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Title: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pingpong on December 13, 2021, 07:42:58 PM
Just found out on Twitter than Vivian Fox has cancelled her match with Aubrey Fox. Some what disappointed that these two pornstars won't battle it out for all of us to enjoy. Now to try and fine a suitable(another pornstar)opponnent for Audrey. Just a couple of ladies that would match-up real well.
Isis Love
Kendra Lust
Esperanza Gomez
Lolly Ink
London Keyes
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: cfbr on December 13, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
Bummer. I guess it was too good to be true. I hope there can be a replacement.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on December 14, 2021, 06:45:43 PM
It sounds like it was a scheduling conflict so I'm hoping they can reschedule this match to a later date.

At least we got another fight in February... Angel vs Emma Ray.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: deity17313 on December 15, 2021, 07:32:57 AM
Knew someone might pussy out by making excuses lmao. I just hope steve foresaw the potential bs and had a backup plan
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on December 17, 2021, 07:41:42 PM
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Brooke of ECNWC fame has agreed to step up as a last-minute replacement for Vivian.

Rules in Effect:

NO

Strikes to the head or face

Biting

Raking of nails

Choking

Joint locks

Body scissors

Kicking or stomping a downed opponent
https://suitefights.gumroad.com/l/vjULX

YES!

Can't wait to see ECNWC Brooke fight again. Still hoping to see a rematch with Nikki down the line, as that fight was going great until the injury.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: jaybee on December 18, 2021, 02:21:17 PM
I really, REALLY hope I'm dead wrong but I don't think Aubrey has a chance. Brooke is a wild woman and I don't think Aubrey knows what she's in for :-
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on December 20, 2021, 06:18:06 AM
Aubrey Black with a message for Brooke: https://twitter.com/SuiteFights/status/1472771237986258944

I find it hard to believe that Brooke would be hassling about nails, but Aubrey sounds confident as fuck and this could be a real grudge match. Let's hope all goes as planned and the fight happens tomorrow.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pingpong on December 20, 2021, 07:18:54 AM
I love Aubrey's attitude! Confident, but not arrogant so to speak. I think she will take Brooke down. She does have some sharp nails.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: cfbr on December 22, 2021, 07:30:39 PM
I will be honest and say this matchup is less intriguing to me, and no slaps to the face is always a turndown, but this video did make me more excited. She sounds nasty and mean, and very confident, considering her size disadvantage - or so it seems to me from watching them.

I won't sponsor, but once the fights is out, if the comments are positive, I am definetely going to buy. Let it be the start of more porn stars into the business. It's a market with huge potential.

Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on December 23, 2021, 08:10:51 AM
Just got the email that says the fight took place and it went 4 rounds (5 minute per round) so it sounds like it was a competitive match. For some reason, Steve said both girls had their hair braided because of them insisted on it (if I had to guess, it probably was Aubrey) and the fight was 90% standing. I wonder if that's a Brooke thing, because the same thing happened in the Nikki fight where neither one would go down. Anyways, for such a short notice, I'm still excited to see the final product and will keep supporting SF.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on December 26, 2021, 12:12:03 AM
She sounds nasty and mean, and very confident, considering her size disadvantage - or so it seems to me from watching them.
There was only an inch in height difference, but Aubrey is thick so there was absolutely no size disadvantage. I'll have a full review tomorrow, but what a surprise this turned out to be. I'll just say this for now... Aubrey had the hardest pre-match slap I've ever seen. She almost knocked Brooke's head off.

PS- I absolutely loved the contrast between the two. Big time porn star with enhanced body vs old school cat fighter with milf look and natural body. A very unique catfight that will be hard to ever replicate.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: angrmgmt on December 26, 2021, 03:50:41 PM
NO! Porn stars do not make good catfighters!

Porn stars are very protective of their bodies (understandably), and catfights with them are often more scaled back.
Porn stars impose conditions that limit the catfight, such as requiring braided hair or limited slapping.
We all want more women to participate in catfighting - but getting more porn stars involved isn't the solution.

Let it be the start of more porn stars into the business...
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: angrmgmt on December 26, 2021, 05:58:31 PM
If "Real Housewives" sponsored a catfight, this might be it. And that's fine with me - I'd love to see more MILF vs MILF catfights.

While the braided hair takes some bite out of this catfight, there's still plenty to enjoy: lot's of thong-pulling and breast-grabbing (even a little crotch-grabbing).  Most of the match is standing, but there is plenty of body-to-body contact as the two large MILFs jostle and grab each other. Both of these sexy women have ample chests, so all this jostling around provides some hot chest-to-chest and boob-to-boob action.

I didn't think of this fight as disappointing...rather, it was an entertaining, albeit different, MILF vs MILF battle.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on December 26, 2021, 07:55:56 PM
Agree with angrmgmt.

Here are my takes:

Braided hair wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, especially since Brooke looked cute with her braided pigtails. But it was obvious to me who requested the braids as Aubrey had her hair braided and pulled back like an MMA fighter (which I absolutely hate and is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of ladies MMA). How are you gonna call out someone about chickening out over nails and then end up braiding your hair lol

I was surprised at Aubrey's strength and power, especially early on in the fight. She obviously has some MMA training and can tussle, but definitely needs more catfight training. Some of these new girls need to watch some SF videos before they fight. Watch Sarah or Alexa Brooke match and see how to go on the attack.

If you love watching a natural MILF fighting with passion, Brooke is the absolute best. She's aged like fine wine and can tell she loves to catfight (in her interview she mentioned how much she loves to school girl pin her opponent). It was good to finally see her get on the ground in an SF match, even if it was for a short period of time. I really hope we get to see her fight against an experienced opponent like Alexa down the road with hair pulling and face slapping.

I've always like the SF rules with rounds, but I think this fight would've been better if they just fought without stoppage and breaks. The longer the match went, it was obvious the girls were running out of gas and were spent by the end. I don't think people understand how exhausting a fight like this can be, especially when most of the match they fought standing.

An extra plus for me was the lingerie ripping throughout the fight. So many great wedgie shots and pulling of the panties and garter belt. And if you're a stockings lover, in the BTS video, you get watch Brooke putting on and adjusting her stockings before the fight.

Overall, it was worth the money in my opinion. It might not be for those that want an all our brawl with face shots or hair pulling, but this was a unique match nonetheless. Had there been face slapping and hair pulling, I doubt we would've gotten 4 full rounds so it was a give and take in that department.

Finally, here's a screenshot from the match and a great wedgie shot:
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: cfbr on December 26, 2021, 10:37:05 PM
I said I wasn't going to sponsor, because the extras and earlier release don't do enough to me to justify a higher price, but yesterday I thought to myself "hell, its Christmans. Might as well get me this myself".

Unfortunately, I got to say I regretted it. A HUGE downgrade from last 2 outstanding fights. No faceslaps is always a redflag to me, but there are good fights without it. But now at least I know what my "last line" is. This braided hair BS...a fight without hairpulling is not a catfight to me. Period. The fight looked like a friendly play between two friends who didn't want to hurt each other. Too much ineffective holding down. No aggressiveness. Honestly, I would rather see a wresting match between two skilled hot chicks than this.

If I could go back in time, not only I wouldn't sponsor it, but I would, quite frankly, just skip it.

Hoping for a better show next time. Chikara and Alexa, SF style, should be a blast. So I hope Steven try to arrange it.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on December 26, 2021, 11:39:34 PM
The fight looked like a friendly play between two friends who didn't want to hurt each other. Too much ineffective holding down. No aggressiveness. Honestly, I would rather see a wresting match between two skilled hot chicks than this.
I have to disagree on this. The aggressiveness in this fight (especially in round 1) was on par with the Vika-Carmilla fight, but it wasn't as good because its harder to get someone to the ground or make them submit without proper hair pulling. I also didn't get the impression that Brooke liked Aubrey very much (so I don't agree with the friendly play comments), especially after she go smacked before the start. I don't want to spoil anything, but at one point one girl had the other to the ground and if there was face slaps allowed, it would've been a great submission. BUT, with no face slapping or hair pulling you can't really do much outside of what we saw. Yes there was ineffective holding, but that was more towards the latter part when they were obviously gassed.

I don't know if you got Steve's previous email, but since the fight wasn't up to his usual SF standards, he offered to give people refunds or keep the sponsorship and get the next fight between Vika and Alexa for free. I thought it was very gracious of him to do that, but maybe I'm in the minority here since I thought this was a unique match and really liked it.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on December 27, 2021, 01:16:04 AM
It's a good match and we should be bought.  These things aren't scripted and kudos to the last minute replacement and for pulling this off during the holidays no doubt.  Look, I know everyone isn't made of money, but just imagine if Steve didn't exist and these matches weren't being produced, support the man and enjoy some 4k action. 
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: cfbr on December 27, 2021, 01:47:43 AM
The fight looked like a friendly play between two friends who didn't want to hurt each other. Too much ineffective holding down. No aggressiveness. Honestly, I would rather see a wresting match between two skilled hot chicks than this.
I have to disagree on this. The aggressiveness in this fight (especially in round 1) was on par with the Vika-Carmilla fight, but it wasn't as good because its harder to get someone to the ground or make them submit without proper hair pulling. I also didn't get the impression that Brooke liked Aubrey very much (so I don't agree with the friendly play comments), especially after she go smacked before the start. I don't want to spoil anything, but at one point one girl had the other to the ground and if there was face slaps allowed, it would've been a great submission. BUT, with no face slapping or hair pulling you can't really do much outside of what we saw. Yes there was ineffective holding, but that was more towards the latter part when they were obviously gassed.

I don't know if you got Steve's previous email, but since the fight wasn't up to his usual SF standards, he offered to give people refunds or keep the sponsorship and get the next fight between Vika and Alexa for free. I thought it was very gracious of him to do that, but maybe I'm in the minority here since I thought this was a unique match and really liked it.

I think I might have missed this email. I sponsored after the release, so that might be the reason. As for the offer, it doesn't surprise me because steven is a straight up guy, but, honestly, I wouldn't like a refund. Good or bad product, it's part of the deal with anything. As long as the rules were set and followed, that's ok.

A partial discount - for free I think it's too much - on the next sponsor, sure. But not because I thought the current release underperformed - as I said, it is part of the business- but based on sponsoring 2 and buying 1 of the last 3 releases. I already mentioned it here how I think discounts for cumulative sponsorships are a better deal than extra content, at least for me.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pinner45 on December 27, 2021, 02:50:03 AM
It was neither sweet nor fight. Steve kind of warned us. He is a class guy.  He will allow sponsors to get the Vika/Alexa match at  no cost if you left your money in for this one.
I honestly think that this was the first utter and complete dud and he is making up for it. How many other producers would admit this and offer the next fight free?  NONE
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: rin753 on December 27, 2021, 02:58:20 AM

Steve is really good at pricing his fights once they have been filmed.  That's why I always buy them, but never in advance.  If this was not A+ material he will make the adjustment.  He has excellent judgement on this.

Just remember, probably the greatest 4 minutes in catfight history is Lexi vs Sara Brooke and that one cost all of $9!

Rich
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: rin753 on January 09, 2022, 03:43:52 AM

I just bought it.

I have only watched Round 1.

I thought it was terrific.  I love even matches and this was even and the women were fighting. 

Can't ask for more than that!

Rich

Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pingpong on January 09, 2022, 05:13:48 AM
Apperently, Aubrey may not catfight in the future, She tweeted her hair was damaged and put a dent in her career. To me it's a downer as I think she can really handle her own vs. someone evenly matched. I respect her decision and really hope she changes her mine. If Vivian showed uo, this could be a different situation IMO.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on January 09, 2022, 05:19:53 AM
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Also my career as a porn star is more important than scrapping it out with some dumb bitch that quit! My hair was actually completely ripped regardless of it being braided which has now affected my income and work in my regular filming. Not worth it I have a family to provide 4.

Brooke is on another level of QUITTING taking 35 minute breaks & holding up the fight start by 3 hours. The only reason I held back was because just before the fight I realized I couldn’t do anything that I’m used to doing. & I wasn’t well. BUT still did it!
Tweets from Aubrey.

Sounds like there is bad blood between the two, but I really don't understand the hair thing. She had her hair braided and still lost hair? Come on... Sarah, Lora and other girls do this all the time while filming other videos and I've never seen them crying about it affecting their income. She would've had to lose a clump of hair for it to affect a porn shoot. I do agree with her on the taking breaks part. There really shouldn't be any breaks or rounds in a match like this. Maybe you can call a time out if you submit to compose yourself, but taking a half hour break during a match is ridiculous. I also didn't know that it was Brooke who quit after not feeling well. It was a short notice fight for her so maybe she wasn't quite ready for this one and didn't have the stamina to finish. Either way, I would love to see these two fight for real because it definitely sounds like Aubrey hates Brooke. You could sense it in the slap off when she slapped her so hard, Brooke said her ear hurt afterwards.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pro wrestling roleplayer on January 09, 2022, 03:26:20 PM
Agree with angrmgmt.

Here are my takes:

Braided hair wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, especially since Brooke looked cute with her braided pigtails. But it was obvious to me who requested the braids as Aubrey had her hair braided and pulled back like an MMA fighter (which I absolutely hate and is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of ladies MMA). How are you gonna call out someone about chickening out over nails and then end up braiding your hair lol

I was surprised at Aubrey's strength and power, especially early on in the fight. She obviously has some MMA training and can tussle, but definitely needs more catfight training. Some of these new girls need to watch some SF videos before they fight. Watch Sarah or Alexa Brooke match and see how to go on the attack.

If you love watching a natural MILF fighting with passion, Brooke is the absolute best. She's aged like fine wine and can tell she loves to catfight (in her interview she mentioned how much she loves to school girl pin her opponent). It was good to finally see her get on the ground in an SF match, even if it was for a short period of time. I really hope we get to see her fight against an experienced opponent like Alexa down the road with hair pulling and face slapping.

I've always like the SF rules with rounds, but I think this fight would've been better if they just fought without stoppage and breaks. The longer the match went, it was obvious the girls were running out of gas and were spent by the end. I don't think people understand how exhausting a fight like this can be, especially when most of the match they fought standing.

An extra plus for me was the lingerie ripping throughout the fight. So many great wedgie shots and pulling of the panties and garter belt. And if you're a stockings lover, in the BTS video, you get watch Brooke putting on and adjusting her stockings before the fight.

Overall, it was worth the money in my opinion. It might not be for those that want an all our brawl with face shots or hair pulling, but this was a unique match nonetheless. Had there been face slapping and hair pulling, I doubt we would've gotten 4 full rounds so it was a give and take in that department.

Finally, here's a screenshot from the match and a great wedgie shot:

How much boob work was there?
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: angrmgmt on January 10, 2022, 04:12:08 AM
How much boob work was there?

Quite a bit. Both women have large breasts, and each will occasionally maul, squeeze and pinch the other's boobs.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on January 10, 2022, 04:27:57 AM
That was probably the best thing about this fight.

Here's a shot of Brooke going after Aubrey's tits:
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: deity17313 on January 10, 2022, 09:17:50 AM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: jaybee on January 10, 2022, 05:28:59 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
For the most part I can agree but I will say the first round was pretty exciting, and the first half of round 2.  It really dragged from that point on.

SPOILERS.....

I don't know how Aubrey is claiming to have lost hair and I can't understand why Brooke up and quit especially since she was winning and it didn't look as if she was injured in any way. Maybe that INCREDIBLE slap ruptured her eardrum?...She did complain it got her right on the ear (which it appeared it may have from my viewpoint) not to mention... again...that was almost a knockout slap from Aubrey!...WOW

Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on January 10, 2022, 07:36:34 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
For the most part I can agree but I will say the first round was pretty exciting, and the first half of round 2.  It really dragged from that point on.

SPOILERS.....

I don't know how Aubrey is claiming to have lost hair and I can't understand why Brooke up and quit especially since she was winning and it didn't look as if she was injured in any way. Maybe that INCREDIBLE slap ruptured her eardrum?...She did complain it got her right on the ear (which it appeared it may have from my viewpoint) not to mention... again...that was almost a knockout slap from Aubrey!...WOW
That hair claim is total BS. She had her fucking hair braided and pulled back like an MMA fighter. Brooke didn't even come close to pulling her hair. She's also claiming that Brooke broke off her nails. I've re-watched the fight a couple times now and I just don't see it. This seems to be a case where someone thought they were real tough and then when the actual fight happened, she couldn't do much. It was obvious Brooke was the better fighter, it's just too bad she didn't finish her off properly like she did against Jemma. That's one thing Brooke has to work on is bringing back the killer instinct she had at ECNWC.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Fightlover on January 10, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
Agree with angrmgmt.

Here are my takes:

Braided hair wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, especially since Brooke looked cute with her braided pigtails. But it was obvious to me who requested the braids as Aubrey had her hair braided and pulled back like an MMA fighter (which I absolutely hate and is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of ladies MMA). How are you gonna call out someone about chickening out over nails and then end up braiding your hair lol

I was surprised at Aubrey's strength and power, especially early on in the fight. She obviously has some MMA training and can tussle, but definitely needs more catfight training. Some of these new girls need to watch some SF videos before they fight. Watch Sarah or Alexa Brooke match and see how to go on the attack.

If you love watching a natural MILF fighting with passion, Brooke is the absolute best. She's aged like fine wine and can tell she loves to catfight (in her interview she mentioned how much she loves to school girl pin her opponent). It was good to finally see her get on the ground in an SF match, even if it was for a short period of time. I really hope we get to see her fight against an experienced opponent like Alexa down the road with hair pulling and face slapping.

I've always like the SF rules with rounds, but I think this fight would've been better if they just fought without stoppage and breaks. The longer the match went, it was obvious the girls were running out of gas and were spent by the end. I don't think people understand how exhausting a fight like this can be, especially when most of the match they fought standing.

An extra plus for me was the lingerie ripping throughout the fight. So many great wedgie shots and pulling of the panties and garter belt. And if you're a stockings lover, in the BTS video, you get watch Brooke putting on and adjusting her stockings before the fight.

Overall, it was worth the money in my opinion. It might not be for those that want an all our brawl with face shots or hair pulling, but this was a unique match nonetheless. Had there been face slapping and hair pulling, I doubt we would've gotten 4 full rounds so it was a give and take in that department.

Finally, here's a screenshot from the match and a great wedgie shot:

Lol, i like the "Backstory" more than the fight... Aubrey's been all mad on twitter and it really seems like she's pissed off with Brooke and unfortunaly with Suitefights too... Aubrey herself said she won't comeback, so there's no chance of a 2nd fight or a rematch.

I hope she change plans and fight again bcs despite the fight itself not being one of the best and obviously not even close to the last 2 she fought well and seems like she would be incredible on a normal SF fight with slaps and hairpulling allowed.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 10, 2022, 08:19:17 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice. 
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 10, 2022, 08:22:59 PM
Agree with angrmgmt.

Here are my takes:

Braided hair wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, especially since Brooke looked cute with her braided pigtails. But it was obvious to me who requested the braids as Aubrey had her hair braided and pulled back like an MMA fighter (which I absolutely hate and is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of ladies MMA). How are you gonna call out someone about chickening out over nails and then end up braiding your hair lol

I was surprised at Aubrey's strength and power, especially early on in the fight. She obviously has some MMA training and can tussle, but definitely needs more catfight training. Some of these new girls need to watch some SF videos before they fight. Watch Sarah or Alexa Brooke match and see how to go on the attack.

If you love watching a natural MILF fighting with passion, Brooke is the absolute best. She's aged like fine wine and can tell she loves to catfight (in her interview she mentioned how much she loves to school girl pin her opponent). It was good to finally see her get on the ground in an SF match, even if it was for a short period of time. I really hope we get to see her fight against an experienced opponent like Alexa down the road with hair pulling and face slapping.

I've always like the SF rules with rounds, but I think this fight would've been better if they just fought without stoppage and breaks. The longer the match went, it was obvious the girls were running out of gas and were spent by the end. I don't think people understand how exhausting a fight like this can be, especially when most of the match they fought standing.

An extra plus for me was the lingerie ripping throughout the fight. So many great wedgie shots and pulling of the panties and garter belt. And if you're a stockings lover, in the BTS video, you get watch Brooke putting on and adjusting her stockings before the fight.

Overall, it was worth the money in my opinion. It might not be for those that want an all our brawl with face shots or hair pulling, but this was a unique match nonetheless. Had there been face slapping and hair pulling, I doubt we would've gotten 4 full rounds so it was a give and take in that department.

Finally, here's a screenshot from the match and a great wedgie shot:

Lol, i like the "Backstory" more than the fight... Aubrey's been all mad on twitter and it really seems like she's pissed off with Brooke and unfortunaly with Suitefights too... Aubrey herself said she won't comeback, so there's no chance of a 2nd fight or a rematch.

I hope she change plans and fight again bcs despite the fight itself not being one of the best and obviously not even close to the last 2 she fought well and seems like she would be incredible on a normal SF fight with slaps and hairpulling allowed.

Since Aubrey didn't want slaps and hairpulling allowed it's doubtful she would come back and do that kind of fight.  It's pretty simple, some models and I think more often than not adult stars aren't going to be 100% down to fight.  No Aubrey was before this fight, but notice how quiet she was for so long after.  Because despite Aubrey having a weight advantage and training, she was just not able to do anything, it probably surprised her. 
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Fightlover on January 10, 2022, 08:25:24 PM
Agree with angrmgmt.

Here are my takes:

Braided hair wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, especially since Brooke looked cute with her braided pigtails. But it was obvious to me who requested the braids as Aubrey had her hair braided and pulled back like an MMA fighter (which I absolutely hate and is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of ladies MMA). How are you gonna call out someone about chickening out over nails and then end up braiding your hair lol

I was surprised at Aubrey's strength and power, especially early on in the fight. She obviously has some MMA training and can tussle, but definitely needs more catfight training. Some of these new girls need to watch some SF videos before they fight. Watch Sarah or Alexa Brooke match and see how to go on the attack.

If you love watching a natural MILF fighting with passion, Brooke is the absolute best. She's aged like fine wine and can tell she loves to catfight (in her interview she mentioned how much she loves to school girl pin her opponent). It was good to finally see her get on the ground in an SF match, even if it was for a short period of time. I really hope we get to see her fight against an experienced opponent like Alexa down the road with hair pulling and face slapping.

I've always like the SF rules with rounds, but I think this fight would've been better if they just fought without stoppage and breaks. The longer the match went, it was obvious the girls were running out of gas and were spent by the end. I don't think people understand how exhausting a fight like this can be, especially when most of the match they fought standing.

An extra plus for me was the lingerie ripping throughout the fight. So many great wedgie shots and pulling of the panties and garter belt. And if you're a stockings lover, in the BTS video, you get watch Brooke putting on and adjusting her stockings before the fight.

Overall, it was worth the money in my opinion. It might not be for those that want an all our brawl with face shots or hair pulling, but this was a unique match nonetheless. Had there been face slapping and hair pulling, I doubt we would've gotten 4 full rounds so it was a give and take in that department.

Finally, here's a screenshot from the match and a great wedgie shot:

Lol, i like the "Backstory" more than the fight... Aubrey's been all mad on twitter and it really seems like she's pissed off with Brooke and unfortunaly with Suitefights too... Aubrey herself said she won't comeback, so there's no chance of a 2nd fight or a rematch.

I hope she change plans and fight again bcs despite the fight itself not being one of the best and obviously not even close to the last 2 she fought well and seems like she would be incredible on a normal SF fight with slaps and hairpulling allowed.

Since Aubrey didn't want slaps and hairpulling allowed it's doubtful she would come back and do that kind of fight.  It's pretty simple, some models and I think more often than not adult stars aren't going to be 100% down to fight.  No Aubrey was before this fight, but notice how quiet she was for so long after.  Because despite Aubrey having a weight advantage and training, she was just not able to do anything, it probably surprised her.
Aubrey herself said it was all Brooke's demands... The only thing she asked for was to keep her nails.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 10, 2022, 08:32:41 PM
Agree with angrmgmt.

Here are my takes:

Braided hair wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, especially since Brooke looked cute with her braided pigtails. But it was obvious to me who requested the braids as Aubrey had her hair braided and pulled back like an MMA fighter (which I absolutely hate and is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of ladies MMA). How are you gonna call out someone about chickening out over nails and then end up braiding your hair lol

I was surprised at Aubrey's strength and power, especially early on in the fight. She obviously has some MMA training and can tussle, but definitely needs more catfight training. Some of these new girls need to watch some SF videos before they fight. Watch Sarah or Alexa Brooke match and see how to go on the attack.

If you love watching a natural MILF fighting with passion, Brooke is the absolute best. She's aged like fine wine and can tell she loves to catfight (in her interview she mentioned how much she loves to school girl pin her opponent). It was good to finally see her get on the ground in an SF match, even if it was for a short period of time. I really hope we get to see her fight against an experienced opponent like Alexa down the road with hair pulling and face slapping.

I've always like the SF rules with rounds, but I think this fight would've been better if they just fought without stoppage and breaks. The longer the match went, it was obvious the girls were running out of gas and were spent by the end. I don't think people understand how exhausting a fight like this can be, especially when most of the match they fought standing.

An extra plus for me was the lingerie ripping throughout the fight. So many great wedgie shots and pulling of the panties and garter belt. And if you're a stockings lover, in the BTS video, you get watch Brooke putting on and adjusting her stockings before the fight.

Overall, it was worth the money in my opinion. It might not be for those that want an all our brawl with face shots or hair pulling, but this was a unique match nonetheless. Had there been face slapping and hair pulling, I doubt we would've gotten 4 full rounds so it was a give and take in that department.

Finally, here's a screenshot from the match and a great wedgie shot:

Lol, i like the "Backstory" more than the fight... Aubrey's been all mad on twitter and it really seems like she's pissed off with Brooke and unfortunaly with Suitefights too... Aubrey herself said she won't comeback, so there's no chance of a 2nd fight or a rematch.

I hope she change plans and fight again bcs despite the fight itself not being one of the best and obviously not even close to the last 2 she fought well and seems like she would be incredible on a normal SF fight with slaps and hairpulling allowed.

Since Aubrey didn't want slaps and hairpulling allowed it's doubtful she would come back and do that kind of fight.  It's pretty simple, some models and I think more often than not adult stars aren't going to be 100% down to fight.  No Aubrey was before this fight, but notice how quiet she was for so long after.  Because despite Aubrey having a weight advantage and training, she was just not able to do anything, it probably surprised her.
Aubrey herself said it was all Brooke's demands... The only thing she asked for was to keep her nails.

And that is not true, why do you believe Aubrey lol?  First off I  know it was Aubrey's idea to have the hair braided.  But, if you don't believe me for some reason, take a step back.  Who is complaining about hairpulling and losing hair?  Which girl has been in filmed fights with chunks of hair pulled out on the floor? 

As for nails, Brooke just asked that she not have nails or not scratch. But, if scratching was allowed then full on punching be allowed.  Aubrey wasn't supposed to have nails, but she did, no big deal, they just agreed no scratching. 

Why would you believe anything Aubrey says at this point?
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on January 10, 2022, 08:49:57 PM
Aubrey herself said it was all Brooke's demands... The only thing she asked for was to keep her nails.
That's what she said, but I don't buy it one bit. I mean she talked about having MMA training (claiming she couldn't do what she wanted in this fight) and then no face slapping? That makes zero sense. She also claims Brooke asked for the rule changes after the slap off. I don't know for sure how Steve ended up making the final rules, but Brooke has fought before with real catfight rules and even in this fight she had her braids down so Aubrey could have grabbed on to them and pulled her down if she really wanted to. This is another reason why I prefer fights between real cat fighters and not porn stars. Give me Brooke vs Sarah or Alexa and not someone that will complain about losing hair/nails when she really didn't.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: deity17313 on January 11, 2022, 06:47:55 AM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice.
Apart from her fight in ecnwc, which she was alot younger and different, I've yet to see the evidence on what you claim. Glad she was able to fill in for Vivian but apart from that, she quit both fights in her Suite fights against Nikki and now Aubrey. Those are facts. But I'm sure Steve will figure out a way to make his product better so it's a learning experience.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Fightlover on January 11, 2022, 01:20:13 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice.
Apart from her fight in ecnwc, which she was alot younger and different, I've yet to see the evidence on what you claim. Glad she was able to fill in for Vivian but apart from that, she quit both fights in her Suite fights against Nikki and now Aubrey. Those are facts. But I'm sure Steve will figure out a way to make his product better so it's a learning experience.
Lol, she quitted both fights... I don't really know where the could be called "being nice"
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pinner45 on January 11, 2022, 01:28:47 PM
No matter what you believe, it was a dud. Steve has taken care of it with his generous offer. Class.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 11, 2022, 04:26:38 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice.
Apart from her fight in ecnwc, which she was alot younger and different, I've yet to see the evidence on what you claim. Glad she was able to fill in for Vivian but apart from that, she quit both fights in her Suite fights against Nikki and now Aubrey. Those are facts. But I'm sure Steve will figure out a way to make his product better so it's a learning experience.

Well, you are in fact incorrect.

Now, this isn't a criticism of Steve at all, the Nikki fight should have been stopped.

First of all I know first hand she didn't quit either fight.  Please read this carefully and think.

Against Nikki Brooke was in control the whole time.  You need maybe shift your thinking away from catfighting and more to grappling and control.  Brooke was in control of Nikki the whole time, holding her, even dragging around by the hair.  Now, face hits were not allowed, that's when Nikki panicked when she realized that no matter what she did Brooke was still going to be on top of her like Brooke was, always above her, holding her and Nikki couldn't see.  Nikki knew if it went to the ground she would be in big trouble.  So, she panicked and started wildly slapping at anything around her.  Brooke never panicked, just calm cool in control.  Now, if Brooke got mad or out of control she would and could have floored Nikki in retaliation, but Brooke is able to take direction.

Ok, then look at Nikki's eyes and breathing after the break, she is in a different state than Brooke despite the nose bleed. 

Anyway, off camera Nikki was shocked at how strong Brooke was and told her "I'd hate to see you really mad".  I mean you can ask Nikki or Steve, Brooke didn't quit.  Steve made the right decision, but Brooke would have continued to fight no problem

Now, Aubrey, first round, Brooke easily pins her and dominates, Aubrey can't do anything.  At this point Brooke realizes to make this a good long video she can't just get her to the ground over and over, which she easily could and she can't punch her over and over even though she had the opportunity.  There was no quit, every time Steve called break Brooke was in control.

What do you want to see, Brooke just beat up girls or what?  That wouldn't make a great video for most customers. 
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 11, 2022, 04:29:44 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice.
Apart from her fight in ecnwc, which she was alot younger and different, I've yet to see the evidence on what you claim. Glad she was able to fill in for Vivian but apart from that, she quit both fights in her Suite fights against Nikki and now Aubrey. Those are facts. But I'm sure Steve will figure out a way to make his product better so it's a learning experience.
Lol, she quitted both fights... I don't really know where the could be called "being nice"
See my response above.  Look, Brooke is always in a superior position in these fights, if you haven't seen many real fights maybe you don't realize it.  She has fought men before, can easily pin and get to the ground people larger than her.  She is very strong.  I doubt Aubrey will admit it, but Nikki can attest to it, so can Gemma, lord knows where she is.

Btw that's what makes Nikki so cool, she was excited and happy to find someone strong to have a match with, like in a good sport way, not making stuff up afterwards.  I think for some reason Aubrey is a little bit mad about something, not sure what, but took her two weeks or so to let it brew inside her.  Brooke's not even mad, just calls it ridiculous.  She is all business. 
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 11, 2022, 04:32:01 PM
No matter what you believe, it was a dud. Steve has taken care of it with his generous offer. Class.
True, I agree.

But, have to give some credence to the truth and respect to Brooke for fighting on short notice.  Saying she quit just isn't something that should be said or thought.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: deity17313 on January 11, 2022, 05:15:26 PM
No matter what you believe, it was a dud. Steve has taken care of it with his generous offer. Class.
True, I agree.

But, have to give some credence to the truth and respect to Brooke for fighting on short notice.  Saying she quit just isn't something that should be said or thought.
That's what i saw and that's what im going to think. It's a free board, you don't speak for everyone on the board, nor do have the right to suppress what people would like to think or say here good.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 11, 2022, 06:02:43 PM
No matter what you believe, it was a dud. Steve has taken care of it with his generous offer. Class.
True, I agree.

But, have to give some credence to the truth and respect to Brooke for fighting on short notice.  Saying she quit just isn't something that should be said or thought.
That's what i saw and that's what im going to think. It's a free board, you don't speak for everyone on the board, nor do have the right to suppress what people would like to think or say here good.
That's true, but to think that she quit when she "won" the match and didn't quit is something you are allowed to think I guess, but you don't want to know the truth or more information than what is just on the video?  You'd prefer not knowing more information than what is on the video, that certainly is your right I suppose.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on January 11, 2022, 06:07:01 PM
Now, Aubrey, first round, Brooke easily pins her and dominates, Aubrey can't do anything.  At this point Brooke realizes to make this a good long video she can't just get her to the ground over and over, which she easily could and she can't punch her over and over even though she had the opportunity.  There was no quit, every time Steve called break Brooke was in control.

What do you want to see, Brooke just beat up girls or what?  That wouldn't make a great video for most customers.
Spot on, but I actually would've liked to see her hand Aubrey her ass for talking smack. I would have liked to see Brooke do what Lexi did to Victoria and show her who's boss. That match only lasted 5 minutes but Lexi proved her point.

I'm hoping we see Brooke vs Alexa match so we can get an all out brawl. Alexa only fights one way and that's to go all out.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Gitter73 on January 11, 2022, 09:54:16 PM
I have no background knowledge and I was not there. I just know that as a consumer, it was a dud. I don't feel cheated at all. It happens, this time to Steve. Not his fault. Looking forward to his next two offerings. This one was a dud. IN MY OPINION. I hope that it s ok to have an opinion.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 11, 2022, 10:00:57 PM
I have no background knowledge and I was not there. I just know that as a consumer, it was a dud. I don't feel cheated at all. It happens, this time to Steve. Not his fault. Looking forward to his next two offerings. This one was a dud. IN MY OPINION. I hope that it s ok to have an opinion.
Opinions are fine, please don't get riled up at me, I'm not against sharing opinions.  I have the same opinion it was not as good as some other fights, but as you and I understand, not every fight is perfect otherwise it would have to be scripted, and we don't want that.. 

I'm just not ok with saying Brooke quit because she didn't and I know that Aubrey asked for the hair braiding, obviously, for one it's the truth, and for another she's the only one complaining about hair being pulled out.  Brooke didn't care, doesn't care, won't ever care really about hairpulling or hair being yanked out.    Saying someone quit is more an accusation than an opinion, so I'm speaking up to clear the record so to speak. 
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pingpong on January 11, 2022, 11:08:57 PM
This thread is approaching almost 4,000 hits as I am sure many of us has viewed it multiple times. This has garnished the most Suitefight topic/catfight to my recollection. I purchased this showdown and have viewed it numerous times, and I agree with some of you, it was not the best Suitefight production. I want to toss my hat into this discussion as there seems some back and forth opinions on the matter.

First off, I am a big fan of Aubery Black and kudos to her as the first pornstar to engage in Suitefights(Lora Cross has also done porn}. Aubrey first opponent was Vivian Fox, who cancelled, but Aubrey stuck to her commitment to fight Brooke. Now, I do not what rules were agreed upon in the Aubrey vs Vivian match, but perhaps once Aubrey found out her opponent was a experience catfighter therenwas some modification or compermise as to what was allowed or not. Aubrey stated in a tweet she was not permmited to do what she wanted to do and we can only speculate what additional action(s) she wanted to attempt. Many of us have heard Aubrey's responses to what happened, but not Brooke's side of the story. Dis she really quit? Did she hold back? Were the breaks too long? Did she delay the start time. This may be some big issues such as nails, hairputling etc.

As for real Suitefight matches I personally preferred non-expierence woman clash vs the Sarah Brookes, Alexa, Brooke et al. Woman like Eden, Jacky Fay, Taylor Carmilla and Evon to me are more exciting to see. I also hope that Aubrey(and other pornstars) consider Suitefights as another venue to their profession. Also it is very important for the women to agree upon the rules before hand so the bitching after is non existing.
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Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: harpoon on January 11, 2022, 11:11:18 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice.
Apart from her fight in ecnwc, which she was alot younger and different, I've yet to see the evidence on what you claim. Glad she was able to fill in for Vivian but apart from that, she quit both fights in her Suite fights against Nikki and now Aubrey. Those are facts. But I'm sure Steve will figure out a way to make his product better so it's a learning experience.

Well, you are in fact incorrect.

Now, this isn't a criticism of Steve at all, the Nikki fight should have been stopped.

First of all I know first hand she didn't quit either fight.  Please read this carefully and think.

Against Nikki Brooke was in control the whole time.  You need maybe shift your thinking away from catfighting and more to grappling and control.  Brooke was in control of Nikki the whole time, holding her, even dragging around by the hair.  Now, face hits were not allowed, that's when Nikki panicked when she realized that no matter what she did Brooke was still going to be on top of her like Brooke was, always above her, holding her and Nikki couldn't see.  Nikki knew if it went to the ground she would be in big trouble.  So, she panicked and started wildly slapping at anything around her.  Brooke never panicked, just calm cool in control.  Now, if Brooke got mad or out of control she would and could have floored Nikki in retaliation, but Brooke is able to take direction.

Ok, then look at Nikki's eyes and breathing after the break, she is in a different state than Brooke despite the nose bleed. 

Anyway, off camera Nikki was shocked at how strong Brooke was and told her "I'd hate to see you really mad".  I mean you can ask Nikki or Steve, Brooke didn't quit.  Steve made the right decision, but Brooke would have continued to fight no problem

Now, Aubrey, first round, Brooke easily pins her and dominates, Aubrey can't do anything.  At this point Brooke realizes to make this a good long video she can't just get her to the ground over and over, which she easily could and she can't punch her over and over even though she had the opportunity.  There was no quit, every time Steve called break Brooke was in control.

What do you want to see, Brooke just beat up girls or what?  That wouldn't make a great video for most customers.

A great video is one where both fighters are trying their best to just beat the other girl up. Ain't that what a real catfight is supposed to be about?

And if one is too much for the other, then fans who buy the video get to see her proving it. Ain't that what we buy these videos for?

Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 11, 2022, 11:54:05 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice.
Apart from her fight in ecnwc, which she was alot younger and different, I've yet to see the evidence on what you claim. Glad she was able to fill in for Vivian but apart from that, she quit both fights in her Suite fights against Nikki and now Aubrey. Those are facts. But I'm sure Steve will figure out a way to make his product better so it's a learning experience.

Well, you are in fact incorrect.

Now, this isn't a criticism of Steve at all, the Nikki fight should have been stopped.

First of all I know first hand she didn't quit either fight.  Please read this carefully and think.

Against Nikki Brooke was in control the whole time.  You need maybe shift your thinking away from catfighting and more to grappling and control.  Brooke was in control of Nikki the whole time, holding her, even dragging around by the hair.  Now, face hits were not allowed, that's when Nikki panicked when she realized that no matter what she did Brooke was still going to be on top of her like Brooke was, always above her, holding her and Nikki couldn't see.  Nikki knew if it went to the ground she would be in big trouble.  So, she panicked and started wildly slapping at anything around her.  Brooke never panicked, just calm cool in control.  Now, if Brooke got mad or out of control she would and could have floored Nikki in retaliation, but Brooke is able to take direction.

Ok, then look at Nikki's eyes and breathing after the break, she is in a different state than Brooke despite the nose bleed. 

Anyway, off camera Nikki was shocked at how strong Brooke was and told her "I'd hate to see you really mad".  I mean you can ask Nikki or Steve, Brooke didn't quit.  Steve made the right decision, but Brooke would have continued to fight no problem

Now, Aubrey, first round, Brooke easily pins her and dominates, Aubrey can't do anything.  At this point Brooke realizes to make this a good long video she can't just get her to the ground over and over, which she easily could and she can't punch her over and over even though she had the opportunity.  There was no quit, every time Steve called break Brooke was in control.

What do you want to see, Brooke just beat up girls or what?  That wouldn't make a great video for most customers.

A great video is one where both fighters are trying their best to just beat the other girl up. Ain't that what a real catfight is supposed to be about?

And if one is too much for the other, then fans who buy the video get to see her proving it. Ain't that what we buy these videos for?

I would agree with you there, but there's a market out there with wide ranging tastes and requests bordering on scripted, notice how many comments there are about "I hope they attack this or that" and requests for "how much boob work is there, how much hairpulling".  Most girls aren't going to do any below the belt attacks in a fight or wedgies or boob grabs lol, hairpulling maybe.  It's hard to produce what everyone wants.  I mean Brooke fighting for real real, is kind of a scary thing and I doubt would please the most fans really.   Who knows?
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on January 12, 2022, 07:15:39 AM
First off, I am a big fan of Aubery Black and kudos to her as the first pornstar to engage in Suitefights(Lora Cross has also done porn}. Aubrey first opponent was Vivian Fox, who cancelled, but Aubrey stuck to her commitment to fight Brooke. Now, I do not what rules were agreed upon in the Aubrey vs Vivian match, but perhaps once Aubrey found out her opponent was a experience catfighter therenwas some modification or compermise as to what was allowed or not. Aubrey stated in a tweet she was not permmited to do what she wanted to do and we can only speculate what additional action(s) she wanted to attempt. Many of us have heard Aubrey's responses to what happened, but not Brooke's side of the story. Dis she really quit? Did she hold back? Were the breaks too long? Did she delay the start time. This may be some big issues such as nails, hairputling etc.
Taylor (the most recent match up for Angel) better known as Jackie Hoff and Carmen Valentina are pretty big porn stars as well. I do agree with you that the Vivian match up would've been a better fight for Aubrey. But I still don't understand what she was not permitted to do that would've helped her. Did she want chokes and locks to be allowed? Did she want an MMA fight? If that's the case then I'm not sure it would've gone much better for her since Brooke being able to punch and use slaps to the head might have knocked her our. SF style catfight has always been about hair pulling and face slaps, you can't really hbave a proper fight without that. That's what makes SF unique, otherwise it would be DWW, IFW or FightingDolls. They have some hair pulling but no head shots and it's basically a rough wrestling match not catfighting.

I would also like to hear Brooke's side of the story as well or maybe Steve can chime in and give us his opinion on the matter. In the email to sponsors he made it sound like there was quite a few issues he had during this fight, including with production and lack of time. So maybe it was just one of those days, even though I thought the camera work and lighting were excellent and the interviews superb as always. Personally, I still liked the fight but I know it wasn't for everyone and can accept that. Say what you will about the drama behind the scenes, props to the girls for actually going at it for 4 rounds/20 minutes (mostly standing), which is not an easy task.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pinner45 on January 12, 2022, 03:43:04 PM
Goodluck. I am not at all riled up against you. No issue at all.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: harpoon on January 12, 2022, 04:07:04 PM
This fight was boring in the sense that it felt like apart from the initial slaps, they were just going through the motions instead of catfighting to win the fight, imho. Still bought it via sponsorship but this was the 2nd time Brookes quit in her fights. If she doesn't have the heart to win it through and through then she shouldn't take a spot in the Suitefights videos. Hope the next catfight between Emma and Angel goes till there's a clear winner. Still the camera work was good as usual Steve. :)
I'll give more details later in the week, but I can't hold my back any longer.  I doubt you are in the majority of opinions when watching these fights.  Just in case there are tons of other people who think this way, just a tidbit of info. She won both fights and was holding back so she wouldn't beat up the other girls and make it a 5 minute video.  You need to understand that Brooke is much tougher and has fought in more real fights than these girls.  Trust me that she isn't quitting, she is just playing nice.
Apart from her fight in ecnwc, which she was alot younger and different, I've yet to see the evidence on what you claim. Glad she was able to fill in for Vivian but apart from that, she quit both fights in her Suite fights against Nikki and now Aubrey. Those are facts. But I'm sure Steve will figure out a way to make his product better so it's a learning experience.

Well, you are in fact incorrect.

Now, this isn't a criticism of Steve at all, the Nikki fight should have been stopped.

First of all I know first hand she didn't quit either fight.  Please read this carefully and think.

Against Nikki Brooke was in control the whole time.  You need maybe shift your thinking away from catfighting and more to grappling and control.  Brooke was in control of Nikki the whole time, holding her, even dragging around by the hair.  Now, face hits were not allowed, that's when Nikki panicked when she realized that no matter what she did Brooke was still going to be on top of her like Brooke was, always above her, holding her and Nikki couldn't see.  Nikki knew if it went to the ground she would be in big trouble.  So, she panicked and started wildly slapping at anything around her.  Brooke never panicked, just calm cool in control.  Now, if Brooke got mad or out of control she would and could have floored Nikki in retaliation, but Brooke is able to take direction.

Ok, then look at Nikki's eyes and breathing after the break, she is in a different state than Brooke despite the nose bleed. 

Anyway, off camera Nikki was shocked at how strong Brooke was and told her "I'd hate to see you really mad".  I mean you can ask Nikki or Steve, Brooke didn't quit.  Steve made the right decision, but Brooke would have continued to fight no problem

Now, Aubrey, first round, Brooke easily pins her and dominates, Aubrey can't do anything.  At this point Brooke realizes to make this a good long video she can't just get her to the ground over and over, which she easily could and she can't punch her over and over even though she had the opportunity.  There was no quit, every time Steve called break Brooke was in control.

What do you want to see, Brooke just beat up girls or what?  That wouldn't make a great video for most customers.

A great video is one where both fighters are trying their best to just beat the other girl up. Ain't that what a real catfight is supposed to be about?

And if one is too much for the other, then fans who buy the video get to see her proving it. Ain't that what we buy these videos for?

I would agree with you there, but there's a market out there with wide ranging tastes and requests bordering on scripted, notice how many comments there are about "I hope they attack this or that" and requests for "how much boob work is there, how much hairpulling". Most girls aren't going to do any below the belt attacks in a fight or wedgies or boob grabs lol, hairpulling maybe.  It's hard to produce what everyone wants.  I mean Brooke fighting for real real, is kind of a scary thing and I doubt would please the most fans really.   Who knows?

This is true of course. I guess the producers have to encourage girls to use tactics they think their fans want to see. Personally, I love seeing submissions and decisive winners, by whatever tactics. so for me, I think timed rounds are a bad idea in a catfight. Just tell the girls that if they need a break they have to submit, then restart after they recover. That way there would be fewer off camera pull outs and more decisive outcomes.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: Goodluck on January 12, 2022, 05:28:38 PM
This thread is approaching almost 4,000 hits as I am sure many of us has viewed it multiple times. This has garnished the most Suitefight topic/catfight to my recollection. I purchased this showdown and have viewed it numerous times, and I agree with some of you, it was not the best Suitefight production. I want to toss my hat into this discussion as there seems some back and forth opinions on the matter.

First off, I am a big fan of Aubery Black and kudos to her as the first pornstar to engage in Suitefights(Lora Cross has also done porn}. Aubrey first opponent was Vivian Fox, who cancelled, but Aubrey stuck to her commitment to fight Brooke. Now, I do not what rules were agreed upon in the Aubrey vs Vivian match, but perhaps once Aubrey found out her opponent was a experience catfighter therenwas some modification or compermise as to what was allowed or not. Aubrey stated in a tweet she was not permmited to do what she wanted to do and we can only speculate what additional action(s) she wanted to attempt. Many of us have heard Aubrey's responses to what happened, but not Brooke's side of the story. Dis she really quit? Did she hold back? Were the breaks too long? Did she delay the start time. This may be some big issues such as nails, hairputling etc.

As for real Suitefight matches I personally preferred non-expierence woman clash vs the Sarah Brookes, Alexa, Brooke et al. Woman like Eden, Jacky Fay, Taylor Carmilla and Evon to me are more exciting to see. I also hope that Aubrey(and other pornstars) consider Suitefights as another venue to their profession. Also it is very important for the women to agree upon the rules before hand so the bitching after is non existing.
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Here's Brooke's side since only certain people are allowed to comment on Twitter, Brooke's not really a twitter person but she did comment after the match "it's pretty quiet" meaning Aubrey isn't talking anymore.

It's a nice move by Aubrey to say she wasn't allowed to do what she wanted to do. 
Think about that, did she mean "I wish I was allowed to punch and wrestle and kick and whatever while Brooke would just submit".  Because if hairpulling messed up her career for a few weeks, what did she want to be allowed that Brooke would also be allowed to do to her that wouldn't interfere with her career if just a small tiny bit of hairpulling did that?

Brooke would easily no holds barred fight her, but no way Aubrey would go for that.  Aubrey did get a little nervous at the end and tried to front choke Brooke, but Brooke didn't care even though that was against the rules.  Guys, do you know how much Brooke follows the rules precisely doing these things?  Remember what I said, she is always calm, cool, methodical. 

The start time was delayed by Aubrey because of the surprise hair braiding request.  Has Brooke ever had her hair braided?  Has she ever complained about anything? 

There is only one person bitching, even without me telling you what happened from Brooke's side of things, it's pretty easy to see which fighter is trying to tell a story. 
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: deity17313 on January 12, 2022, 06:11:07 PM
I have no background knowledge and I was not there. I just know that as a consumer, it was a dud. I don't feel cheated at all. It happens, this time to Steve. Not his fault. Looking forward to his next two offerings. This one was a dud. IN MY OPINION. I hope that it s ok to have an opinion.
Facts, and i agree it was a dud but im sure Steve will learn from it to make his future vids better than before.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: deity17313 on January 13, 2022, 11:57:15 AM
I have no background knowledge and I was not there. I just know that as a consumer, it was a dud. I don't feel cheated at all. It happens, this time to Steve. Not his fault. Looking forward to his next two offerings. This one was a dud. IN MY OPINION. I hope that it s ok to have an opinion.
Facts, and i agree it was a dud but im sure Steve will learn from it to make his future vids better than before.
I'd still say that this video was better than a majority of catfight content though imho. Just that suitefights is held in a higher regard based on his track record.
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: pingpong on February 21, 2022, 02:49:25 AM
If possible, hope this match-up could be re-scheduled. I am assuming both Vivian and Aubrey agreed to meet, but unfortunately Vivian postponed the event. With the age difference, It would be interesting how it would turn out.with what ever rules were agreed upon. Maybe if not Aubrey, a Vivian vs Evonn??
Title: Re: Vivian Fox vs Aubrey Black - Suitefights
Post by: dww4life on March 06, 2022, 02:06:35 AM
If possible, hope this match-up could be re-scheduled. I am assuming both Vivian and Aubrey agreed to meet, but unfortunately Vivian postponed the event. With the age difference, It would be interesting how it would turn out.with what ever rules were agreed upon. Maybe if not Aubrey, a Vivian vs Evonn??
Vivian is from Dallas and I believe that's where SF shoots their matches so if she wanted to take part in another fight it wouldn't be an issue to reschedule. I've seen people ask her on social media about doing a catfight, but she never responds. I think this ship has sailed.

I have no background knowledge and I was not there. I just know that as a consumer, it was a dud. I don't feel cheated at all. It happens, this time to Steve. Not his fault. Looking forward to his next two offerings. This one was a dud. IN MY OPINION. I hope that it s ok to have an opinion.
Facts, and i agree it was a dud but im sure Steve will learn from it to make his future vids better than before.
For being a "dud" this match is still the #1 top selling video on his clips4sale store. ;)