear here:  I have never hired a session wrestler.  I have never hired a prostitute.  I have never hired an escort.  To wrestle myself, my wife, or to mow my lawn, wash my car, or perform any other service for me.  I do not have a huge volume of experience.  I believe I make that pretty clear in my profile.  My only experience with any of the above was when I lived in the basement of a house below a prostitute.  I never asked her, but based on the work she did, I think she be happy to wrestle for one night instead of entertaining the men she did.  I assure you, this woman was not too worried about how she looked.  And she did not exactly have soaring standards in general.  But again, I never asked her so I don't know.  I can honestly say she worked very hard for her money.  

I am not arguing that hiring a prostitute or an escort or a session wrestler is the BEST INVESTMENT OF YOUR MONEY.  In this economy, they just might be , but I do not know that.  Nor am I saying that Session Wrestlers are Prostituting themselves or should be treated like prostitutes or have the same skills (or lack there of) of escorts.  If any session wrestler reads this discussion and I have offended you.  I apologize.  If your intention is to defend their honor SA, consider it defended.

I have spoken to people who I verified were legitimate during my time running the precursor to Voice Verified who hired an escort and it worked out for them.  I don't know where they found the escort.  I don't know how much they paid her.  I do know that they were looking for a simple wrestling match which the escort provided.  And they hired her to do it several times.  All I was saying was it is an option.  You could certainly argue based on your experience it is not the best option.  I would agree.  I direct everybody I speak to to Voice Verified first as the best option and did that in my original post.  I have spoken to people with bad experiences there, but I think it is the best option.  I think if you were fortunate enough to live in an area with a suitable session wrestler, that would probably be the next best option.  The advantage there is at least you know they have some experience and can hopefully get some feedback before the transaction and probably have some recourse after (talking bad about them on these boards???), but I spoken to individuals who claimed to have a bad experience there too.  After that we are down to escorts.  It is quite possible that the 11 people you know who have gone this route have higher standards than I do and therefore were disappointed with the result.  If my wife were willing to do this, I'd be thrilled to see a simple pin wrestling match.  No bruises.  No Scratches.  If it cost me as much as 2 tricks or 5 tricks... I think I'd pay it.  Again... not sure what a trick costs... but I'd pay it.

Again, my experience and opinion is based on being involved in this community for the last... 15 years and is primarily based on the people I have chatted with.  My experience certainly may pale to yours.  Just throwing out my two cents worth.  If you feel it isn't worth the 2 cents...  I guess that is your opinion.

[Brit_brat]

Well said Lumberjack   ........... your a big man indeed and have impressed me.............. here is a guy that is not into "persuading" his loved one and obviously respects her enough to accept her decision not to participate in something she has no wish to be part of.

Was speaking to someone last night who was about to have a wrestling session with his own wife........ what is hotter than that.............. and healthy too

As for gaining experience from cyberland.......... well this is cyberland.......... and most of what is written is fantasy only ......... and never enters the real world ........... and for that I am grateful!

Interesting lumberjack on your comments with a prostitute who worked above you.  Yes I reckon they work very hard for their money........ lets give them the respect we give to others in real life ......... we have not walked their road and until we do lets avoid judgement.

Finally to come back to topic, if a woman is not into it, leave her alone, to persuade her to do something that might have lasting damage is playing with fire......... unless you hold no value on your relationship.

Brit

[SketchArtiste]

"SA... sorry to have pissed you off so much.  "

Seriously???  Did Mayberry RFD just get a broadband connection or are we having some massive disconnect.  You haven't even seen me "pissed off".  Do you really not understand that I'm laughing while I'm writing this stuff??

When I say that you are trying to shut down the conversation I am referring to your tactic of belittling anybody who dare disagrees with you, name calling, and in general poo pooing what they might say.  It is the standard practice for people who want a conversation, debate, or discussion to end.

Standard practice?  Maybe that's just the case where you're from.  I welcome and appreciate disagreement and smack-talk (when done well ;-) but, where I'm from, when we hear someone make a statement with the IQ equivalence of someone who's never read a book suggesting how someone else write one, we feel it's open season..."let the bodies hit the floor".  Although it may seem like a thin line, I try to refrain from name calling by choosing to talk about what people say instead of talking about people.  If you'll notice, any remarks I've made are regarding the contents of your comment.  That being the case, you should not consider my replies as belittling you. Quite the contrary...I'm belittling the ignorant BS you're saying.  Now that we've gotten that little tidbit out of the way, it's a good thing to keep in mind that when you choose to take a crack at me and I crack back at you harder that's just me doing this a lot better than you.  Don't take it personally.

"Let me be 100% clear here:  I have never hired a session wrestler.  I have never hired a prostitute.  I have never hired an escort.I am not arguing that hiring a prostitute or an escort or a session wrestler is the BEST INVESTMENT OF YOUR MONEY."

"Nor am I saying that Session Wrestlers are Prostituting themselves or should be treated like prostitutes or have the same skills (or lack there of) of escorts."

Actually, you imply and infer it with the following statements:

"...I see nothing wrong with hiring an escort or pro to wrestle her."

"I guess as far as I see it, hiring a session wrestler is no different than hiring an escort."

If I make the comment -

"You  can use catsup or mustard with those curly fries"

I'm "implying" and "infering" that catsup and mustard are both items that can be used along with curly fries.  If I make the statement -

"You can use catsup or I can just jerk off on your curly fries"

I can't reasonably come back and claim I never intended to suggest my dick spit be used as a condiment for your curly fries. Don't be two-faced with your statements.  You said it so fucking OWN it.

 "If any session wrestler reads this discussion and I have offended you.  I apologize.  If your intention is to defend their honor SA, consider it defended."

Dude...I'm in San Francisco.  I don't play "Captain Save-a-HO".  I don't even like his records. Session wrestlers don't need me to defend their honor.  If anything, I was defending a basic standard of intelligence and awareness which was assaulted by your ridiculous statements and subsequent insipid "backpedaling".  In case you're not sure, I'm not talking about you...I'm talking about what you said. ;-)

"My experience certainly may pale to yours.  Just throwing out my two cents worth.  If you feel it isn't worth the 2 cents...  I guess that is your opinion."

In order for your experience to pale, it would have to have some degree of pigmentation, quite unlike the Saran Rap you've managed to stretch out so far that almost anyone can see through it.  I was in a group meeting one time many years ago and the topic of compiler writing was being discussed for one of the projects that had been assigned to our department. I'll never forget what the manager said when someone asked if everyone would have a say in how the design would be implemented.  The manager made one of the best comments on "opinions" that I've heard since which was: 

"Sure...you'll all have a say, but the only comments that actually matter are those that belong to people that have experience writing compilers".

  SlumberJack - YOu can glean from that whatever you wish.

"Let me be 100% clear here:  I have never hired a session wrestler.  I have never hired a prostitute.  I have never hired an escort.I am not arguing that hiring a prostitute or an escort or a session wrestler is the BEST INVESTMENT OF YOUR MONEY."

"I have spoken to people who I verified were legitimate during my time running the precursor to Voice Verified who hired an escort and it worked out for them.  I don't know where they found the escort.  I don't know how much they paid her.  I do know that they were looking for a simple wrestling match which the escort provided.  And they hired her to do it several times."

"Obviously I have long been interested in this subject."

Really...and yet when presented with an actual source, someone who could provide you specifics on the who, what, where and how much, you failed to avail yourself the opportunity to collect information?  That just smells like complete BS SlumberJ.  If someoone tells me about a live FvsF show in the Bay Area or a great FvsF DVD the FIRST questions out of my mouth are where is it and how I can get in touch...but not you...which just sounds very suspicious and lacks a degree of sincerity (i.e. also see Webster's under "reality").  However, I think I'm starting to understand your resentment of my comments.  Guys like you seem more infatuated with the day-to-day blowhardesque fantasy of actually believing you have the power to hire an escort and make your FvsF fantasies come true.  You won't ever have the balls to actually follow-up on that fantasy or do anything towards making it come true because the reality of the true details involved might not match your white wonderbread cotton candied dream world.  Someone like me sharing my particular dose of reality must taste like piss in the punchbowl to an experienced voice verified armchair athlete like you.

One more point: I know prostitutes and hookers that have done some of the most vile and disgusting things simply becuase they were paid.  I wouldn't want my wife or any of the women I've dated to use the bathroom after one of them, let alone get close enough to "wrestle".  I don't buy the argument that a hooker or a session wrestler will do. One of the main differences (among many) between a "hooker" and a session wrestler usually revolves around the session wrestler not being willing to engage in sexual acts with the client.  Anyone who is considering using a hooker instead of a session wrestler for a wrestling session is more likely than not (qualifier meaning NOT ALWAYS but most likely) more interested in attaching a sexual favor along with the wrestling...plain and simple.  We're' adults.  This isn't a Tea party or an encounter session.  Say what you mean and mean what you say and for God's sake stop getting all bent out of shape when someone calls you on your BS.

SA

[M-M-M]

Holy hell. Ya'll need to just drop this.

[SketchArtiste]

Last I checked, no one was forcing anyone to visit and read posts. Instead of anyone "dropping" anything, I've got a better suggestion.  Just skip all of my posts without reading them.  That way it won't sound like anything is going wrong.  Seriously guys...it's just a message board forum, not the SALT II treaties.  Enjoy it, talk shit, deal with it or just ignore it...

SA

[Brit_brat]

Holy hell. Ya'll need to just drop this.

Now that made me laugh!!!!

Sorry though, I just have to get in the last word, SA your seriously in the wrong profession irl unless your a lawyer ................ go to law school ............ use your argumentative powers for the good of the underdog tho cos I would hate to be on the wrong side of you!

Wrote a reply to what you had written yesterday, lost it before saving so aint about to start again but would like to ask you to think about what you wish to achieve from readers of your posts.

Brit

[Dianetiger]

    The hiring a woman from an Escort Service is a much better idea than most of the others.FYI I hired a Belly Dancer from an Entertainment Service for my husband's 40 birthday.After her performance I inquired if she would ever consider fantasy wrestling and boxing with me.This has long been his fantasy (fetish).She declined but said she would ask some of the other women if hey might be interested.As a result,we were able to arrange fantasy matches with 4 women.Mostly it involved posing in wrestling and boxing while my husband took photos.
    There was one woman who was so obnoxious we actually got into a real catfight.But that is another story.The cost for the fantasy matches was $100 per hour.If the women were accomodating and made the photos look authentic,we usually gave them a $25 tip.
    Good luck !
  Dianetiger