What do I need?

[Philippines1]

Hello all, I'm spending time in the Philippines, been here for months now and suddenly found myself shooting hotel room catfight videos with local Filipinas. I've already shot 10 full best-of-3-rounds fights, with 14 different girls. All of these exotic ladies are at least 18 years old and above, ranging from 18 up to 26. To start Round 1 of each fight, my girlfriend asks each girl "Your name/Your age/Your height/Your weight" and we make sure the girl clearly says her age then on video. These are good fights, with several of them being pretty nasty, with plenty of real action and emotion. We don't (at least thus far) allow any kind of closed-fist punching , but open-handed hitting/slapping is fine and encouraged. They really go at it, and I'm sure I can begin selling these videos in their original uncut form as well as produced into features if a buyer wishes for me to do so (inserting titles saying things like "Jessa VS Joy", "Jessa won Round 1 by making Joy submit", "Now begin Round 2...", etc. But what do I need to make sure that I'm selling/distributing these fights legally? Do I need to have each girl sign a form paper stating that they were at least 18 years old the day of that shoot, and that they hereby grant permission for me to sell/distribute their fight video? Please, I would greatly appreciate any advice you guys and gals might have.

[Brit_brat]

Sure you can have my advice, I don't suppose it will be what you want to hear though, and that is forget it!  Its a big boy's game, making videos/publishing/producing/distributing and needs a lot of capital.

I doubt very much you "suddenly" found yourself in this situation

Brit

[liverlad]

its a big market out there and you would need a good brand which,as brit said, needs a lot of money but good luck in your project

[SketchArtiste]

To start Round 1 of each fight, my girlfriend asks each girl "Your name/Your age/Your height/Your weight" and we make sure the girl clearly says her age then on video.

1.  While this may be great for "show", I hope you're not under any illusions that this in any way shape or form takes the place of legal paperwork stating the age of the competitors.  Any C- attorney could claim that the women were coerced or forced into verbalizing whatever you wished.

These are good fights, with several of them being pretty nasty, with plenty of real action and emotion. We don't (at least thus far) allow any kind of closed-fist punching , but open-handed hitting/slapping is fine and encouraged. They really go at it, ...(inserting titles saying things like "Jessa VS Joy", "Jessa won Round 1 by making Joy submit",

2.  If this is the level of your match description content, you'll need someone else to write them.  Your "nasty" isn't relevant to someone else's interpretation of "nasty" and really doesn't mean anything to the person or producer considering spending any $ on your product unless you add specific details backed up by images that confirm the veracity of your claims regarding the action content.  Is there hair pulling, face slapping (which you've covered), breast punching or grabbing, crotch squeezing and how much action is standing vs. how much occurs on the ground? When they're on the ground is there a good percentage of close body T2TC2C action or just  a bunch of scissor holds?

3. Under no circumstance pay any attention to someone offering advice that
 a) Doesn't buy or watch FvsF catfights
 b) Is not a producer or a fan of FvsF catfights
 c) Needs to schedule surgery to separate their Head from the Honeymoon it's having with their Ass.

Do I need to have each girl sign a form paper stating that they were at least 18 years old the day of that shoot, and that they hereby grant permission for me to sell/distribute their fight video?

4. I'd strongly recommend taking this question "offline" and doing some homework by emailing a number of known respected producers of FvsF.  If you don't know who most of them are...you're probably not ready to move ahead to the next step...that being said...You're not going to get anywhere selling your product without at least providing a considerable number of stills that show the type of content your matches contain.  The very very best would be to compose a 2min clip of each match that appropriates the content and advertise that on a website along with the pics. 

If you'd like, I'd be happy to share some ideas with regards to content distribution that have worked for other producers. Good Luck with your efforts!!


SA

[Philippines1]

Thanks for your advice, people. I should probably add now that I'm currently in the process of slowly going blind, which limits the ways in which I can make a living. Unfortunately I'm not rich, I don't have lots of capital. I'm not going to simply go quietly into the night, though, as BritBrat so kindly recommended. After filming what is now 30 fights averaging 30+ minutes each, I don't even consider simply giving up and staying out of this big boys' game to be a realistic option. What I'm trying to do at this moment is figure out how to attach my 30 video clip samples, each 90 seconds in length, to a message on this board so people can see what I've been filming.

Thanks for all of your advice, SA, I appreciate it. I've been making photocopies of IDs proving the age of numerous girls I've filmed, and I'll only sell a fight in which both girls have provided me IDs. I have a generic nude model release form, although thus far my fights don't feature full nudity, just topless action. A few girls have expressed interest in trying fully nude fights, including a pair of actual sisters I filmed in my 30th video.

This isn't my hobby, by the way. I'm not going to give up, I'm going to keep working at it.

[CrashCorrigan]

A sister vs. sister nude fight would be delicious.  My mind reels . . .

I'm sorry to hear about your encroaching blindness.  Stay strong.

[Philippines1]

Crash, you're right about the sisters. I'm glad I was finally able to get a pair of real actual sisters for my 30th shoot, but I was completed surprised by the face that they went to war in my room and really fought like enemies. I forgot to hide my room's trash bin, and during the fight one girl actually grabbed an empty water bottle from the trash and began smashing it across her sister's head, it was unexpected and looked great on video, but I'm just glad that they were both fine afterwards.

Brit, I understand you were just trying to offer me your best advice, that's cool. I'm definately in too deep now, beyond the point of no return. I can't film/edit/produce 30 full-length asian catfights and then just walk away from it.I need to sell my content, and not being able to post my sample clips here is making it very frustrating.

[SketchArtiste]

Brit, I understand you were just trying to offer me your best advice, that's cool. I'm definately in too deep now, beyond the point of no return. I can't film/edit/produce 30 full-length asian catfights and then just walk away from it.I need to sell my content, and not being able to post my sample clips here is making it very frustrating.

Seriously though...comments from people who don't watch FvsF and have no intention of buying it are simply a waste of your time (reading and replying).  You may be able to find some help from someone on this board if you have a caliber of content that warrants some sort of ROI.  Do you have pics that you can post from some of the matches that will give us an idea on the appearance of the women and the type of FvsF content they're engaged in?  Thanks!

SA

[dudgie]

Oh for god's sake lets get some reality here! Don't discourage the guy with ideas that you need loads of money to start - thats the beauty of the internet. He has a product already - he just needs to market it. I remember most of the now "big players" - they started small and grew thru the internet - if it was left to the "old school" of making and distributing videos they would not have got where they are now, beacuse that did require big cash. Why has no-one suggested getting a good webmaster to do a site - that would not cost loads of cash, just a decent initial investment.

Its the same for bands, who caught onto this ages ago - you simply dont need loads of dosh upfront anymore, just a "product". Whether its good or bad will be determined by sales/further interest, but start up costs (he has already paid for the fights) are the lowest they have ever been.

[SketchArtiste]

"Oh for god's sake lets get some reality here! Don't discourage the guy with ideas that you need loads of money to start - thats the beauty of the internet. "

Dudgie, an appropriate usage of the quote button allows us to single out the "specific" post or comment we're referencing (in the event we're not all referencing the very last post preceding ours).  Keep in mind that if you're commenting on something someone said 2 pages ago, it won't be apparent to anyone unless they've read all the posts in the thread.  This makes your last post look like it's referencing it's preceding post (mine) which mentions nothing about cash or needing "loads of money".  Just a tip.

"I will always say what I believe is right, not what I think others want to hear, I advised you to stay out of it for your own sake, nothing more and no importance to me whether you listen or not, its your life."
...
"Its a big boy's game, making videos/publishing/producing/distributing and needs a lot of capital."  That, as far as I am aware is a true statement unless the internet has changed the financial aspect.  Is anyone saying here that producing videos does not need significant cash flow? quote "Unfortunately I'm not rich, I don't have lots of capital."

The problem with this comment, besides what Dudgie points out is simply that it's contributed by someone who has never watched a FvsF film.  They've also never paid and ordered any FvsF and certainly have never shot, edited or produced any FvsF.  Again, this is shit-diotcracy in it's highest form of bright shining stupid, leaving the impression that someone who has never read a book actually has the audacity and unmitigated gall to believe they can provide counsel to someone who has never written a book.

One of the best ways to take advantage of the internet and market your videos would be to use a model that has already succeeded. I'm suggesting Ultimate Surrender's subscription service with no media delivered.  Unless you're constantly producing new content your initial costs can be fixed once you edit and separate your offerings into the appropriately sized segments. What I like about this method is that new fans can always join in and subscribe without the producer having to "reinvent the wheel".  I also like this model because it allows you to minimize piracy by retaining control of your FvsF content (unlike DVD and clips for sales).
 
Of course there will be costs associated with hosting your site and getting the initial delivery and deployment to allow John Q. Public to pay for a membership and view your content. However, since this has been done before you may be able to save a lot of time by getting the right person to handle this task.  ;-)  I don't believe it would someone who knew what they were doing any longer than 1.5- 2 months to have everything up and running assuming you have a handle on the content editing.  Good Luck and good luck with the project!


SA

[SketchArtiste]

"By the way SA you do not have the authority to control posts and I will always contribute where I feel  have something to give whether you like it or not and not even you are going to be right 100% of the time despite you believing so."

Brit

When you presume to comment on FvsF or anything else besides your little make believe world of psychotic "cyber life" you share with the multitude of trannyshackers on this board, you prove yourself to be a complete shit-diot.  With regards to FvsF, you're out of touch and out of step with everything and without the slightest benefit of information or experience.  You don't even like FvsF IRL and complain to others about persuading their wives or GFs into fighting (which I understand to a degree).  Keep in mind that I have no wish to control anyone's posts or have mine controlled by anyone.  The difference is that, unlike you, I have the power to make you look like the complete utter immature over-aged fool that you are every time you open your mouth.  Your constant barrage of insipid banal Ms. Informed "mindless blather" simply allows me to take advantage of this opportunity at my leisure.

SA

[SketchArtiste]

A completely compelling candidate for the IMM olympics... ;-)

SA

[CrashCorrigan]

Crash, you're right about the sisters. I'm glad I was finally able to get a pair of real actual sisters for my 30th shoot, but I was completed surprised by the face that they went to war in my room and really fought like enemies. I forgot to hide my room's trash bin, and during the fight one girl actually grabbed an empty water bottle from the trash and began smashing it across her sister's head, it was unexpected and looked great on video, but I'm just glad that they were both fine afterwards.

This sounds better and better.  A fight -- especially a nude fight -- between babes who are sisters to each other, is always hotter than matching a pair of sisters against another pair of sisters.  I want to buy this one!

[Philippines1]

Hi Crash, sorry if somewhere I said that this particular sisters fight was totally nude, because they kept their bottoms on the whole time. I started them in sexy little t-backs and skirts with tube tops and of course no bras to begin round 1, then in a rare choice I actually had them keep their little tube tops on to begin round 2 (but without the skirts, of course, just the little t-backs). This was because I loved how they were ripping at each others' tube tops in the first round in their efforts to try and gain control and position. The tops kept getting yanked up and down so I told them to instead of (normally) starting round 2 topless, to instead keept those tiny tops on but to rip and yank at them even more. I'm glad I made that decision, because it worked well, it made the fight even more interesting. I told them to not worry at all about accidentally ripping/tearing the attire, but to just go completely nuts on each other and I was rewarded by the sisters even using the soon-yanked-off tops as weapons to strike across each others' faces and bodies. I thought it worked quite well, and I'm gonna continue to encourage girls to really go after each others' bits of clothing without any worry about damaging the tops, skirts, etc. When Brazzy fought Jenny in her next fight, I had them keep their bikini tops on to start round 2 but they both unhooked the tops to make things even more interesting. They still had the straps on but both tops were completely unhooked and basically just waiting to be ripped off. I can't wait to try that again, it seems to work out very well, really adds something extra to an already good fight. But indeed, the girls have always worn bottoms of some sort, although I make sure it's always sexy stuff. The girls have expressed interest (including sisters Brazzy and Carla) in trying fully nude fights, so let's all keep our fingers crossed that I can get that done..

[SketchArtiste]

I know this may seem a little "low rent" but are you aware that you can posts different pics of your matches on Yahoo groups for free and save yourself some initial costs of getting your product advertised on the net?  It's pretty quick and very simple to do.

SA