[jaybee]

I've debated with myself wither or not I wanted to be the one responsible for starting potentially the biggest debate ever but fuck  it you only  live once lol. I joined this site for the sole purpose of commenting on these two fights for I feel these are two of the best "real" catfights produced within the last 10 years.   Now the question is which fight do I feel was the best... IMO I have to give it to Pandora vs killer sex. Now I'm not taking anything away from suitefights or the girls involved at all so no I'm not a "hater" or a catzreview "fanboy" I'm strictly basing my opinion on the quality of the fights IMO. Since these are two of the hottest topics in the catfight world right now I just wanted to get people's opinion on which fight they prefer and why. I'll give my reasons on why I chose the fight I chose latter sorry for the errors in grammar but I'm on a tiny phone so forgive me lol.
  Also I'm aware there's a poll section but I'm not looking for a vote on which is better I'm interested in hearing people's opinions on why they feel a certain way about the fights in question. Let the games begin

[Willie Slick]

Good topic jaybee......ill start by saying both fights are classics in their own way.....for me Suitefights won this one although that does NOT imply that the CATZR fight was not outstanding for its own merits....why i picked Suitefights was for the toughness of the multiple boob attacks and the fact the ladies were allowed to fight and settle it without a bunch of off screen direction which i found to be somewhat off putting.......my guess is this thread is going to go on for many many pages......so let the games begin.....!

[jaybee]

Thanks for the reply waslick. I agree the off camera direction was off putting and in my eyes was the only flaw in the     Pandora vs KS fight. Now as far as breast attacks go I cannot give the suitfight match the edge simply because a woman was not picked up off the ground... by her nipples... and thrown across the room.How can you vote against that?! Lol

[shgalac]

hope that in the future we'd have much more crotch attacks, both in quantity, but also in quality, in the sense of "game changers" and "game enders",... ECNWC still controls that space of crotch attacks.

[Willie Slick]

hope that in the future we'd have much more crotch attacks, both in quantity, but also in quality, in the sense of "game changers" and "game enders",... ECNWC still controls that space of crotch attacks.

Well.....I think those wedgie moves were about as painful as a pussy grab could ever be.....especially in Jemma vs Jesse......there is one exchange in that fight where Jemma is pulling really hard on Jesses gstring and you can see that little shred of material just cutting into her pussy in a way I have never seen.....im talking mean.....so im just not sure what more a determined girl could do in order to discourage her opponent from continuing the fight.......but then again......id enjoy seeing it.....whatever it may be......

[kaneda927]

Quick answer: Suitefights gets the edge....but the other was amazing too. Thanks btw, this thread got me to buy the Pandora Keller Sex match.

I think if you look at this and judge by spots (like WWE or something), yes, the "nipple throw" was one of the greatest things to ever happen! But the charm of Suitefights IMO is that the ladies don't have the same sense of refinement, and it makes it more compelling, emotional, and intimate. The stage, lighting, and camera work have an "up close and personal" feel, and the feeling that it's 2 strippers/models/etc caught up in something they aren't trained for...the flaws make for the art and intensity. It's like the director went to a strip club or ordered escorts, had them talk shit, and invited them for an impromptu and weird situation for money. Then desperation and adrenaline causes that x-factor leading to a mental back and forth of how far each fighter should go to survive. Even when a model had to decline a match, it just shows the reality of the situation. Suitefights mimics truth in the art , a real fan, who understands practicality, but knows how to direct an underground, grindhouse, evoking a feeling that it's shameful but it's not...an almost punk rock aestethic. Also, the lead up to the fight, becoming a sponser, watching the buzz...it added to the special effect, like the sales model that has worked for the film business in recent times with social media. Hell, I'm deathly shy on boards and social media, yet find myself compelled to comment based on the whole experience. I actually sponsored instead of waiting, and since I don't talk about this with anyone in my personal life, it's like fight club in the secretive and cool aspect. Powerful for something that can be just seen as a fucked up way to get off. Suitefights is becoming the the Tarantino of this genre...that's a bold statement from me. So yeah, perceived value totally gives that match the edge..it has a little bit of everything, and the aura surrounding it has caused this much discussion. The PvsK match, I had to find out about from this thread which is created solely because of BvsC.

The PvsK match is amazing in its own way, but why it doesn't beat BvsC: it's almost too polished and distant with two professionals, being on those mats like high school wrestling, talk of championship matches,with farther camera work, females who seem to know exactly what they're doing, and (understandably) very off putting off-camera scoldings when I would rather see things play out. This is just based on the impression of tone and total package, but still, it was brilliant and exceptional.  Either way, thanks to both companies, keep up the amazing work!

(sorry for the lengthy post), but figured it was appropriate for the premise of the thread. I've never posted before.)

[jaybee]

Quick answer: Suitefights gets the edge....but the other was amazing too. Thanks btw, this thread got me to buy the Pandora Keller Sex match.

I think if you look at this and judge by spots (like WWE or something), yes, the "nipple throw" was one of the greatest things to ever happen! But the charm of Suitefights IMO is that the ladies don't have the same sense of refinement, and it makes it more compelling, emotional, and intimate. The stage, lighting, and camera work have an "up close and personal" feel, and the feeling that it's 2 strippers/models/etc caught up in something they aren't trained for...the flaws make for the art and intensity. It's like the director went to a strip club or ordered escorts, had them talk shit, and invited them for an impromptu and weird situation for money. Then desperation and adrenaline causes that x-factor leading to a mental back and forth of how far each fighter should go to survive. Even when a model had to decline a match, it just shows the reality of the situation. Suitefights mimics truth in the art , a real fan, who understands practicality, but knows how to direct an underground, grindhouse, evoking a feeling that it's shameful but it's not...an almost punk rock aestethic. Also, the lead up to the fight, becoming a sponser, watching the buzz...it added to the special effect, like the sales model that has worked for the film business in recent times with social media. Hell, I'm deathly shy on boards and social media, yet find myself compelled to comment based on the whole experience. I actually sponsored instead of waiting, and since I don't talk about this with anyone in my personal life, it's like fight club in the secretive and cool aspect. Powerful for something that can be just seen as a fucked up way to get off. Suitefights is becoming the the Tarantino of this genre...that's a bold statement from me. So yeah, perceived value totally gives that match the edge..it has a little bit of everything, and the aura surrounding it has caused this much discussion. The PvsK match, I had to find out about from this thread which is created solely because of BvsC.

The PvsK match is amazing in its own way, but why it doesn't beat BvsC: it's almost too polished and distant with two professionals, being on those mats like high school wrestling, talk of championship matches,with farther camera work, females who seem to know exactly what they're doing, and (understandably) very off putting off-camera scoldings when I would rather see things play out. This is just based on the impression of tone and total package, but still, it was brilliant and exceptional.  Either way, thanks to both companies, keep up the amazing work!

(sorry for the lengthy post), but figured it was appropriate for the premise of the thread. I've never posted before.)

Excellent post. I like how you made the professional wrestling connection because I understand the similarities. Brook/Charlie to me seemed more like a traditional wrestling match. It was slower paced but yet still intense which is not a complaint. The Pandora/KS match was a "spot" wrestling match (which I prefer)    just kinda like go, go, go, with no break in action. To put it another way it's like suitfights is 80's WWE and catzreview  is like ECW. Again I'm not knocking either production I'll continue to support both equally (especially if they keep coming with material like this) I just prefer a more frantic pace.

[kaneda927]

Ironically for me, ECW was a big enabler for me with this whole scene...I was the perfect young teen age and local to ECW, and what was great was the variety: slow and methodical matches, has-been WWE stars looking for redemption (and desperate money), and/or fast paced assaults with the people who wrestled around the world (Britain, Japan, etc) and brought different aesthetics, with a true fan (huckster, lol) who knew how to always push the envelope and bring out great things in the underdog wrestlers. I remember getting caught up in the hype for Beaulah/Francine back in the day, like I did for BvsC. Threads can go nuclear in dumb ways when asked to rank things, but if anything, maybe this one can show the producers that like ECW, true fans of the art (even the shallow fluff) can have a wide range and enjoy it all differently. But fights like BvsC and PvsKS knocked it out of the park in a lasting way due to going the extra mile and bringing out that intensity I think is at the heart of all this analysis. I'll go and say that another newer company that I recently seen echoes the gimmick heavy WWE 80's era, crossbred with the ads in the back of the magazines for "adults":  it's that undergroung girlfight one, with the intensity, yet sometimes zombies and chains and "preformance art" aspects. Lmao. It's all good depending on mood! It's a fun new era for all this nonsense, haha.

[CATZREVIEW]

The PvsK match is amazing in its own way, but why it doesn't beat BvsC: it's almost too polished and distant with two professionals, being on those mats like high school wrestling, talk of championship matches,with farther camera work, females who seem to know exactly what they're doing, and (understandably) very off putting off-camera scoldings when I would rather see things play out. This is just based on the impression of tone and total package, but still, it was brilliant and exceptional.  Either way, thanks to both companies, keep up the amazing work!

(sorry for the lengthy post), but figured it was appropriate for the premise of the thread. I've never posted before.)

I am sorry for butting in on what you dedicated fans are discussing, but I do have 1 or 2 things I would like to clear up: none of my ladies are “professionals”; I have never employed professional fighters. I’ve always said that “anyone can beat anyone on any given day.” I have a catfight coming up this summer which proves exactly that point. Please remember that this was Pandora’s 1st ever catfight. If I had known that KS was going to pick her opponent up by her tits then I would have told KS “no” on safety grounds alone. There is no special recipe for a catfight. Either the girls know how to fight or they don’t.

I do agree with you to a certain extent about Kat’s overenthusiastic comments during the fight. She was very new to refereeing.

Sorry for the interruption kaneda927 just wanted to make that point about my ladies not being “professional fighters.”

Thank you very much to you all for your support and your kind comments. This thread just goes to show just how many dedicated catfight fans there are out there, albeit with differing views on what makes a great catfight. 

[harpoon]

Both are good fights but Pandora/KSex gets my vote because it closes out with a submission & the hot loser lying there beat at the end. 

I enjoy scripted action as well as real so the fake submission the sponsors got with Brook/Charlie would probably work for me.

[jaybee]

The PvsK match is amazing in its own way, but why it doesn't beat BvsC: it's almost too polished and distant with two professionals, being on those mats like high school wrestling, talk of championship matches,with farther camera work, females who seem to know exactly what they're doing, and (understandably) very off putting off-camera scoldings when I would rather see things play out. This is just based on the impression of tone and total package, but still, it was brilliant and exceptional.  Either way, thanks to both companies, keep up the amazing work!

(sorry for the lengthy post), but figured it was appropriate for the premise of the thread. I've never posted before.)

I am sorry for butting in on what you dedicated fans are discussing, but I do have 1 or 2 things I would like to clear up: none of my ladies are “professionals”; I have never employed professional fighters. I’ve always said that “anyone can beat anyone on any given day.” I have a catfight coming up this summer which proves exactly that point. Please remember that this was Pandora’s 1st ever catfight. If I had known that KS was going to pick her opponent up by her tits then I would have told KS “no” on safety grounds alone. There is no special recipe for a catfight. Either the girls know how to fight or they don’t.

I do agree with you to a certain extent about Kat’s overenthusiastic comments during the fight. She was very new to refereeing.

Sorry for the interruption kaneda927 just wanted to make that point about my ladies not being “professional fighters.”

Thank you very much to you all for your support and your kind comments. This thread just goes to show just how many dedicated catfight fans there are out there, albeit with differing views on what makes a great catfight. 

I hope after reading this reply you're not thinking of being more strict on the rules Granted that "boob bomb" was harsh BUT it is a catfight. Personally I believe the only rules should be no hitting in the face, choking,  or eye gouging everything else is fair game. If a competitor cannot continue or is overwhelmed then she must submit. The girls should know the consequences of participating in a real catfight so making the "boob bomb" a no, no would be handicapping the fighters (particularly KS) by taking a move out of there arsenal. After all the best way to not get slammed by the tits... is to avoid being slammed by the tits. Lol.  BTW I LOVED THIS MATCH

[jaybee]

One more thing. I think it was unfair to Skylar having Pandora fight KS first because personally from what I've seen having gotten her feet wet and now being fully aware of what CATZREVIEW is about unleashed a monster and now fighting without restraint I feel Pandora may be unstoppable. Unfortunately Skylar was the first to feel her full power.

[CATZREVIEW]

One more thing. I think it was unfair to Skylar having Pandora fight KS first because personally from what I've seen having gotten her feet wet and now being fully aware of what CATZREVIEW is about unleashed a monster and now fighting without restraint I feel Pandora may be unstoppable. Unfortunately Skylar was the first to feel her full power.

Hi Jay,

You will be glad to know that there are very few restrictions in my catfights. My ladies can count what they can do on both hands; they hardly need one hand to count what they can’t do. :-)

As regards to the “boob bomb” I merely meant that from a health and safety point of view, one woman picking another up by her tits does not sound a very good idea. Having seen it in practice…..

You will have noticed that during the fight between Pandora & KS, Skyler was sitting and watching. Skyler is very confident in her own ability and so was not fazed by taking on Pandora. In fact she’s quite looking forward to taking on KS or G - Star and any others who may come along. 

Glad that you as well as others love this catfight. I very much appreciated your positive feedback on this and the other thread. :-)

[jaybee]

Both are good fights but Pandora/KSex gets my vote because it closes out with a submission & the hot loser lying there beat at the end. 

I enjoy scripted action as well as real so the fake submission the sponsors got with Brook/Charlie would probably work for me.

THANK YOU! Finally I have somebody on my side. Now if we could just convince these other guys... We also seem to be in the minority about scripted fights.  C'mon people get with the program.   

[kaneda927]

Don't worry catzreview, I paid for the fight and loved it!! I know the PvsKS match wasn't a showcase of professionals, BvsC just didn't seem as polished and had some awkwardness that made things feel compelling. As scary as it might've been for liabilities, the same applies to the now infamous boob lift, which I've never really seen to that extent, and will def never forget. This is like one of those Batman vs Superman discussions in the playground, where depending on the writer and the mood of the reader, one resonates a little differently. My chiming in kinda piggybacked on discussions about the BvsC vid and why I think it's been resonating with fans lately. Your stuffs been solid and consistent for such a long time, that this new strain of producer had a lot of eyes on it with you as a measuring stick for quality. But just like any titanic mach up, this thread led me to seek out PvsKS which I didn't realize was released. That was through no fault of your own with promotions or anything, I always get around to them at some point. But the "rub" of the discussion got me to buy yours that much faster. This thread represents a recent lightning rod of awesome IMO, no worries! And Jaybee, Any critical analysis on this thread is only happening from me because PvsKS was that off the chart spectacular and worthy of one of these either/or discussions which I usually stay out of. I said before, I never tend to comment on things like this or forums at all, but your thread premise and good eye for excellence was the catalyst. Thanks, you have great taste! And catzreview, keep up the excellent work!