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Title: catfights in literature
Post by: luffy316 on March 20, 2011, 08:24:52 PM
what published books have women wrestling/catfights in them? i know they're out there, and that there aren't really any that center of catfighting, but anyone know particulars?

only a handful come to mind for me, and they're mostly just references

In the series Dresden Files, there's Dresden's gothy teenage pupil and his centuries-old lover (who was bodyswapped by a villain into a young Asian woman). When the lover enters his house unexpeced, the pupil doesn't recognize her, panics, and magically blinds her. She uses that to blindside her and pummel her into the ground until Dresden comes home and finds the scene.
Lover: "You hit me!"
Pupil: "You startled me! What was I supposed to do!?"
Lover: "I just mean you hit like a girl. Weren't you taught combat training?"
Pupil: "I've been busy. And besides, you were the one down on her ass."
Lover: "Of course. You've got 40 pounds on me."
Pupil: "Oh, that's it!"
ends there, though.


the other is in the Discworld book "Thud!"  There is a vampire and a werewolf on the city guard, both shapeshifters who don't keep their clothes while they change. they both go after a criminal in these underground tunnels on their own, traveling through mud before changing back to humans. they run into eachother nude, the werewolf ready to throw down when the vampire stops her.
"This is all well and good, but do you realize what's missing here? An audience. We're naked and hip-deep in mud! I'm telling you, we would make a bloody fortune."
of course she just explains why she's there and they get along with it


any other examples?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: harpua13 on March 20, 2011, 09:04:32 PM
I just found one in Peter V. Brett's excellent "The Desert Spear", part of the "Warded Man" series, late in the book there's a savage catfight between two of the main female principles including a few crotch attacks.
Now I know why I enjoy his fiction so much, we have the same mindset.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: RedEnforcer on March 20, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
John Norman's Gor series....just look it up..
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: karl butters on March 21, 2011, 03:04:12 AM
several of Ken Follett's have had girly tussels, such as Hornet Flight.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Mr. Cavalier on March 21, 2011, 05:44:50 AM
The Gor series is a great suggestion, Ian Fleming's James Bond classic From Russia with Love has the famous gypsy girls fight.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: ripher_apart on March 21, 2011, 02:09:16 PM
What John Norman Gor books have the fights.. I had one of them, but found a used book store that has several of the John Norman Gor books..... I would like the titles I should buy....
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: krispin on March 21, 2011, 02:32:24 PM
Very interesting this thread, also if it's difficult to me read english books.

In italian versions of spy-stories I've found many catfights in Donald Hamilton (Matt Helm) work. What I love better in his books is the heroine is not always the stronger one, like it happens nearly always in movies or tv-movies.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Rocko23 on March 21, 2011, 07:36:16 PM
To Karl Butters could you list the other Ken Follet novels that feature femfights? Also how good is the fight in Hornet Flight?

A Tale of 2 Cities has a femfight in it. As does A Midsummer Nights Dream. Robert Jordans Conan books also have some catfights.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: RedEnforcer on March 21, 2011, 08:04:54 PM
Give me a little bit to remember/look 'em up.  It's been a while since I read them.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: cynara on March 21, 2011, 10:40:12 PM
The classic "Tom Jones" has a wonderful brawl.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: rxbinz on March 21, 2011, 11:48:35 PM
the Book Forever Amber had a great cat fight set in England around Victorian times I think.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: krispin on March 22, 2011, 09:57:56 AM
Hi Simon! I hope you can understand my poor english.

Somewhere I have a book of Peter O'Donnel in which Modesty Blaise figths vs Mrs Fothergy. It's a long fight and very well written. They are all two skilled (too much for my tastes, I love better catfights) but Mrs Fothergy is far heavier and stronger. That's fine for me. I love when the good girl is clearly the weaker one.

About Matt Helm, I can remember some book with catfghts and some other with potential situation of catfights. Donald Hamilton is very accurate in psysycall descriptions and what I like better his good girls rather are pretty but slim, bad girls are always curvier and strong. I should have to look for some italian version of theese books, somewhere in my house.

In yellow and spies books we can find, sometimes, women wrestling and fighting. What is more difficult to find is good girls weaker than her foes, but I'm interested only in that.

Do you think it's possible to find some book on line?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: JT Edson on March 22, 2011, 11:08:29 AM
This is such a great thread. Thanks to all who entered info here. I hope more will contribute as I love reading catfight stories and would love to find more specific information.

Can anyone tell me about the Tom Jones fight for instance? Seems like I remember reading it a looooooong time ago and very vagely remember the catfight story, but I just can't seem to remember the details.

Thanks,

JT
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: luffy316 on March 22, 2011, 11:26:35 AM
don't remember the author, but do remember hearing there was a guy who wrote a string of Western novels. Each book supposedly had a catfight in it somewhere, hinting the author had a hidden catfight fetish. It was basically confirmed when the hero later meets a man with a collection of paintings, all of them renditions of the catfights that had taken place in the previous books
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: cynara on March 24, 2011, 09:19:20 AM
The Tom Jones fight occurred outdoors, near a church (as I recall).  I remember the preamble:  it dealt with the fact that although females can be fierce fighters, they seldom attack each other's breasts.  In the book, the fight consumed two or three pages;  in the 1965 movie, a fight occurs in the presence of a group of women, but the camera keeps shifting away from the combatants. 
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: krispin on March 24, 2011, 09:50:40 AM
Reading this thread I had the idea to check a bit my old library in which, somewhere, there are interesting books for us.
One I've found is "The house of te harrow" (A.E.W. Mason). I have the italian version, of course, and it's perfect for my tastes.
Ann, the heroine, is tall, slim and frail. She has to fight vs a stronger bad girl and she is easily dominated and humiliated.
What I love is also the physicall and psycological description.
There is a guy who have this fight on line. Here is the link:

http://jebsadventurebound.homestead.com/files/vintage_2.html
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: cynara on March 24, 2011, 11:48:11 PM
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the wonderful fight in "From Russia With Love," an Ian Fleming novel (which was published years before the movie).  And now I have!
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: krispin on March 25, 2011, 08:34:15 AM
"Dine with the devil" (Janet Gregory Vermandel 1970)

Towards the end there is a great fight between Jonina and Monica.
Jonina is the heroine of the book. She is a production secretary of a fashion studio.
Jonina is tall, slim short blond-ash hair, very nice. She could be a model but she likes better her work.
Monica is a photographer. Long dark hair, very robust, bossy and rough.


SPOILER ALERT









It is'nt much of a fight. It's a mismatch. The bad woman is to strong for the slender lighter heroine. Now we know Monica is a murderess. When she says to Jonina she killed the model Liane, the heroine knows the tough bad woman now wants kill her too. Jonina is terrified. She tries to escape running towards the door but she crashes into the far heavier body of Monica and she is slammed back to the floor, against the wall. Than Monica easily knocks out the heroine. After that Jonina awakes and she is naked in the bathroom. Monica is carrying the slim heroine and wants drown her in the bathtube. Jonina fights again with all her strenght, but she is far weaker than the sturdy bad girl. Finally, when Monica is killing Jonina with her bare hands, the hero jumps in the bathroom and save the heroine.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: krispin on March 26, 2011, 09:23:09 AM
Hi Gwalb!

It was kind of you to share your stories with us. I like your style with bad girls aways dominating. For my tastes it should be better if good girls were smaller and not so big titted, but we can't have anything from life... May be one day you'll do a story with a thin small titted superheroine dominated. May be...

Yes, I remember the movie Gervaise. The fight was fantastic. I never saw the novel.

About Matt Helm, may be my memory is wrong, but some catfight there was, I'm sure. When I find a bit of time I check my library.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: luffy316 on March 26, 2011, 10:14:35 PM
needs more goddess catfights in the world... fairly religious myself, but that's one thing the old gods had that newer religions don't
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: krispin on March 27, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
I checked a bit my library and I've found one book of Donald Hamilton in which there is a catfight. Below I post something.

What attracts me in Matt Helm's stories is the atmosphere of competition I can find nearly always between women, also when does not lead to a fight. There is rather physical and psychological comparison and the good girl several times is pretty but not so beautiful as the bad girl is. We have many slim pretty, rather small titted good girls, somehow intimidated by curvy gorgoeus big titted bad girls. In a book there is a good girl saying: "When I'am in front of her I feel myself so skinny, so inadeguate...". That's arousing for me nearly as a catfight.


THE REVENGERS (Donald Hamilton 1982)

Eleanor Brand is a journalist, Serena Lorca is the bad girl. They have a fight near the end on a boat, while Matt is fighting with men. Before the fight Matt instructs Eleanor: "You are smaller and weaker, but if you fight with mentality and hearth you can beat her".

SPOILER ALERT















The fight goes on with ups and downs for Eleonor, but the good girl proudly wins at the end, helped by a heels of a shoe.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: krispin on April 01, 2011, 03:15:35 PM
When I have a bit of time I'm still checking my library.
I'm sure i can find many books in which there are femfights, but I don't know if someone is really interested in it...
Anyway: that's one of the best.


"MINE" in Italy "MARY TERROR" (Robert McCammon 1990)

It's a well written story of a psychopathic woman who kidnaps a baby of another younger woman. The bad woman is big, huge: "was a big woman with huge broad-shouldered six feet high". At the end there is a long well written fight. It starts with both of the women with guns and there is also the baby, but goes on bare hands.

SPOILER ALERT




The fight is very long. The bad woman is far the stronger but she is injured. The good weaker but brave girl fights with a lot of heart for her son, she is nearly defeated, but after more than one page, good girl wins.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: JT Edson on April 04, 2011, 12:34:21 AM
Thanks for sharing guys.

JT
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Mr. Cavalier on May 03, 2011, 08:38:14 AM
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the wonderful fight in "From Russia With Love," an Ian Fleming novel (which was published years before the movie).  And now I have!

I mentioned it in the 4th reply  ;)

On the Matt Helm comments, there's a GREAT movie version with the fight between good girl Sharon Tate and bad girl the delicous Nancy Kwan

The book I just remembered, Xaviera Hollander's sexy book "The Happy Hooker" has a whole chapter on how she catered to catfight fans...
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: harpua13 on May 04, 2011, 01:01:06 AM
When I have a bit of time I'm still checking my library.
I'm sure i can find many books in which there are femfights, but I don't know if someone is really interested in it...
Anyway: that's one of the best.


"MINE" in Italy "MARY TERROR" (Robert McCammon 1990)

It's a well written story of a psychopathic woman who kidnaps a baby of another younger woman. The bad woman is big, huge: "was a big woman with huge broad-shouldered six feet high". At the end there is a long well written fight. It starts with both of the women with guns and there is also the baby, but goes on bare hands.

SPOILER ALERT




The fight is very long. The bad woman is far the stronger but she is injured. The good weaker but brave girl fights with a lot of heart for her son, she is nearly defeated, but after more than one page, good girl wins.

I'm a big fan of McCammon's work. somewhere between King on the top end and Koontz on the bottom end. Swan Song is a fantastic book.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Sandman13 on May 25, 2011, 05:49:25 AM
There were several spy series that had great f/f fights - The Lady From L.U.S.T. and The Coxeman - at least I think those were the titles. And there was one story where a midget spy defeats a tall sexy brunette by yanking her pubes. It was funny and hot at the same time.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Immortaljoe on May 25, 2011, 06:38:34 AM
There were several spy series that had great f/f fights - The Lady From L.U.S.T. and The Coxeman - at least I think those were the titles. And there was one story where a midget spy defeats a tall sexy brunette by yanking her pubes. It was funny and hot at the same time.


Lol.  Elaborate more on these fights.  I enjoy those wacky 60-70's spy/grindhouse type stories.  That last one sounded pretty interesting lol.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Warlock641 on May 25, 2011, 12:29:51 PM
You might want to try Modesty Blaise, has a nice fight scene in it, heroine versus the bad evil woman! 8)
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Sandman13 on May 26, 2011, 02:15:13 AM
To ImmortalJoe: The name of the spy book was "The Sexy Egg Love-In" by Jay Martin. Yeah, it's pretty old - late 1960s. In the book the hero travels to the mid-east and of course makes love to several hot women. One of them, Lucrezia Zipp, is a tall, stacked brunette. A little person, Popsy, is really a spy and Lucrezia is working for the Mafia. Lu is caught by the heroes in bed, naked, but she tries to fight back against Popsy. To her surprise, the tiny woman grabs a big handful of pubes and begins to twist. Within second the tough Mafia girl is crying and begging to be be let go. Popsy makes her say "Aunty" several times before releasing her hold.
And there's another chick fight in the same book! (That Jay Martin, whoever he was, sure knew how to write a good catfight!) A blonde, Trouble, tangles with a woman named Upya, who has very large breasts. Trouble gets her on her back and "twists and pulls Upya's most prized posessions like a baker kneads dough." Again, the losing woman cries and begs for release.
Jay Martin wrote four or five others books, some of which have catfights, but "The Sexy Egg Love-In" was his best, IMO.
Title: Re: Catfights in Literature - JT Edson
Post by: Mindcastle on May 01, 2013, 04:54:10 AM
Here's am excerpt from J.T. Edson's QUIET TOWN

Quiet Town

They all saw the three women walk by the window and thought nothing of it until Maggie Bollinger
shoved the batwings and came in. Roxie and Eeney followed her inside, moving one on each side of her.
The dancehall girls looked in surprise for the women of the town never entered saloons. Bristling like
alley cats the six painted girls moved together then came forward.
“Where’s Bearcat Annie?” Maggie asked.
In her office Bearcat Annie heard the voice and went to the door. She saw the three townswomen and
knew why they had come. She stepped out, eyes going to Eeney first, then Maggie and Roxie. So the
women aimed to take her, not Dusty Fog. She did not mind, it would give her a chance to get her
revenge on that German girl. “I’m here, “she answered and stepped forward.
In her eagerness to tangle with Eeney, Bearcat Annie forgot to lock the safe or her office door. She went
across the room and halted in front of Eeney, then looked at Maggie Bollinger. None of them spoke for
an instant. They looked like cats as they waited for something to happen. Behind them the gunmen
pushed back their chairs and moved under the balcony to give the women plenty of room. The man at
the window, seeing himself cut off and knowing it would be unsafe to be there moved round to his
friends.
“I’m arresting you,” Maggie said, eyes on the big blonde.
“You are, are you?” Bearcat Annie spit the words out. “Why you fat cow, I’ll teach you to come in here.
Throw ‘em out, girls!”
Roxie Delue swung a hard little fist as a red headed dancehall girl lunged at her, feeling it smash into the
girl’s nose. Then Roxie felt as if the top of her head was being torn off as another girl lunged in. The
centre of the room was a mass of screaming, fighting women.
Eeney and Bearcat Annie hurled at each other. Eeney’s fists were clenched and stabbed out hard but
Bearcat Annie was impervious to pain. Her clawing hands dug deep into Eeney’s hair and tore at it. A
scream of pain tore from Eeney’s lips; she forgot her fist-fighting training. Taking a double handful of the
other woman’s piled up blonde hair she drove her fingers in until they scratched Bearcat Annie’s scalp,
then pulled. Round they swung, clear of the others and staggered to one side screaming in rage.
The gunmen yelled their delight and approval, watching the fight which was to become a classic of the
old West. The battle in Bearcat Annie’s saloon was to be a legend and talked of the length and breadth
of the West, from Texas to California. Miners, cowhands, soldiers and every other denizen of the open
range would tell of it.
Roxie and Maggie were swamped over by screaming, clawing, kicking girls. One thing saved them. In the
wild mêlée there was no chance of sorting out who was who. It became a case of tearing the nearest
hair, kicking, punching, clawing or slapping wildly around, striking the nearest person. Roxie felt her
frock rip as she tore the skirt from a screaming girl. It was a wild tangle of flailing arms and legs,
screaming mouths, interspersed with ripping noises as clothes were torn. Then Maggie was on her feet,
swinging round with a couple of clawing girls hanging on to her. Her dress went, ripped off as the girls
staggered back. She swung a wild blow which knocked a third girl backwards into the bar. The girl
smashed into the polished wood and stood for an instant, her eyes glazed, then she stumbled forward
into the wild tangle once more.
Bearcat Annie and Eeney reeled across the room, smashing into the bar and staggering off again. They
stopped tearing at hair and swung wild slaps and punches which rocked each other. Bearcat’s clawing
hands gripped the neck of Eeney’s frock and ripped at it, swinging Eeney and as the gingham tore sent
her on to a table. The big blonde hurled after Eeney, landing on top of her but the table’s legs gave way
and dumped them on the ground once more where they rolled and thrashed in a wild tangle of flailing
arms and waving legs. Across the floor they rolled first one, then the other getting on top. They hit the
bandstand and still clinging to each other’s hair got first to their knees, then to their feet. Eeney tried to
push the other girl backwards; they hit the bandstand and Bearcat Annie was thrust on to it. She fell
backwards and brought Eeney down with her. Eeney pushed the blonde backwards, and Annie landed
on a stool, breaking the guitar which lay on it. She braced herself and lunged forward, her lowered head
ramming into Eeney. Back they went, crashing into the piano. Eeney’s fingers closed on Annie’s head,
dragging it down; they strained against each other, gasping and squealing. The piano started to move
backwards as their weight came down on it. Smashing the flimsy rail around the side of the bandstand
the piano went over, crashing to the floor with a hideous discordant jangle of the keys. Eeney and
Bearcat Annie went with the piano; they crashed on to it and rolled over it, landing on the floor again. It
was a brutal, savage fight with no holds barred. Bearcat Annie was well versed in this style of fighting; in
her life she had been compelled to defend herself in other fights like this. Their frocks were gone by the
time they got to their feet; both were naked to the waist but neither took any notice of it.
Coming to their feet again they staggered apart, gasping for breath. For an instant they stood like that,
then hurled at each other once more. Eeney struck out with wild fists now, feeling them strike home,
then Annie lashed out back. Their fists landed home hard; Annie felt blood running from her nose, her
right eye puffing up, Eeney, blood trickling from the corner of her mouth, her left eye starting to
discolor, closed again, hands clawing out. Round and round they swung, lost their balance and hit the
floor once more.
Up on the balcony Dusty Fog led his men forward and down the stairs. They held their guns but the
gunmen did not see them. Every one of these gunmen was completely absorbed in watching the sight of
the battling women; they could pay no attention to anything else. Dusty wondered if he could take the
men but there was the danger that the fighting women might get in his way. He must wait until there
was no danger. By his side Mark Counter watched Eeney and Bearcat Annie as they rolled over and
fought; he had to hold himself from shouting to Eeney to use her fist-fighting skill instead of trying to
match the big blonde in her own style of brawling.
The wild tangle of women broke up. Roxie clung to and locked one arm around the neck of a woman.
She rolled right over the other woman and fought with her, not realizing it was Maggie Bollinger she was
tangling with. It was Maggie who recovered first. She yelled at Roxie and the wild light died in the girl’s
eyes. They got to their feet; other women were still fighting with each other. Maggie went forward,
scooped up a pair of them and crashed their heads together, dropping them again. They lay limp and
then the other women were up and the wild tangle joined once more. Roxie rocked under the impact of
a wild, fist-swinging attack, her own fists lashing back.
Maggie staggered into the bar, a girl rushing at her. She ducked and caught the girl by the legs, heaving
and straightening. The girl went over the bar out of sight and Maggie hurled herself at the three
remaining girls who were ganging up on Roxie.
Bearcat Annie and Eeney fought their way back to the bar. Annie locked her arms round the other
woman’s bare waist, squeezing hard. Eeney gasped in pain as she was crushed, her fists pounding on the
blonde’s face. There was enough steam behind the blows to make Bearcat Annie scream and tighten her
hold. Then Eeney dug her fingers deep into the tangle of blonde hair and pulled with all her strength.
Annie howled like a train going into a tunnel. She swung Eeney round and lifted, throwing her on to the
bar top. Eeney’s feet came up into the blonde’s face and pushed her hard, then Eeney fell over the bar
and landed on the dancehall girl. The girl pushed Eeney over and got to her feet to attack her. It was a
mistake. Bearcat Annie caught up a chair and seeing a head come up ran back and brought it smashing
down again, Eeney forced herself up; the big blonde was leaning on the bar, gasping in pain and
exhaustion. Eeney caught the woman’s hair, jerked her head up and slammed it down on to the bar.
Annie was dazed by the blow but her own hands laced into Eeney’s tangled hair. She braced her foot
against the bar and pulled. Eeney was forced to go over the bar, she felt as if the very scalp was being
torn from her head. She was dragged over and on to the floor, hooking her leg behind Bearcat Annie’s
and bringing her down.
It was even worse now, Bearcat Annie fought with savage rage, her weight counting against Eeney. She
threw a leg over the German girl, holding her down by sheer weight, then her hands gripped Eeney’s
hair and tried to smash the head on to the floor. Eeney braced her neck muscles trying to hold back the
shattering force of the blows, but her head hit the floor hard. Her head was spinning and she could
hardly keep up her strength to try and fight back, her hands weakly pushed at the heavy weight on her.
At the bar the rest of the women were all but spent; only two dancehall girls were left on their feet,
struggling weakly with Roxie and Maggie. The big woman was just about ready to collapse, so were the
others. Then Maggie saw her chance, she gripped Roxie by the hair with one hand, the other digging
fingers into the back of one of the girls’ neck. Then with all her strength she smashed the two skulls
together, with the third girl’s head between them. The girl moaned and went down in a limp heap, once
more Maggie crashed the heads together and let Roxie and the last girl drop. She swayed herself and
almost fell.
Bearcat Annie, still kneeling astride Eeney and trying to smash the other woman’s head to the floor,
looked up. She saw Maggie was the last woman on her feet and knew she must try and finish the blackhaired
woman off. She knotted her left hand in Eeney’s hair and smashed a brutal right to her face, let
her head flop back to the floor. Gripping the edge of a nearby table, the blonde tried to pull herself up.
The table tipped over and Bearcat Annie dragged herself up by the edge. She swayed on her feet,
sobbing in exhaustion as she started for Maggie Bollinger who stood with her legs braced apart and
mouth hanging open.
Maggie was exhausted. She had taken the brunt of the attack by the saloon girls and was only barely
conscious of what was happening. She saw the big saloon keeper standing but her mind would not focus
or give her aching body any instruction. Bearcat Annie stumbled forward then as she came into range
swung a wild haymaker. It smashed like a club into the other woman’s cheek. Maggie’s head rocked to
one side, snapping over hard. She reeled back, smashing into the bar. Her legs gave way and allowed her
to slide down until she sat on the floor with her back against the bar. Bearcat Annie looked down,
swaying and almost falling, she gripped the bar to hold herself up and lifted her foot to stamp down on
Maggie.
Laying on the floor Eeney felt pain welling over her, from head to foot she seemed to be a mass of
bruises and pain. Then she sat up, dazedly, seeing Bearcat Annie staggering at Maggie. Weakly she
reached out then gripped the edge of the table to drag herself up on to her knees. Her bruised bloody
face showed her exhaustion, her eyes glassy. Through the swirling mists which whirled around her as
she tried to get up she saw something. Hanging to the table Eeney’s eyes managed to focus on the
stairs, at Mark Counter. The big Texan had holstered his guns and was watching her, he saw her eyes
meet his and clenching his fist swung it as if punching. Eeney gave a gasp, she recognized Mark even
though her mind was so dazed that it would hardly function. The she realized, this was the man who had
helped her beat Russian Olga, telling her how to handle the other woman. She saw him make the
punching motion once more and in a flash it came to her what he meant. She had fought Bearcat Annie
under the big blonde woman’s own terms instead of using the skill she had gained while travelling with
Mundy’s troupe. That was why she got whipped. Bearcat Annie knew more about all-in rough-house
fighting than Eeney did.
It took all Eeney’s will-power to shove herself to her feet, she could barely stand. The watching gunmen
yelled with delight, they had thought the fight was over, now it looked as if the girl was going to carry
on. They admired Eeney for her sheer guts and yelled the encouragement to her. Eeney was oblivious to
it all and in her head there seemed to be a roaring. Yet she kept her feet and closed with Bearcat Annie
who hung on to the bar and stamped at Maggie, missing the first time. Eeney caught Bearcat Annie’s
bare shoulder and turned the other woman round, then swung her fist. She tried to keep her fists in the
way she had learned from Mundy, swinging again, rocking the big blonde’s head back. Bearcat Annie felt
the punch, it slammed into her mouth. With a moaning scream Bearcat Annie lunged forward but Eeney
backed off, swinging a left then a right which rocked Bearcat Annie’s head again.
Still holding her fists clenched Eeney followed the staggering blonde, at every step slamming another
punch into the bloody face. Bearcat Annie was helpless now. Her hands flopping limp and helpless at her
sides as the punches rocked her head from side to side and staggered her back across the room. Eeney
shot out a right, her arm driving the fist full into Bearcat Annie’s mouth. The big woman looked as if she
was running backwards and hit the batwing doors, they parted just enough to allow her to go half out.
Then she hung there, her arms over the top of the doors, holding her up.
Eeney almost fell; she clung to a table to help keep her feet. Behind her the gunmen crowded forward
eager to see the end of the fight. Yet Eeney did not hear them. Sobbing in pain and exhaustion she
staggered forward. There was only one thing she could see, Bearcat Annie’s face, blood running from
nose and mouth, one eye blackened, the other swelling and discolored. Bearcat Annie hung there,
helpless, mouth hanging open. She did not even know Eeney was coming nearer. The German woman
halted, her breasts heaving and her fist clenching. She ached in evey inch of her body, the agony of her
hair, which felt as if the roots were on fire, the raw taste of blood in her throat, they were going now,
sinking into numbness. With every ounce of her weight behind her she swung her fist. It was a beautiful
punch, thrown with swing and power behind it. Bearcat Annie’s head rocked, the batwing doors swung
open and the big blonde went backwards. Her feet shot from under her and fell on to her back in the
street. Eeney staggered after her, out of the doors. Her legs were buckling as she crossed the sidewalk,
down to the street and dropped forward, sinking on to her knees, astride the unconscious Bearcat
Annie. Eeney’s hands supported her for a moment, then as men and women came running towards her
everything went black.

Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Vassago on January 05, 2017, 10:36:04 AM
There's a brief catfight in chapter one of Agatha Christie's "Pale Horse" when one girl gets some hair ripped out which later becomes important to the plot. It's really short but one wouldn't expect Christie - who was in her 70s when she wrote the novel - to feature such heroics.

Unfortunately, the TV movie which was based on this novel doesn't include the catfight scene which is obviously a big shame  >:(
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: gene smith on January 05, 2017, 01:41:54 PM
Many of JT Edson's westerns had great catfights
True
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Agraf on May 23, 2017, 09:21:02 PM
I arranged the titles in this interesting thread in chronological order, and added links to images (and text when available), for easier access.

Henry Fielding. The History of Tom Jones, a Foundling. UK: 1749. Book IV, Chaper VIII, a long fight in a churchyard, with a topless, bloody ending, after breast attacks:
http://www.bartleby.com/ebook/adobe/301.pdf

Charles Dickens. A Tale of Two Cities: A story of the French Revolution.  UK: 1859. Madame Defarge and Miss Pross have a dramatic fight to the death. Several movie and TV versions rend this scene more interesting than Dickens' hasty narrative.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/98/98-h/98-h.htm#link2H_4_0039

A.E.W. Mason. The House of the Harrow. USA: 1924. Brief, one-sided fight:
http://jebsadventurebound.homestead.com/files/vintage_2.html
http://vintagepopfictions.blogspot.pt/2016/10/aew-masons-house-of-arrow.html

Kathleen Winsor. Forever Amber.  UK: 1944. Great catfight set in England in the 17th century.
https://instalove.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/forever-amber/

Ian Fleming. From Russia with Love. UK: 1957. Gypsy girls death fight, stopped before one ends the other.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/c/c5/From_Russia_With_Love_Poster.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120720145849

Peter O'Donnel. Modesty Blaise. UK 1965. Modesty Blaise #1 series. Modesty figths vs Ms. Fothergill, a slim woman with strong muscles, who'd just strangled a man with her bare hands. Modesty's foe as as sadistic as she's lesbian, and that eventually helps the heroine to survive.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6f/4b/07/6f4b071a6365cbc99eff5b639ab76a53.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bd/1c/be/bd1cbea1484509ace500be02509b9760.jpg
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51f-0laiqRL._SX323_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Rod Gray. Kiss My Assassin aka A Agente da L.U.S.T Tomando Liberdades com o Tio Sam (Brazil title). The Lady From L.U.S.T. #7 [League of Underground Spies and Terrorists] series. USA:1968. Eve Drum, LUST agent fight Russian spy, gets in danger and is tortured, and the climax comes in a knife fight, with sexual attacks. [All paperbacks covers are "lusty".]
https://www.amazon.com/Lady-L-U-S-T-Kiss-My-Assassin/dp/B000N8IP60
http://suspenseandmystery.blogspot.pt/2012/02/kiss-my-assassin-by-rod-gray.html

Janet Gregory Vermandel. "Dine with the devil. USA: 1970. Two-part fight, one-sided, nudity, between slim blond-ash hair, nice model, and a dark hair, robust photographer.
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=661249236&searchurl=tn%3Ddine%2Bwith%2Bthe%2Bdevil%26sortby%3D17%26an%3Djanet%2Bgregory%2Bvermandel

Xaviera Hollander. The Happy Hooker. USA: 1973. One chapter of the diary is about she catered to a catfight fan, by telling him stories of her (imagined) fights with other women. Very brief.
https://openlibrary.org/works/OL15156919W/Xaviera!

Aubrey Burgoyne. The Amazons. UK: 1975. Terence Young's film screenplay was made into a novel, as the film became a cult for its depiction of topless Amazons wrestling, dueling, and fighting. (A more clad version was made for release in Spain, and possibly other markets with strict censorship codes.).
The Universal Tandem edition has the best book cover I have ever seen, in the last 65 years...
http://s298.photobucket.com/user/andydecker/media/Amazons-1.jpg.html

J.T. Edson. QUIET TOWN. Floating Outfit #8 series. UK: 1982. The long fight that became a western classic.
Author caters for all tastes! Mostly catfights, occasionally martial arts, boxing, or wrestling. Mostly conclude with a clear winner, a few with the loser's death.

A. J. Quinnell [alias of Philip Nicholson]. Snapshot. UK: 1982. Good fight in bathroom at an airport, a mother fighting in a rage against a female spy.
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1350346786l/333109.jpg

Donald Hamilton. The Revengers. Matt Helm #19 series. USA: 1982. On a boat, Matt is fighting with men, and instructs the good girl: "You are smaller and weaker, but if you fight with mentality and heart you can beat her." The bad girl is also tough, and spikeheel shoes take a part in the fight...
http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1248434853i/3589975._UY469_SS469_.jpg

Robert McCammon. Mine aka Mary Terror (Italy title). USA: 1990. Psychopathic "big woman with huge broad-shouldered six feet high" confronts the mother of a baby she kidnapped. The long fight starts with guns, but ends with bare hands.
http://www.robertmccammon.com/images/mine_60_pb.jpg

Ken Follett. Hornet Flight. UK: 2002. There is a catfight in it. (Other books by this author allegedly also contain women fight scenes.)
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1309202400l/92375.jpg

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I found problems with authors, or titles mentioned in the thread. I'm putting them here, apart from the others, in the hope the people who posted them, or others, are able to add more information.


William Shakespeare. A Midsummer Nights Dream. UK: 1590.
I revisited the play's text here, and did not found the alledged catfight. May be a confusion another of Shakespeare's plays?
http://shakespeare.mit.edu/midsummer/full.html

Jay Martin. The Sexy Egg Love-In. USA. Lucrezia Zipp, tall brunette working for the Mafia, jumps nude out of bed and attacks a little person, Popsy, a spy. The short fight is decided by a sustained crotch attack. Trouble, a blonde, brings trouble when she tangles with Upya, and "twists and pulls Upya's most prized posessions like a baker kneads dough."
May be this is a confusion with The Unhatched Egghead, 1966, #8 in Ted Mark's series?

Peter V. Brett. The Desert Spear. The Demon Cycle #2, a series. USA: 2010. Chapter 12, Witches, contains a savage catfight between two girls, including crotch attacks.
I found this title, and went through the long (and boring to me) text, without seeing trace of a catfight. I do NOT count monsters as of the female gender...
http://www.oodesk.com/share/ajsmen/details.php?path=%2FThe+Desert+Spear+-+Peter+V.+Brett.pdf

John Norman. Gor series. (Book titles needed!)

Robert Jordan. Conan series.  (Book titles needed!)

Troy Conway. Coxeman series.  (Book titles needed!)

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I'm adding 16 more titles to the list:


Emile Zola. L'Assomoir. Les Rougon-Macquart #7 series. France: 1877.  Cuckooed housewife starts a fight with another woman at a common wash-house, with nasty attacks and nudity to a humiliating end.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7UjgG8_emrI/UZZ2lD_omII/AAAAAAAAIMo/rSP34GArVPQ/s1600/l-assommoir-de-zola-emile-9782253002857.jpg - Original French version; scene starts at page 47)
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8600/8600-h/8600-h.htm - English version

Hal Ellson. Tomboy. US: 1950. The description of the title character prepares us for a showdown that feels half a page near the end, with her opponent running away.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7011/6835923227_6056a09ee4_b.jpg
https://mondomolly.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/rhapsody-in-orange-and-brown-15-favorite-classic-ya-covers/ - links to 4 covers

Auguste le Breton. Du Rifffi chez les femmes. France: 1957. In French slang, so hard that is has a dictionnary of several pages in the end. Strong willed women of the criminal underground, in a grimy tale of revenge with few survivors. There are two women fights that are difficult to forget.
The novel has been translated, and the a film shown under different titles: in English, Rififi for Girls, and retitled aptly, Riff Raff Girls; in Italian, Rififi fra le donne.
https://www.le-rayon-populaire.com/files/10759-1.jpg
http://www.cinemaretro.com/uploads/RIFFRAFFGIRLS.jpg
http://www.cinema-francais.fr/images/affiches/affiches_j/affiches_joffe_alex/du_rififi_chez_les_femmes02.jpg

Agatha Christie. The Pale Horse. UK: 1961. In the opening pages, the male narrator describes two local girls arguing, and fighting, in a Chelsea pub. Very short but nice.
http://www.agathachristie.com/stories/the-pale-horse

Ross Pynn [Roussado Pinto]. So-Long Jim. Portugal: 1964. Chapter 17 has a long jealousy fight in the Wild West, hairpulling, scratching and clothes ripping, watched by the man in dispute, who compliments the winner.
https://ogatoalfarrabista.wordpress.com/2015/07/14/no-aniversario-de-roussado-pinto-1471926/

Clyde Allison [William Henley Knoles]. Our Man from Sadisto. USA: 1965. Sadisto #1 series. Female spies fighting to the death.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9a/7d/70/9a7d709437051d6fe510bdb049b10da5.jpg

Clyde Allison [William Henley Knoles]. Our Girl from Mephisto. USA: 1965.  Sadisto #2 series. Female spies fighting to the death.
http://spyguysandgals.com/sgShowChar.aspx?id=995

Robert Slatzter. The Hellcats. UK: 1968. A very fight between girls, that does not last more than six lines. The novel is OK, and the cover, excellent.
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/TnAAAOSwuLZY05sh/s-l300.jpg

Gérard de Villiers. Les Trois veuves de Hongkong. SAS #12 series. France: 1968. Several pages of detailed fighting, including crotch attacks and blade weapons, to death. The novel is translated in English, Italian, Dutch, and German (Tödlich Jagd in Hongkong).
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1427644779l/25243455.jpg
http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1423152354i/24842381._UY200_.jpg
https://archividiuruk.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/0297.jpg?w=221&h=300

Gérard de Villiers. Les Trois veuves de Hongkong. SAS #17 series. France: 1970.
Dutch title: SAS Amok op Bali.
https://www.boekenwebsite.nl/files/imagecache/detail/1675-amok-op-bali.jpg
http://www.le-livre.fr/photos/R16/R160028047.jpg
https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/3/8/e/9/8e936720-8760-012c-d078-0050569439b1.jpg

James Noffatt. Virginia Box is The Girl from H.A.R.D. The Girl from H.A.R.D. #1 series [Hemisphere Administration for Regional Defence]. UK: 1974. The HARD setting made for a very brief fight between spies.
http://spyguysandgals.com/sgShowChar.aspx?id=511

Jonathan May. Confessions of a Stuntman. Confessions #16 series. UK: 1977. Describes lurid lady wrestlers, but no action between them - only mixed, brief and confused.
http://thetrashcollector.com/pbjonathanmay.html

Simon Finch. Golden Voyager. Voyager #1 series. US: 1978.  Man-to-man, mixed, and woman-to-woman arena fights, the last being two pages long.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518wrlrzEmL._SX315_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1285080014l/4178966.jpg
https://pictures.abebooks.com/BADMANBOOKS/md/md8971070772_2.jpg

Piers Anthony. Total Recall. USA: 1989. The elevator lobby fight (so memorable from the movie's first version) gets all in one page of Chaper 19, Escape.
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1234149706l/15512.jpg

Liza Cody. Bucket Nut. UK: 1992. Chapter 23 describes in full how the title girl, not so pretty but tough, tries to get the title of Women's Heavyweight Wrestling Champion of Great Britain. Written by a woman, it was in the BBC Radio Woman's Hour serial.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1914366.Bucket_Nut

Russell Whitfield. Gladiatrix. Gladiatrix #1 series. US: 2008. High profile novel, featuring drama and action scenes with women-of-the-sword in Imperial Rome.
http://www.russellwhitfield.com/assets/example/team/gladiatrix.jpg


Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: jondo53 on May 23, 2017, 11:45:58 PM
That's an impressive piece of research Agraf! :) :) There was a girl fight in a Girl from Uncle story, but can't remember its title.
As for A Midsummer's Nights Dream, of the two protagonists, Helena and Hermia, one wants to fight, can't remember which, while the other doesn't, and runs away. She says something like "you're hands be quicker for a fray, but my legs are faster to run away." I did start a thread on girl fights in classics of literature, and quite a few people provided examples.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: colt 45 on May 24, 2017, 01:04:05 AM
Knew about Edson, Gor is new, must look them up.  Thanks for the info
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: sinclairfan on May 24, 2017, 01:18:53 AM
That's an impressive piece of research Agraf! :) :) There was a girl fight in a Girl from Uncle story, but can't remember its title.
As for A Midsummer's Nights Dream, of the two protagonists, Helena and Hermia, one wants to fight, can't remember which, while the other doesn't, and runs away. She says something like "you're hands be quicker for a fray, but my legs are faster to run away." I did start a thread on girl fights in classics of literature, and quite a few people provided examples.

In Antony and Cleopatra, Antony's wife Octavia tells Cleopatra she wants to scratch her eyes out.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: jondo53 on May 24, 2017, 03:51:12 AM
I expect Cleopatra would have been one hell of a fighter!
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Agraf on May 28, 2017, 04:45:21 PM
In Antony and Cleopatra, Antony's wife Octavia tells Cleopatra she wants to scratch her eyes out.

In my post above, I have not included the mere allusion, or superficial mention, or the intention of two women fighting - as is the case you mention. By catfight literature, I expect there is actual a description of a fight, long or brief, but a fight in a published novel. This is difficult enough to summarize; enlarging the scope would render the task impossible...
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Agraf on May 28, 2017, 05:37:22 PM
That's an impressive piece of research Agraf! :) :) There was a girl fight in a Girl from Uncle story, but can't remember its title.
As for A Midsummer's Nights Dream, of the two protagonists, Helena and Hermia, one wants to fight, can't remember which, while the other doesn't, and runs away. She says something like "you're hands be quicker for a fray, but my legs are faster to run away." I did start a thread on girl fights in classics of literature, and quite a few people provided examples.

Thank you for the compliment. I had some pleasure re-discovering those titles and authors, some in my personal library. I would love other users of this board would add further titles, as I'm sure there are much more than those mentioned above in my post!

The Girl from U.N.C.L.E. was a TV series that showed for just one season in 29 episodes (1966-1967). The series was not successful enough to have a second season, but several episodes' teleplays were developed into novels by Richard Deming, Charles Ventura and I.G. Edmonds, under the collective pen name of Robert Hart Davis, published in the companion The Girl from U.N.C.L.E. Magazine. See:  http://www.philsp.com/homeville/afi/t90.htm (http://www.philsp.com/homeville/afi/t90.htm)

Gold Key published a short series of pocket books, a spin off from the TV series, but the stories seem to be different from the TV episode titles:
#1 The Fatal Accidents Affair
#2 The Kid Commandos' Caper
#3 The Captain Kidd Affair
#4 The One-way Tourist Affair
#5 The Harem-Scarem Affair
See:   https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=346221 (https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=346221)

But I've not read neither of the above material, nor other titles published as pocketbooks by other publishers, so I can't tell what are the ones eventually featuring catfights.

What I can say from having seen many episodes, and from my notes of the 1970-1980s magazines, is that the TV episodes with fights are...
The Romany Lie Affair (knife duel),
The UFO Affair (harem fight),
The Moulin Ruse Affair (1 second fights, but astonishing women baddies!),
The Fountain of Youth Affair (mud-bath fight),
The Furnace Flats Affair (gun duel turns into possibly the best of the Girl from UNCLE catfights).
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Agraf on June 02, 2017, 11:33:56 AM
Knew about Edson, Gor is new, must look them up.  Thanks for the info

Thank you.

I almost completed the collection of J.T. Edson's titles, an English gentleman who was into old guns (of which he had a huge collection at home) and writing about the old Wild West he had never visited... Once he did, invited by a fan club, and they were amazed - because of his accurate description of locations, way of living, characters, even the local differences in the use of specific words.

J.T. Edson was probably the man who wrote more books (westerns mostly, and a few detective and adventure books), with MANY including catfights between well dressed ladies, cowgirls, and bar girls, stripping each others to nudity, biting and clawing, some times recurring to knives and cavalry sabres to finish a long fight.

His books stopped being distributed, and reprints of some of his best books changed the cover art, and some books were re-titled to make them less appealing to would-be readers. I give you a few examples:

Diamonds, Emeralds, Cards & Colts became simply Cards and Colts (1988), thus losing the hint at the reader that women had a big part in the story;
Back to the Bloody Border is now Renegade (1989), thus losing the hint at the violent content of the story... of which again women had a lion's part;
Calamity, Mark and Belle became Texas Trio (1989)... and who would buy a book about three cowboys, instead of a guy and two of the greatest women in Western History, Calamity James and Belle Boyd?
Is-A-Man became Texas Warrior (1997), changing the appeal of an almost masculine profile of a female youth brought-up as a boy, even in name, for a presumable man warrior, indistinguishable from any other;
Wanted! Belle Starr became Oklahoma Outlaw (1997), again erasing the name of the female outlaw;
Calamity Spells Trouble is now The Road To Ratchet Creek (2005), and how many readers know where Ratchet Creek is, and how many more would know, and want to read, another adventure of Calamity James?
White Stallion, Red Mare was republished as Ranch War (2006), where the pairing of male and female animals hinted at a competition between a man and a woman in the story.

I won't try to list all the stories by J.T.Edson featuring catfights here, but they're at the following address, where there is also an interesting story about the author (I agree with most of it):
https://alchetron.com/J-T-Edson-990871-W
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Agraf on June 03, 2017, 04:44:10 PM
With reference to my «Reply #39 on: May 23, 2017, 09:21:02 PM » above, I wish to make one correction, and one addition.

CORRECTION

My doubts about the catfight in the following title were unconfirmed, and it should be added to the general list of catfights in literature:

Jay Martin. The Sexy Egg Love-In. USA 1969.
https://www.amazon.com/Sexy-Egg-Love-Jay-Martin/dp/B000CSBCOS (https://www.amazon.com/Sexy-Egg-Love-Jay-Martin/dp/B000CSBCOS)

ADDITION

Ben West [alias James W. Lampp]. Loves Of A Girl Wrestler. USA 1952 (2nd edition, Beacon 1960). Teaser: «Mauled... manhandled... exhibited before lusting eyes... this lovely creature fought depravity and disgrace at the hands of bone-crushing men and passionate amazons.» (unconfirmed catfight)

Daniel White [aka Day Keene]. Southern Daughter. USA 1953. (3 different editions, same two-page catfight)
http://billcrider.blogspot.pt/2011_10_02_archive.html (http://billcrider.blogspot.pt/2011_10_02_archive.html)

Stephen Longstreet. Wild Harvest. USA 1960. (California girls of the working kind, stripped, in the ditch.)
https://www.dpspbs.com/pages/books/3847/stephen-longstreet/wild-harvest (https://www.dpspbs.com/pages/books/3847/stephen-longstreet/wild-harvest)
Also made into a movie that not many have seen!...
http://playmatesinthemovies.blogspot.pt/2014/09/wild-harvest-1962.html?zx=9a98defb74d55652 (http://playmatesinthemovies.blogspot.pt/2014/09/wild-harvest-1962.html?zx=9a98defb74d55652)

James Harvey. Lady Wrestler. Cover by Paul Rader. USA 1962. (from arranged pro-wrestling matches to real catfight)
http://wrestlingclassics.com/cgi-bin/.ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=129838;p=0 (http://wrestlingclassics.com/cgi-bin/.ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=129838;p=0)
&
https://twitter.com/pulplibrarian/status/596347268522971137 (https://twitter.com/pulplibrarian/status/596347268522971137)

Clyde Allison [alias William Knoles]. Gamefinger. Adventures of 0008 #6 series. USA 1966. (women fight in the arena and in water against animals, and each other, to the death)
http://greenleaf-classics-books.com/vintage/book/el321 (http://greenleaf-classics-books.com/vintage/book/el321)
You may also find interesting to explore this site, about erotic literature from 1950 to 1975 in the USA...
http://greenleaf-classics-books.com/vintage/ (http://greenleaf-classics-books.com/vintage/)

James Moffat. Virginia Box is The Girl from H.A.R.D. The Girl from H.A.R.D. #1 series [Hemisphere Administration for Regional Defence]. UK 1973. (two page catfight)
http://spyguysandgals.com/sgShowChar.aspx?id=511 (http://spyguysandgals.com/sgShowChar.aspx?id=511)

Paul Fairman. Coffy. USA 1973. (two good catfight descriptions, a bit different from the movie of the same title)
http://paperbackfilmprojector.blogspot.pt/2012/08/ (http://paperbackfilmprojector.blogspot.pt/2012/08/)

Ron Goulart. Cleopatra Jones. USA 1973. (novel based on the movie, with the catfight)
http://paperbackfilmprojector.blogspot.pt/2012/08/ (http://paperbackfilmprojector.blogspot.pt/2012/08/)

Ron Goulart. Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold. USA 1975. (novel based on the movie, with the catfight)
http://paperbackfilmprojector.blogspot.pt/2012/08/ (http://paperbackfilmprojector.blogspot.pt/2012/08/)
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: DCameron on June 08, 2017, 10:30:16 PM
Excellent list so far.  Here's one to add:

J. D. Robb - Treachery In Death

This is one of a series of police mystery novels written by Nora Roberts under the "J. D. Robb" pseudonym.  The main character is Eve Dallas, on the New York City police force about 50 years in the future.  In this particular story (page 369) Eve confronts another female officer to arrest her, and the woman slips out of her shoes in response to Eve's holding a gun.  You guessed it - down goes the gun and ...
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Agraf on June 09, 2017, 01:17:08 PM
Excellent list so far.  Here's one to add:

J. D. Robb - Treachery In Death

This is one of a series of police mystery novels written by Nora Roberts under the "J. D. Robb" pseudonym.  The main character is Eve Dallas, on the New York City police force about 50 years in the future.  In this particular story (page 369) Eve confronts another female officer to arrest her, and the woman slips out of her shoes in response to Eve's holding a gun.  You guessed it - down goes the gun and ...

Thank you for the compliment. I wish more users of the board would do like you... and don't mean praising my work! I mean, everyone should add to the list their authors who gave their readers a good catfight!

I also thank for the teasing about the scrap. I was lucky to find the book online, and darted to the 23 and last chapter, all of it worth reading. I wonder if the rookie female cop who makes the arrest in the end, will follow on Eve Dallas' steps, and have fights of her own! JD Robb is a prolific author, so there is a chance for it.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: sinclairfan on June 09, 2017, 01:42:39 PM
Book 5 Canto 7 of The Faerie Queene by Edmund Spenser has a swordfight/fistfight between 2 women nights named Britomart and Radigonde.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: gene smith on June 09, 2017, 10:51:50 PM
Knew about Edson, Gor is new, must look them up.  Thanks for the info

Thank you.

I almost completed the collection of J.T. Edson's titles, an English gentleman who was into old guns (of which he had a huge collection at home) and writing about the old Wild West he had never visited... Once he did, invited by a fan club, and they were amazed - because of his accurate description of locations, way of living, characters, even the local differences in the use of specific words.

J.T. Edson was probably the man who wrote more books (westerns mostly, and a few detective and adventure books), with MANY including catfights between well dressed ladies, cowgirls, and bar girls, stripping each others to nudity, biting and clawing, some times recurring to knives and cavalry sabres to finish a long fight.

His books stopped being distributed, and reprints of some of his best books changed the cover art, and some books were re-titled to make them less appealing to would-be readers. I give you a few examples:

Diamonds, Emeralds, Cards & Colts became simply Cards and Colts (1988), thus losing the hint at the reader that women had a big part in the story;
Back to the Bloody Border is now Renegade (1989), thus losing the hint at the violent content of the story... of which again women had a lion's part;
Calamity, Mark and Belle became Texas Trio (1989)... and who would buy a book about three cowboys, instead of a guy and two of the greatest women in Western History, Calamity James and Belle Boyd?
Is-A-Man became Texas Warrior (1997), changing the appeal of an almost masculine profile of a female youth brought-up as a boy, even in name, for a presumable man warrior, indistinguishable from any other;
Wanted! Belle Starr became Oklahoma Outlaw (1997), again erasing the name of the female outlaw;
Calamity Spells Trouble is now The Road To Ratchet Creek (2005), and how many readers know where Ratchet Creek is, and how many more would know, and want to read, another adventure of Calamity James?
White Stallion, Red Mare was republished as Ranch War (2006), where the pairing of male and female animals hinted at a competition between a man and a woman in the story.

I won't try to list all the stories by J.T.Edson featuring catfights here, but they're at the following address, where there is also an interesting story about the author (I agree with most of ittoo):
https://alchetron.com/J-T-Edson-990871-W

in two words political correctness
Title: Re: catfights in literature (J T Edson books)
Post by: Wilts1755 on April 15, 2020, 12:28:15 AM
I'm getting the collection together (eBook/Paperback and possibly Hardback), Fights from my collection to date.

J.T. Edson Books With Female Fights.
Paperback, Hardbacks and eBooks will have different numbers, so be aware.
Waco: Sagebrush Sleuth   
Mrs Harcourt Vs Libby Hogan; Tent camp fight.
Waco: Waco Rides In      
Tioga Vs Miss Lilly Carlisle; Hotel room fight.
Waco: The Drifter      
Lynn Vs Beth; Sisters (not realised) fight in a Saloon.
Waco’s Debt
      Mary Anne Vs Della; Corral fight.
Wanted! Belle Starr   
Belle Starr Vs Drusilla St. John-Bellweather; (Amelia Penelope Dianna Benkinsop) Mason catfight.
Is-A-Man   
Becky Ingraham Vs Lady Lavinia of Sheffield; Fight in a Saloon. Becky Ingraham Vs Five Squaws; Mass catfight.
Calamity Jane: Calamity, Mark and Belle
Jill Vs Joy; Ring Barn fight (Chapter 5). Marigold Tremayne (Belle Starr) Vs Calamity; Barroom fight
Calamity Jane: Cold Deck, Hot Lead
Sal Banyan Vs Calamity; Saloon fight. Velma Vs Joan; Saloon room fight.
Calamity Jane: The Bull Whip Breed
Calamity Vs Jacqueline (Savate fighter); Saloon fight to mass brawl.
Calamity Jane: Trouble Trail
      Russian Olga Vs Calamity; Eileen Vs Molly: Catfight near stream.
Calamity Jane: The Cow Thieves
Calamity Vs Dora; Saloon fight. Marty Vs Phyl; Start of a Saloon room fight. Mousey Vs Dora; Start of a fight. Calamity Vs Ella: Open range catfight.
Calamity Jane: The Hide and Horn Saloon
      Madam Bulldog Vs Wanda Higgins; Boxing match.
Calamity Jane: Calamity Spells Trouble
Calamity Vs Evelyn; Open range catfight.
Two Miles to the Border
Sybil Vs Sarah/Bernadette/Rosita (Sisters of the Lord Outlaws); Church fight.
Waxahachie Smith: Slip Gun
Wil Jeffreys (Bar Owner/Mayor) Vs Lily Shivers (Bar Owner); Room Catfight.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: The Devil Gun
      Jill (Renegade)Vs Liz (Yankee Wife); 2 Short fights.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: The Colt and the Sabre
      Belle Boyd Vs Flora (with some help); House catfight.
The Floating Outfit: A Horse Called Mogollon
      Beatrice Vs Libby; Bedroom/Hall catfight.
The Floating Outfit: From Hide and Horn
      Dawn (Ranch Rep/Hand) Vs Barbie (Wife/Disrupter); Clearing Catfight.
The Floating Outfit: The Hide and Tallow Men
Gianna Vs Marlene; Kitchen fight/death
The Floating Outfit: Quiet Town
Russian Olga Vs Eeney Haufman (Germany Assent); Fist Fight. Eeney/Maggie/Roxie Vs Bearcat Annie (Saloon Owner) and her hired help; Saloon catfight.
The Floating Outfit: Wagons to Backsight
      Louise Vs Sue Ortega; Corral catfight.
The Floating Outfit: Troubled Range
Belle Starr Vs Calamity Jane; Saloon fight. Tilda-Mae Vs Jaya (Johnny’s new wife; Outside catfight. Britches Vs Annie; Hideout catfight.
The Floating Outfit: The Bad Bunch
      Belle Starr/Calamity Jane/Belle Boyd Vs Outlaws; Various Catfights.
The Floating Outfit: The Wildcats
Calamity Jane (Daughter) Vs Madam Bulldog (False name and Mother of Calamity Jane; Saloon catfight. Poker Alice Vs Madam Moustache (Both fake names); Saloon catfight.

The Floating Outfit: The Trouble Busters
Freddie (Saloon Owner/Mayor) Vs Kate (Saloon Owner); Short fist fight. Freddie and her girls Vs Kate and her girls; Mass saloon fight.
The Floating Outfit: Cards and Colts (Diamonds, Emeralds, Cards and Colts – Paperback title)
Irene (Metis Girl) Vs Miss Olga Chernyshevsky (Fake name); Saloon catfight, ending in Mud.
The Floating Outfit: The Law of the Gun
      Maggie (Ear biter) Vs Sadie (The Goat); Saloon catfight
Calamity, Mark and Belle
Joy Turner Vs Jill Hambling; Barn catfight. Belle Starr Vs Calamity Jane; Saloon fight.
The Town Tamers
Taffy Davies Vs Fran Murkle; Wrestling in a Saloon. Taffy Vs Ginger; Small catfight.
The South will rise again
      Belle Vs Bertha; catfight. Baroness vs Belle; catfight.
Hell in the Palo Duro
      Belle vs Emma; Saloon catfight and an outside fake catfight.
. Terror Valley
      Sheila vs Countess; catfight leading to deaths.
Old Moccasins on the trail.
Mavis vs Florencia; Bedroom catfight, finishing with audience on ground floor.
J. T.’s Ladies
Dawn vs Agasha; catfight, until one dies. Binnie Gates vs Agnes Hickok; fist fight.
More J. T.’s Ladies
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) vs Cora-Ann (British Service wife); Room catfight.
 J. T.’s Ladies ride again
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) vs Vanessa-Diedre (Criminal); catfight. Calamity Jane/Belle Starr vs Mary Abbott/Dixie/Linda Bell/Margaret Gascoigne; catfight.
Ranch War
Calamity Jane vs Florence Eastfield; Corral, Ledge, Water and Mud catfight.
J. T.’s Hundredth
      Belle vs Arlette; catfight.
Title: Re: catfights in literature (J T Edson books)
Post by: krispin on April 15, 2020, 09:35:16 AM
I'm getting the collection together (eBook/Paperback and possibly Hardback), Fights from my collection to date.

J.T. Edson Books With Female Fights.
Paperback, Hardbacks and eBooks will have different numbers, so be aware.
Waco: Sagebrush Sleuth   
Mrs Harcourt Vs Libby Hogan; Tent camp fight.
Waco: Waco Rides In      
Tioga Vs Miss Lilly Carlisle; Hotel room fight.
Waco: The Drifter      
Lynn Vs Beth; Sisters (not realised) fight in a Saloon.
Waco’s Debt
      Mary Anne Vs Della; Corral fight.
Wanted! Belle Starr   
Belle Starr Vs Drusilla St. John-Bellweather; (Amelia Penelope Dianna Benkinsop) Mason catfight.
Is-A-Man   
Becky Ingraham Vs Lady Lavinia of Sheffield; Fight in a Saloon. Becky Ingraham Vs Five Squaws; Mass catfight.
Calamity Jane: Calamity, Mark and Belle
Jill Vs Joy; Ring Barn fight (Chapter 5). Marigold Tremayne (Belle Starr) Vs Calamity; Barroom fight
Calamity Jane: Cold Deck, Hot Lead
Sal Banyan Vs Calamity; Saloon fight. Velma Vs Joan; Saloon room fight.
Calamity Jane: The Bull Whip Breed
Calamity Vs Jacqueline (Savate fighter); Saloon fight to mass brawl.
Calamity Jane: Trouble Trail
      Russian Olga Vs Calamity; Eileen Vs Molly: Catfight near stream.
Calamity Jane: The Cow Thieves
Calamity Vs Dora; Saloon fight. Marty Vs Phyl; Start of a Saloon room fight. Mousey Vs Dora; Start of a fight. Calamity Vs Ella: Open range catfight.
Calamity Jane: The Hide and Horn Saloon
      Madam Bulldog Vs Wanda Higgins; Boxing match.
Calamity Jane: Calamity Spells Trouble
Calamity Vs Evelyn; Open range catfight.
Two Miles to the Border
Sybil Vs Sarah/Bernadette/Rosita (Sisters of the Lord Outlaws); Church fight.
Waxahachie Smith: Slip Gun
Wil Jeffreys (Bar Owner/Mayor) Vs Lily Shivers (Bar Owner); Room Catfight.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: The Devil Gun
      Jill (Renegade)Vs Liz (Yankee Wife); 2 Short fights.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: The Colt and the Sabre
      Belle Boyd Vs Flora (with some help); House catfight.
The Floating Outfit: A Horse Called Mogollon
      Beatrice Vs Libby; Bedroom/Hall catfight.
The Floating Outfit: From Hide and Horn
      Dawn (Ranch Rep/Hand) Vs Barbie (Wife/Disrupter); Clearing Catfight.
The Floating Outfit: The Hide and Tallow Men
Gianna Vs Marlene; Kitchen fight/death
The Floating Outfit: Quiet Town
Russian Olga Vs Eeney Haufman (Germany Assent); Fist Fight. Eeney/Maggie/Roxie Vs Bearcat Annie (Saloon Owner) and her hired help; Saloon catfight.
The Floating Outfit: Wagons to Backsight
      Louise Vs Sue Ortega; Corral catfight.
The Floating Outfit: Troubled Range
Belle Starr Vs Calamity Jane; Saloon fight. Tilda-Mae Vs Jaya (Johnny’s new wife; Outside catfight. Britches Vs Annie; Hideout catfight.
The Floating Outfit: The Bad Bunch
      Belle Starr/Calamity Jane/Belle Boyd Vs Outlaws; Various Catfights.
The Floating Outfit: The Wildcats
Calamity Jane (Daughter) Vs Madam Bulldog (False name and Mother of Calamity Jane; Saloon catfight. Poker Alice Vs Madam Moustache (Both fake names); Saloon catfight.

The Floating Outfit: The Trouble Busters
Freddie (Saloon Owner/Mayor) Vs Kate (Saloon Owner); Short fist fight. Freddie and her girls Vs Kate and her girls; Mass saloon fight.
The Floating Outfit: Cards and Colts (Diamonds, Emeralds, Cards and Colts – Paperback title)
Irene (Metis Girl) Vs Miss Olga Chernyshevsky (Fake name); Saloon catfight, ending in Mud.
The Floating Outfit: The Law of the Gun
      Maggie (Ear biter) Vs Sadie (The Goat); Saloon catfight
Calamity, Mark and Belle
Joy Turner Vs Jill Hambling; Barn catfight. Belle Starr Vs Calamity Jane; Saloon fight.
The Town Tamers
Taffy Davies Vs Fran Murkle; Wrestling in a Saloon. Taffy Vs Ginger; Small catfight.
The South will rise again
      Belle Vs Bertha; catfight. Baroness vs Belle; catfight.
Hell in the Palo Duro
      Belle vs Emma; Saloon catfight and an outside fake catfight.
. Terror Valley
      Sheila vs Countess; catfight leading to deaths.
Old Moccasins on the trail.
Mavis vs Florencia; Bedroom catfight, finishing with audience on ground floor.
J. T.’s Ladies
Dawn vs Agasha; catfight, until one dies. Binnie Gates vs Agnes Hickok; fist fight.
More J. T.’s Ladies
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) vs Cora-Ann (British Service wife); Room catfight.
 J. T.’s Ladies ride again
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) vs Vanessa-Diedre (Criminal); catfight. Calamity Jane/Belle Starr vs Mary Abbott/Dixie/Linda Bell/Margaret Gascoigne; catfight.
Ranch War
Calamity Jane vs Florence Eastfield; Corral, Ledge, Water and Mud catfight.
J. T.’s Hundredth
      Belle vs Arlette; catfight.

Thanks.
I know in JT work often good girls wins. I'm into good girls defeated or at least taking a beating. Do you know if there is something for me?
Thanks.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: finglock on April 15, 2020, 03:00:14 PM
Excellent list so far.  Here's one to add:

J. D. Robb - Treachery In Death

This is one of a series of police mystery novels written by Nora Roberts under the "J. D. Robb" pseudonym.  The main character is Eve Dallas, on the New York City police force about 50 years in the future.  In this particular story (page 369) Eve confronts another female officer to arrest her, and the woman slips out of her shoes in response to Eve's holding a gun.  You guessed it - down goes the gun and ...

Hey DCameron, can you please tell me which chapter this happens at? I have it in a different page numbering than you.

Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Wilts1755 on April 17, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
I am sure that there is a list of J. T. edson books (with a brief description of catfights) , somewhere on this site. As I am collecting them via Kobo eBook website and like to see if I got them all. Can anyone help me please? You can message me with what you find, If you like.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Wilts1755 on April 19, 2020, 10:57:45 AM
Update the list and will add more eBook titles... I am sure that there are some good girl gets beaten or nearly destroyed (I think).

J.T. Edson Books With Female Fights.
Paperback, Hardbacks and eBooks will have different numbers, so be aware.
Calamity, Mark and Belle
Joy Turner Vs Jill Hambling; Barn catfight. Belle Starr Vs Calamity Jane; Saloon fight.
Calamity Jane 9: White Stallion, red Mare
Calamity vs Florence Eastfield; Catfight in a Corral, Cliff Ledge, Water and Mud.
Calamity Jane: Calamity, Mark and Belle
Jill Vs Joy; Ring Barn fight (Chapter 5). Marigold Tremayne (Belle Starr) Vs Calamity; Barroom fight
Calamity Jane: Cold Deck, Hot Lead
Sal Banyan Vs Calamity; Saloon fight. Velma Vs Joan; Saloon room fight.
Calamity Jane: White Stallion, red Mare
Calamity vs Florence Eastfield; Catfight in a Corral, Cliff Ledge, Water and Mud.
Calamity Jane: The Bull Whip Breed
Calamity Vs Jacqueline (Savate fighter); Saloon fight to mass brawl.
Calamity Jane: Trouble Trail
      Russian Olga Vs Calamity; Eileen Vs Molly: Catfight near stream.
Calamity Jane: The Cow Thieves
Calamity Vs Dora; Saloon fight. Marty Vs Phyl; Start of a Saloon room fight. Mousey Vs Dora; Start of a fight. Calamity Vs Ella: Open range catfight.
Calamity Jane: The Hide and Horn Saloon
      Madam Bulldog Vs Wanda Higgins; Boxing match.
Calamity Jane: Calamity Spells Trouble
Calamity Vs Evelyn; Open range catfight.
A Horse Called Mogollon
      Beatrice Vs Libby; Bedroom/Hall catfight.

From Hide and Horn
      Dawn (Ranch Rep/Hand) Vs Barbie (Wife/Disrupter); Clearing Catfight.
The Hide and Tallow Men
Gianna Vs Marlene; Kitchen fight/death
Quiet Town
Russian Olga Vs Eeney Haufman (Germany Assent); Fist Fight. Eeney/Maggie/Roxie Vs Bearcat Annie (Saloon Owner) and her hired help; Saloon catfight.
Wagons to Backsight
      Louise Vs Sue Ortega; Corral catfight.
Troubled Range
Belle Starr Vs Calamity Jane; Saloon fight. Tilda-Mae Vs Jaya (Johnny’s new wife; Outside catfight. Britches Vs Annie; Hideout catfight.
The Bad Bunch
      Belle Starr/Calamity Jane/Belle Boyd Vs Outlaws; Various Catfights.
The Trouble Busters
Freddie (Saloon Owner/Mayor) Vs Kate (Saloon Owner); Short fist fight. Freddie and her girls Vs Kate and her girls; Mass saloon fight.
The Wildcats
Calamity Jane (Daughter) Vs Madam Bulldog (False name and Mother of Calamity Jane; Saloon catfight. Poker Alice Vs Madam Moustache (Both fake names); Saloon catfight.
The Trouble Busters
Freddie (Saloon Owner/Mayor) Vs Kate (Saloon Owner); Short fist fight. Freddie and her girls Vs Kate and her girls; Mass saloon fight.
The Law of the Gun
      Maggie Vs Sadie; Saloon catfight
Cards and Colts (Diamonds, Emeralds, Cards and Colts – Paperback title)
Irene (Metis Girl) Vs Miss Olga Chernyshevsky (Fake name); Saloon catfight, ending in Mud.


The Town Tamers
Taffy Davies Vs Fran Murkle; Wrestling in a Saloon. Taffy Vs Ginger; Small catfight.
The South will rise again
      Belle Vs Bertha; catfight. Baroness vs Belle; catfight.
Hell in the Palo Duro
      Belle vs Emma; Saloon catfight and an outside fake catfight.
.Terror Valley
      Sheila vs Countess; catfight leading to deaths.
Old Moccasins on the trail.
Mavis vs Florencia; Bedroom catfight, finishing with audience on ground floor.
The Quest for Bowie’s Blade
      Belle Starr vs Belle Boyd; Near river catfight.
The Fortune Hunters
      Marlene vs Joan; Catfight.
The Texan
      Iris Pendleton vs Major Pauline Cushman; Corral Catfight.
Waco: Waco’s Badge
      Sarah (Summer Complainant) vs Belle Starr; Bedroom catfight.
Waco: Hound Dog Man
      Pauline vs Norah; Outside camp fight.
Waco: Sagebrush Sleuth   
Mrs Harcourt Vs Libby Hogan; Tent camp fight.
Waco: Waco Rides In      
Tioga Vs Miss Lilly Carlisle; Hotel room fight.
Waco: The Drifter      
Lynn Vs Beth; Sisters (not realised) fight in a Saloon.
Waco’s Debt
      Mary Anne Vs Della; Corral fight.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: A Matter of Honor
Young Ladies; fighting (leading to) Mary vs Francoise/Lotte; Catfight. Mary vs Belle Boyd.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: The Bloody Border
      Belle vs Eva; Spy catfight.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: Back to the Bloody Border
      Belle vs Eva; Spy catfight.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: The Devil Gun
      Jill (Renegade)Vs Liz (Yankee Wife); 2 Short fights.
Dusty Fog’s Civil War: The Colt and the Sabre
      Belle Boyd Vs Flora (with some help); House catfight.
Two Miles to the Border
Sybil Vs Sarah/Bernadette/Rosita (Sisters of the Lord Outlaws); Church fight.
Waxahachie Smith: Slip Gun
Wil Jeffreys (Bar Owner/Mayor) Vs Lily Shivers (Bar Owner); Room Catfight.
J. T.’s Ladies
Dawn vs Agasha; catfight, until one dies. Binnie Gates vs Agnes Hickok; fist fight.
J. T.’s Hundredth
      Belle vs Arlette; catfight.
More J. T.’s Ladies
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) vs Cora-Ann (British Service wife); Room catfight.
 J. T.’s Ladies ride again
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) vs Vanessa-Diedre (Criminal); catfight. Calamity Jane/Belle Starr vs Mary Abbott/Dixie/Linda Bell/Margaret Gascoigne; catfight.
Ranch War
Calamity Jane vs Florence Eastfield; Corral, Ledge, Water and Mud catfight.
J. T.’s Hundredth
      Belle vs Arlette; catfight.

Wanted! Belle Starr   
Belle Starr Vs Drusilla St. John-Bellweather; (Amelia Penelope Dianna Benkinsop) Mason catfight.
Is-A-Man   
Becky Ingraham Vs Lady Lavinia of Sheffield; Fight in a Saloon. Becky Ingraham Vs Five Squaws; Mass catfight.


Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: papillon on August 19, 2020, 06:18:22 AM
I arranged the titles in this interesting thread in chronological order, and added links to images (and text when available), for easier access.

Ken Follett. Hornet Flight. UK: 2002. There is a catfight in it. (Other books by this author allegedly also contain women fight scenes.)
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1309202400l/92375.jpg

Russell Whitfield. Gladiatrix. Gladiatrix #1 series. US: 2008. High profile novel, featuring drama and action scenes with women-of-the-sword in Imperial Rome.
http://www.russellwhitfield.com/assets/example/team/gladiatrix.jpg

In 'Hornet Flight' one woman is about to shoot at an airplane and another runs up behind her and swings her suitcase knocking her out. Is that what you're calling a catfight or did I miss something?

Russell Whitfield. Gladiatrix. - There are 3 novels in the series and they're packed with exciting woman-versus-woman gladiatorial contests plus one or two pitched battles.
 http://www.russellwhitfield.com/
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Rocko23 on August 19, 2020, 12:55:06 PM
With the gladiatrix series are the fights hand to hand? Or all weapons?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: papillon on August 19, 2020, 05:46:33 PM
With the gladiatrix series are the fights hand to hand? Or all weapons?
All with weapons (swords, axes, tridents…) as best I can remember and almost always to the death. There's a rather good one (on the training ground when they're using wooden practice swords) that isn't, and perhaps one or two others in the second and third books of the series where the loser's life is spared, but those are definitely the exceptions rather than the rule.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Tiberius J.C. on August 19, 2020, 06:22:06 PM
Although the fight itself isn't that long, I expect a lot of readers of this forum would love 'Treachery in Death' (J.D.Robb) - great find by DCameron! I wrote a review and forgot to post it:

It's the age-old struggle between Good and Evil presented in the sexiest guise imaginable: as a duel between two beautiful, intelligent, strong-willed, female police lieutenants - each a leader capable of inspiring devotion in the men and women under her command, each called upon, too, at times to flex her political muscle, her interpersonal skills and her powers of persuasion on those (superiors, witnesses, colleagues…) whose approval, input or skills could be vital to the investigation – the one, in hopes of obstructing it, the other, to keep it flowing to a successful conclusion. We know from the start that Renee – who'd had the easiest possible start in the force and a shining example of virtue in the form of her father, a universally respected retired police chief, to follow – is rotten to the core (a manipulative, cynical, insatiably greedy, murderous bitch who's "built her organization over years. Using her father’s name, sex, bribery, threats, guile—whatever it takes. Including killing other cops”) and that Eve – whose start in the force (and indeed, life) was more troubled – is decent, capable of great empathy as well as kindness, and driven by a sense of duty. But that doesn't make her any less pitiless in the pit. Ordered by her superior, and egged on by the men and women around her (some unashamedly titillated by the situation and even exchanging bets on the outcome), to "take her down, and take her down hard", Eve accepts the assignment with relish. 
“Did you scare her?" asks the heroine's young female subordinate, Peabody, quite early in the proceedings. "I’m good with the embarrassed, pissed off, and undermined, but I’d really like her scared.”
Eve’s smile spread wide even as her eyes burned.
“Peabody, I put the fear of God into her.”


[DON'T READ ON IF YOU HAVEN'T YET READ THE BOOK]

It goes down, of course, the way it was bound to, but it's delicious all the same to watch. Although the forces ranged against her at the start seem slightly superior, Eve (who's witty, cunning and sexy as hell with it) proves the more resourceful general: she out-thinks, out-lasts, out-leads, out-manoeuvres and even out-politics Renee, tapping in to her own killer instinct, which she at no point disavows, as well as her righteous rage to take the other woman apart, goading her into mistakes, yanking her chain with mischievous, spiteful glee, invading her space, unnerving her, harassing, pressing, panicking her into error, undermining her authority, sapping the confidence of her subordinates in her leadership, shrewdly assessing their characters and their weaknesses, winning some to her cause, frightening others into turning state's evidence, baiting one into blowing his cool completely, driving a judicious wedge into her whole phalanx of henchmen until it fractures and they start killing each other, then laying careful traps for those that remain, until the general who sent them into those traps (her judgement by this time clouded, her lucidity chronically impaired) is isolated; at which point - though it's her opponent who issues the challenge, boasting she's been taking lessons in unarmed combat since she was five - Eve beats the shit out of her in what is, for the one, a fight to the death, and, for the other, to 'a fate worse than', initially in the intimacy of the Renee's office but, after the fight spills out into the rapidly filling squad-room, Eve delivers the coup de grace in front of half the NYPD.
*
The final tableau has shades of Millais' 'Ophelia', only without the water and flowers: the blue-eyed girl of the department - steely, sexy, smart and ambitious – is lying glassy eyed on her back on the cold floor of the squad-room with her face busted (and her wrist, in all probability, broken as well), at which point she's subjected  to a further humiliation – a mild one, admittedly, measured against the mass-media, flashbulbs-exploding, prolonged public humiliation of the trial to come, and the manifold grinding indignities, the death by a thousand cuts, that await her as corrupt cop (and a tasty piece of arse at that) serving a life sentence in a New York prison, all of which fall outside the scope of the novel but can be taken as read, yet crueller in a way because it's in front of the people she's been working with but mostly climbing over all these years in her race to the top: in a gesture combining generosity with the merest hint of malice (though some might call it a sadistic last twist of the knife), Eve confers the glory of making the arrest, which God knows would look nice on anyone's record, to her young partner, whose report had triggered the enquiry in the first place, ordering her to do it with language the sexual undertones of which are deafening:
“She’s yours.”
“Huh?”
“I’m the one whose ears are ringing, for God’s sake. I said she’s yours. Your collar. Take her."

Which the rookie does ("with pleasure") bending down to slap the cuffs on the woman who would certainly have killed her or had her killed on the spot at the start of the book, when Peabody was naked in the shower, eavesdropping, hearing the lieutenant confess to ordering the murder of an informer, herself shaking with fear at what would happen if she were discovered, a woman who not only outranks her but is many years her senior – a woman with a hitherto unblemished record and 18 years on the force she had confidently expected some day to lead – before hauling her sorry, beaten carcass up off the floor. Someone else has to hold her steady as she is read her rights and "perp-walked" out.
*
The undertones aren't lesbian. Oberman, we're told, can't relate to women but has been using her sex appeal throughout her career to further her ambitions (not to mention enslave and manipulate her goons). Eve uses hers too, cheerfully and unashamedly, as a fillip and to coax the man who'd do anything for her anyway – but who's not a cop and has no business, strictly speaking, being involved in the enquiry – into deploying his wealth, his contacts and his technological wizardry to hack security systems of all varieties and lay bare the complex network of numbered bank accounts, false identities and luxurious properties held under assumed names in exotic locations – into providing, in short, the evidence that will seal the case for the prosecution; but neither woman is a model of workplace propriety; Eve, like Renee, has let a work relationship complicate her task (each of them has an ex-lover in her squad making problems). Nor would Peabody herself rate an A++ from Human Resources; she, too, is having an affair with a male colleague.
But when it comes to bloodlust, it's a different story; that's woman on woman, man on man, and both diagonals; it may not be their sole or even main motivation, but bloodlust's shooting adrenaline into everyone's veins, driving all the principal characters – the antagonists, their lovers, Eve's subordinates, Renee's assassins – towards new personal bests, besides having everyone in the department who's in on the story but not involved feeling the rush and shuffling their metaphorical bottoms excitedly towards the edge of their seats. Not even their boss, the current commander, tasked with ensuring that rules are adhered to and that the eventual case will be bullet-proof in a court of law, is entirely immune to the drug, as he confesses plainly with this tongue-in-cheek rebuke to Eve at the end:
“It was unnecessary to engage in physical contact with the suspect, to break procedure and set aside your weapon, and do so when you clearly had the suspect under control.”
“Yes, sir.”
“Unnecessary,” he repeated, “but just. And I believe it was as satisfying to experience as it was to observe."

There's a strange moment, too, when his predecessor, Commander Oberman (retired), professor emeritus of ethical policing, paragon of virtue – Robert Mueller, James Comey and Jimmy Stewart all rolled into one – congratulates Eve on her bulldog tenacity, even though it's his own daughter's lovely thigh into which she's sunk her metaphorical teeth, and  - though he has no idea at this point which one of them is in the right - after the most half-hearted of half-hearted attempts to make peace, gives them (albeit obliquely) his blessing to fight it out:
“Even when I had the chair, I believed my officers should settle their own differences.”
Daddy refusing to grease the wheels? Eve thought. That had to chap Renee’s ass.
“Yes, sir. I agree.”

And whilst Renee's half-puppy-half-lover, Bix, the special forces reject, has his own psychoses, infinitely unhealthier and more pernicious than mere voyeurism, the curtain's barely risen before Eve's lover, her husband, is telling her how much he's enjoying the show:
“Would it help if I tell you how very entertaining—even arousing—it was for me to watch you metaphorically grind Renee into fuming dust to the tune of ‘Whiskey in the Jar.’”
“Maybe. It was fun.” She rolled her shoulders. “It was satisfying. More fun, more satisfying when it stops being metaphorical, but pretty damn entertaining.”
“And arousing?”
She shot him a quick, cocky grin.
“Maybe.”

*
So at the end, with her prey cornered, Eve can hardly believe her luck when Renee slips out of her heels and challenges her to put down the weapon ("that makes you look weak") and fight her, hand to hand, woman to woman.
"Are you serious?"
Of all the responses, this was the last Eve expected. A shiny bubble of sheer joy rose up in her. "You want to dance with me?"

*
Yep. A shiny bubble of sheer joy. The book's just that. I could get very used to watching Eve Dallas work…

Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Matrix21 on August 23, 2020, 05:15:37 PM
Would anyone be able to recommend any books where two female cops fight?  Kinda like the idea of female cop vs female cop
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: sinclairfan on August 23, 2020, 05:31:56 PM
Would anyone be able to recommend any books where two female cops fight?  Kinda like the idea of female cop vs female cop

It's a TV show, not a book, but check out NCIS Los Angeles Season 6 Episode 1.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Tiberius J.C. on August 24, 2020, 08:20:10 AM
Would anyone be able to recommend any books where two female cops fight?  Kinda like the idea of female cop vs female cop
Er, I just did  ???
'Treachery in Death' (J.D.Robb)
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Matrix21 on August 24, 2020, 10:14:57 AM
I have that one, was hoping that their might be other ones at well, maybe ones where they fight nude
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: h_k on August 24, 2020, 07:06:47 PM
I have that one, was hoping that their might be other ones at well, maybe ones where they fight nude

Well, the only other books I've read are Robinson Crusoe and The Pilgrim's Progress – they made us read them in school – and there were no catfighting policewomen in either of those as far as I remember. Not naked ones at any rate. I haven't read Gulliver's Travels, so you might look there, but someone warned me they'll either be very small policewomen or very large ones. If it was one of each, I don't suppose it would be much of a fight.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: lumberjack66 on September 22, 2020, 11:22:13 PM
I read several of the early Gor books.  Seemed to me just about all of them had some catfight reference, some better some worse.  They varied from unskilled Kajira (female slave) catfights to skilled battle of the Panther Women (amazon warriors).  The other series that seemed to have some catfights was the Longarm series by Taber Evans.  I remember stumbling across this book in the library in the donated books section in High School.  At our library, you could just take these donated books and you gotta believe I took this one.  No idea if this was the only one with a catfight or if they all did.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: karl butters on September 25, 2020, 02:53:12 AM
I read several of the early Gor books.  Seemed to me just about all of them had some catfight reference, some better some worse.  They varied from unskilled Kajira (female slave) catfights to skilled battle of the Panther Women (amazon warriors).  The other series that seemed to have some catfights was the Longarm series by Taber Evans.  I remember stumbling across this book in the library in the donated books section in High School.  At our library, you could just take these donated books and you gotta believe I took this one.  No idea if this was the only one with a catfight or if they all did.

I've never read Taber Evans' Longarm series.  Is the fight in the story as sexy as the picture on the cover?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Hammer48 on September 25, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
I saw this in the corner bookstore when I was maybe 12 and the cover electrified me. Most boys
my age would go in and try to sneak peeks at Playboy or Penthouse before the clerk shooed them away
but not me  ;) I pulled the book down and feverishly began leafing through it. If my memory is correct
the fight sequence takes place near the beginning of the book and is rather brief. But for my blossoming
adolescent mind this was sufficient: two young lovelies, blonde and brunette, coming to blows in the
Wild West. And my imagination took care of the rest...
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Wilts1755 on October 07, 2020, 05:52:22 PM
My Latest list:
J.T. Edson Books With Female Fights.
Paperback, Hardbacks and eBooks (eBook numbers shown) will have different numbers, so be careful.

The Floating Outfit
A Horse Called Mogollon (3)
Beatrice Vs Libby; Bedroom/Hall catfight.
From Hide and Horn (5)
Dawn (Ranch Rep/Hand) Vs Barbie (Wife/Disrupter); Clearing Catfight.
The Hide and Tallow Men (7)
Gianna Vs Marlene; Kitchen fight/death
Quiet Town ( 8 )
Russian Olga Vs Eeney Haufman (Germany Assent); Fist Fight.
Eeney/Maggie/Roxie Vs Bearcat Annie (Saloon Owner) and her hired help; Saloon catfight.
Wagons to Backsight (11)
Louise Vs Sue Ortega; Corral catfight.
Troubled Range (12)
Belle Starr Vs Calamity Jane; Saloon fight.
Tilda-Mae Vs Jaya (Johnny’s new wife; Outside catfight.
Britches Vs Annie; Hideout catfight.
The Bad Bunch (20)
Belle Starr/Calamity Jane/Belle Boyd Vs Outlaws; Various Catfights.
The Trouble Busters (25)
Freddie (Saloon Owner/Mayor) Vs Kate (Saloon Owner); Short fist fight.
Freddie and her girls Vs Kate and her girls; Mass saloon fight.
The Wildcats (19)
Calamity Jane (Daughter) Vs Madam Bulldog (False name and Mother of Calamity Jane; Saloon catfight.
Poker Alice Vs Madam Moustache (Both fake names); Saloon catfight.
The Law of the Gun (32)
Maggie Vs Sadie; Saloon catfight
Cards and Colts (Diamonds, Emeralds, Cards and Colts – Paperback title) (28)
Irene (Metis Girl) Vs Miss Olga Chernyshevsky (Fake name); Saloon catfight, ending in Mud.
The Town Tamers (No eBook number)
Taffy Davies Vs Fran Murkle; Wrestling in a Saloon.
Taffy Vs Ginger; Small catfight.
The South Will Rise Again (37)
Belle Vs Bertha; catfight. Baroness Vs Belle; catfight.
Hell in the Palo Duro (35)
Belle Vs Emma; Saloon catfight and an outside fake catfight.
Terror Valley (No eBook number)
Sheila Vs Countess; catfight leading to deaths.
Old Moccasins on the trail. (48)
Mavis Vs Florencia; Bedroom catfight, finishing with audience on ground floor.
The Quest for Bowie’s Blade (38)
Belle Starr Vs Belle Boyd; Near river catfight.
The Fortune Hunters (43)
Marlene Vs Joan; Catfight.
The Texan (46)
Iris Pendleton Vs Major Pauline Cushman; Corral Catfight.
Mark Counter’s kin (47)
Dawn Vs Minna; Film promotion fight.
Jessica Vs 3 Saloon girls; Jail cell fight.
Waco’s Debt (50)
Mary Anne Vs Della; Corral fight.
Ole Devil’s Hands and Feet (51)
Margo Vs Sarah; Bedroom fight in a Hotel.
The Hard Riders (52)
Maggie Bollinger Vs Russian Olga; Partial Fistfight in a Saloon.... Start of the book).
Maggie Bollinger Vs Madame Fiona; Partial Saloon fistfight.

Calamity Jane:
Calamity, Mark and Belle (1)
Jill Vs Joy; Ring Barn fight.
 Marigold Tremayne (Belle Starr) Vs Calamity; Saloon fight
Cold Deck, Hot Lead (2)
Sal Banyan Vs Calamity; Saloon fight.
Velma Vs Joan; Saloon room fight.
White Stallion, Red Mare (9)
Calamity Vs Florence Eastfield; Catfight in a Corral, Cliff Ledge, Water and Mud.
The Bull Whip Breed (3)
Calamity Vs Jacqueline (Savate fighter); Saloon fight to mass brawl.
Trouble Trail (4)
Russian Olga Vs Calamity & Eileen Vs Molly: Catfight near stream.
The Cow Thieves (5)
Calamity Vs Dora; Saloon fight. Maisie Vs Phyl; Start of a Saloon room fight.
Mousey Vs Dora; Start of a fight.
Calamity Vs Ella: Open range catfight.
The Hide and Horn Saloon (6)
Madam Bulldog Vs Wanda Higgins; Boxing match.
Calamity Spells Trouble ( 8 )
Millie Vs Monique; Fight near Stagecoach.
Calamity Vs Evelyn; Open range catfight.

Ole Devil
Young Ole Devil (1)
Diamond-Hitch (Charlotte Jane Martha) Vs Madeline; Outdoor catfight (in parts, over 2 chapters).

Waco
Waco’s Badge (1)
Sarah (Summer Complainant) Vs Belle Starr; Bedroom catfight.
Sagebrush Sleuth   (2)
Mrs Harcourt Vs Libby Hogan; Tent camp fight.
Waco Rides In (4)   
Tioga Vs Miss Lilly Carlisle; Hotel room fight.
Hound Dog Man (7)
Pauline Vs Norah; Outside camp fight.
The Drifter (5)
Lynn Vs Beth; Sisters (not realised) fight in a Saloon.

Dusty Fog’s Civil War
A Matter of Honor (6)
Young Ladies; fighting (leading to) Mary Vs Francoise/Lotte; Catfight.
Mary Vs Belle Boyd;  Death fight(?).
The Bloody Border (11)
Belle Vs Eva; Spy catfight.
Back to the Bloody Border (12)
Belle Vs Eva; Spy catfight.
The Devil Gun ( 8 )
Jill (Renegade) Vs Liz (Yankee Wife); 2 Short fights.
The Colt and the Sabre (9)
Belle Boyd Vs Flora (with some help); House catfight.
The Mississippi Raider (1)
Belle Boyd Vs Roxanne Fortescue-Smethers; Ring fight.
 
Captain Fog
Cap. Fog 2: Rapido Clint
Rita Ansell Vs Daisy Extall; Reception Room Catfight. Patio Catfight
Rockabye County
The Professional Killers (4)
Alice Vs 3 Attackers; Hallway catfight.
Alice Vs Marla; catfight.
The Sheriff of Rockabye County (3)
Marla Vs Sharon; Mansion Fight.
Jodie Vs Greta; Mansion wrestling (Fake street fight).
Alice (Deputy Sheriff) Vs Sharon (robber/gang member); Bedroom catfight.

Waxahachie Smith:
Slip Gun (2)
Wil Jeffreys (Bar Owner/Mayor) Vs Lily Shivers (Bar Owner); Room Catfight.

Other Titles (not part of a series)
Two Miles to the Border
Sybil Vs Sarah/Bernadette/Rosita (Sisters of the Lord Outlaws); Church fight.
J. T.’s Ladies
Dawn Vs Agasha; catfight, until one dies.
Binnie Gates Vs Agnes Hickok; fist fight.
J. T.’s Hundredth
Belle Vs Arlette; catfight.
More J. T.’s Ladies
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) Vs Cora-Ann (British Service wife); Room catfight.
J. T.’s Ladies ride again
Rita Yarborough (Company Z) Vs Vanessa-Diedre (Criminal); catfight.
Calamity Jane/Belle Starr Vs Mary Abbott/Dixie/Linda Bell/Margaret Gascoigne; catfight.
Ranch War
Calamity Jane Vs Florence Eastfield; Corral, Ledge, Water and Mud catfight.
Wanted! Belle Starr   
Belle Starr Vs Drusilla St. John-Bellweather (Amelia Penelope Dianna Benkinsop); Mason catfight.
Is-A-Man   
Becky Ingraham Vs Lady Lavinia of Sheffield; Fight in a Saloon.
Becky Ingraham Vs Five Squaws; Mass catfight.



Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: sinclairfan on October 07, 2020, 06:24:08 PM
The Waxahachie Smith Wil/Lily fight in Slip Gun catfight is actually a nude-grudge-behind locked doors fight, so it has lots going on.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: coachzzz on October 07, 2020, 08:32:44 PM
Yes, Sinclairfan, and for my money it is JT Edson's best.  Some of the other fights in his other books are longer and more detailed, but for sheer intensity and action, it is the one I will read and re-read most often.  The rivalry between the two women is set up over the course of the book, and the fight itself would compare very well with some of the better stories on this site.   The Slip Gun fight is not to be missed for those of us in this forum who love fight stories.


Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: ultimateliz on November 10, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
I am a fan of JT Edson's work. I have several of his books, with many more in ebook format. They are not the easiest books to find at your local used book store, but they are out there. He did love writing about a good catfight.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Thommy1982 on November 14, 2020, 08:08:05 AM
Thanks for all the good Books, Do you have a link were i can buy them either as ebook to download or normal book
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: papillon on November 14, 2020, 08:03:50 PM
Thanks for all the good Books, Do you have a link were i can buy them either as ebook to download or normal book
"Ungezähmte Rivalität"" hier ist genial:
https://www.club-der-sinne.de/erotische-Literatur/Genre/Catfight-Fetisch-Geschichten:::1_2_26.html
Für J.T. Edson:
https://www.hugendubel.de/de/quickSearch?searchString=J.T.%20Edson&facetNodeId=-1&mainsearchSubmit=Suche
"Treachery in Death" auf Deutsch:
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/verrat-aus-leidenschaft ODER https://www.hugendubel.de/de/taschenbuch/j_d_robb-verrat_aus_leidenschaft-26132680-produkt-details.html?searchId=2143513029&originalSearchString=
"L'Assommoir" von Emil Zola auf Deutsch:
https://www.hugendubel.de/de/buch_kartoniert/emile_zola-der_totschlaeger-23346497-produkt-details.html?searchId=2143516373&originalSearchString=
"Forever Amber" auf Deutsch:
https://www.hugendubel.de/de/taschenbuch/kathleen_winsor-amber-14961332-produkt-details.html?searchId=2143516981
Gladiatorin (eine Serie):
https://www.hugendubel.de/de/advancedSearch?action=search&languageCode=&person=Lesley+Livingston
"Gladiatrix" (auf Englisch) auch als E-Buch
https://www.hugendubel.de/de/taschenbuch/russell_whitfield-gladiatrix-7055182-produkt-details.html?internal-rewrite=true






Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: jondo53 on November 15, 2020, 05:44:11 PM
Ian Fleming's From Russia with Love. The was made famous by the films depiction of the fight but it's nowhere near as good as in the book, in which both girls end up naked and one gets her breasts bitten and is kicked between the legs. Heh heh!
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: papillon on November 15, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
Ian Fleming's From Russia with Love. The was made famous by the films depiction of the fight but it's nowhere near as good as in the book, in which both girls end up naked and one gets her breasts bitten and is kicked between the legs. Heh heh!
The ending's a bit lame though, isn't it? Not to mention hypocritical! After revelling in the violence, Fleming pretends to be above it all. And we never even find out who got the man in the end. I'd have settled for a less violent fight with a clear winner. But it's all a matter of taste. A lot of the J.T. Edson ones have lame endings too: if the fight isn't interrupted, it turns out they were only pretending to fight to create some kind of distraction, or someone produces a knife, or a gun, or a sword, and ruins the whole thing or else BOTH the fighters get knocked out at the end, which makes it a draw, which as we know, is like kissing your sister… There are lots of good ones all the same if you like fights that end with a knockout. If you're more into submissions, there's 'Back to the Bloody Border' and that's about it. Anyone know any others?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Matrix21 on July 01, 2021, 04:40:41 PM
Could someone recommend a book, looking for one with a longish catfight, preferably nude, can have sexual elements, and would prefer one where no one breaks the fight up?  Thanks, appreciate it
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: STARSHOLLOW on July 13, 2021, 07:37:06 PM
don't remember the author, but do remember hearing there was a guy who wrote a string of Western novels. Each book supposedly had a catfight in it somewhere, hinting the author had a hidden catfight fetish. It was basically confirmed when the hero later meets a man with a collection of paintings, all of them renditions of the catfights that had taken place in the previous books
this was jt edson he wrote many western books , many with amazing catfight descriptions
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: CoffeeMug on July 13, 2021, 08:54:39 PM
Most of Edson's books are on Amazon Kindle now, if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Dario on July 14, 2021, 04:42:40 PM
In the saga of books and novels about Julius Caesar by the writer Colleen McCullough there are two good catfights, one from Caesar's friend, Servilia, against one of his enemies, Porcia, and the other from Attila's two lovers.

In the two catfights at the end there is a clear winner. The novelist is a woman but she describes the action perfectly and takes pleasure in some details.

Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Rocko23 on July 14, 2021, 06:27:33 PM
Dario what are the book titles?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: jondo53 on July 14, 2021, 11:06:33 PM
Dario what are the book titles?

She wrote several novels about Ceasar so hopefully Dano will let us know which have the catfights.

https://www.amazon.com/Masters-of-Rome-7-book-series/dp/B0857F76P7
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Dario on July 15, 2021, 06:48:43 PM
I think the first fight is in book number 4 and the other in book number 5, but it could be that they are both in book 5.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: CoffeeMug on July 15, 2021, 10:43:28 PM
I downloaded 4 and 5 on Kindle and couldn't find anything using search terms (slap, breast, hairpull, etc), so if anyone knows what % of the book or some way to find them, please advise!

Thanks
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Dario on July 16, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
I read the books years ago and in my language, Spanish, with diferent tittles, so I don't remember exactly which book they were in, but surely the two fights happen in that saga.
One of them is in Cesar's life, while he is in Gaul and the two lovers of a barbarian chief fight. The other is after Cesar's death and his lover, Servilia (Bruto's mother) and her daughter-in-law, Porcia, fight.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Tiberius J.C. on July 18, 2021, 12:00:45 PM
This is really good IMHO: "Evolution's a Bitch: Catfighting in Cool Britannia" by Tirny Francis.
https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7381 - (just out on Kindle)
I've only read the first half (I'm TRYING to work) but I can tell you, it's pretty difficult to put down!
You don't need to take my word for it anyway, as the author's kindly uploaded an early draft of the first chapter (it's even better in the finished work) here:
https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=7381
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: luffy316 on July 18, 2021, 05:07:52 PM
forgot to mention my novel's got a bunch of tribal women fighting in various situations. Girl gets stranded in a carriage crash and gets adopted into a family of amazons

https://www.amazon.com/Winterfang-Valla-Gregory-Predmore/dp/B08R6PFPZQ
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: sinclairfan on July 28, 2021, 05:19:46 PM
"They'll Never Catch Us", by Jessica Goodman (2021)

Page 145:  The world hadn't yet told us that girls don't fight with fists, but with words.  Laughable now, though, after everything that's happened.  The idea that girls don't fight.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: sinclairfan on August 11, 2021, 01:24:42 PM
"In My Dreams I Hold A Knife" by Ashley Winstead (2021), pg 37-38

Courtney tilted her head.  "I heard you're single again.  What a shame.  Paris is the perfect place to get engaged.  Sorry it didn't work out for you."

"Oh," I said, with faux surprise.  "You like Paris?  I assumed your taste was a little more down to earth.  Like, you know, American fast-food chains.  You and Mint did first hook up in a Wendy's bathroom, right?"

A Chi O next to us gasped.  Courtney reddened. 
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: lumberjack66 on August 19, 2021, 08:55:46 PM
I read several of the early Gor books.  Seemed to me just about all of them had some catfight reference, some better some worse.  They varied from unskilled Kajira (female slave) catfights to skilled battle of the Panther Women (amazon warriors).  The other series that seemed to have some catfights was the Longarm series by Taber Evans.  I remember stumbling across this book in the library in the donated books section in High School.  At our library, you could just take these donated books and you gotta believe I took this one.  No idea if this was the only one with a catfight or if they all did.

I've never read Taber Evans' Longarm series.  Is the fight in the story as sexy as the picture on the cover?

If I remember right, even more so.  The women are of course fighting over him.  And he just watches the whole thing smiling.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: tanglung on August 20, 2021, 09:16:03 AM
The other series that seemed to have some catfights was the Longarm series by Taber Evans.  I remember stumbling across this book in the library in the donated books section in High School.  At our library, you could just take these donated books and you gotta believe I took this one.  No idea if this was the only one with a catfight or if they all did.

I've never read Taber Evans' Longarm series.  Is the fight in the story as sexy as the picture on the cover?

If I remember right, even more so.  The women are of course fighting over him.  And he just watches the whole thing smiling.

The series is hundreds of books. It's 23 pages worth of Amazon results. Any tip? Ideally the title? Am I looking for a catfight right on the cover?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Tiberius J.C. on April 30, 2022, 10:33:21 PM
I didn't enjoy this book, simply because the author kept trying to sell that it was a true story but it was written like a kid trying to convince you of a lie
You could say the same thing about any work of fiction. The writer always tries to convince you that the events (s)he's describing really happened, even though you know they didn't, and (s)he knows you know they didn't, and you know (s)he knows you know they didn't.
Only apparently you don't. That's a little weird because the entire genre is based on the suspension of disbelief: you know the events described never happened but you try to believe, at least while the book is in your hands, that they really did.
Of course, for legal reasons, books sometimes carry a disclaimer that says: "This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to actual persons is purely coincidental …" but that's usually an indication that the characters in fact are thinly disguised portraits of real people. In other words, if they take the trouble to tell you it's a work of fiction, that's a sure-fire indication that it isn't.
I should point out that I don't know the writer but I enjoyed the book.
As to its credibility, I don't recall the main body of the book being any more or less credible than the lengthy free sample to which I provided a link. Or are you saying you read the free sample and would have been prepared at that time to swear on your granny's life that the events related therein really happened, and that it was only when you came to read the rest of the book that the doubts began to creep in?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: sinclairfan on May 01, 2022, 01:02:45 AM
I didn't enjoy this book, simply because the author kept trying to sell that it was a true story but it was written like a kid trying to convince you of a lie
You could say the same thing about any work of fiction. The writer always tries to convince you that the events (s)he's describing really happened, even though you know they didn't, and (s)he knows you know they didn't, and you know (s)he knows you know they didn't.
Only apparently you don't. That's a little weird because the entire genre is based on the suspension of disbelief: you know the events described never happened but you try to believe, at least while the book is in your hands, that they really did.
Of course, for legal reasons, books sometimes carry a disclaimer that says: "This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to actual persons is purely coincidental …" but that's usually an indication that the characters in fact are thinly disguised portraits of real people. In other words, if they take the trouble to tell you it's a work of fiction, that's a sure-fire indication that it isn't.

100% disagree.

Whose version of the Battle or Borodino is more "true"?  Tolstoy's in 'War and Peace'?  Or the one written by non-fiction historians?

Whose version of antebellum America is more "true"?  Mark Twain's 'Huck Finn'?  Or the one written by non-fiction historians?

Whose version of Julius Caesar is more "true"?  Shakespeare's?  [Friends, Romans, countrymen; Lend me your ears. /  Et tu, Brute?]  Or the man's own autobiography?  [Veni.  Vidi.  Vici.]

Give me the 'fictional' version of all three, please.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Tiberius J.C. on May 01, 2022, 07:23:34 AM
I wouldn't disagree with any of that.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: martianboy2 on May 01, 2022, 09:40:30 AM
This is probably of no use to anybody, but I will mention it.

Some teenage girl magazines of the 1970s, would sometimes have stories in them that would involve a catfight.

My cousin, she’s a couple of years older than me, would buy several magazines each month. The names of which I cannot now recall, but some were real obscure publications that had a very short shelf run.

One story in particular caught my attention, the magazine having been cast aside on the sofa, open on a certain page.

It involved two mothers (one of my favourites where catfights are concerned), and was in illustrated form, much like a comic. Some of the cartoon pictures were superb.

This got my interest in her magazines.

Whenever I got the chance, I would have a browse through them, just occasionally, I would come across another catfight.

Some old magazines are well worth looking through if you come across any.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Tiberius J.C. on May 02, 2022, 02:13:41 PM
Looking at it again, I see it's the Epilogue you're objecting to, which begins: "All the events described here occurred in 1997" but that's all part of the novel - he's still in the persona of the narrator. It isn't a statement by the author himself that the whole book is God's Truth. We know this because when you turn the page, you come to the "Afterword". It is at that moment that he abandons the persona of the narrator. Now it is clearly the author speaking, and he makes it abundantly clear that the book is a novel not autobiography but that he has tried to make it more realistic than the 'fantasy fiction" genre into which most FCF stories fall.
Here's what he says:
Afterword
I very much hope that you have enjoyed reading this book.  My initial reason for writing it was because I found it difficult to identify authentic catfighting novels on Amazon.  I am aware that there is a great wealth of free ‘catfight fiction’ available on the web, especially on forums such as freecatfights.com, but most of them are written in the fantasy genre.  There are certainly some very good short stories about authentic apartment-style catfighting available too, but few are as lengthy as the account you have read in these pages.     I would like to think that this novel has provided you with a different reading experience, whether or not you are familiar with catfight fiction.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Tiberius J.C. on May 02, 2022, 02:41:02 PM
One might ask: what was the point of the epilogue?
You clearly feel it was an insult to the reader's intelligence but I doubt that was the author's intention. I think his idea was to anchor the story at a precise moment in time – the period when Tony Blair was prime minister and the UK was often styled 'Cool Britannia' – partly for the benefit of younger readers who perhaps can't imagine life without video streaming, smartphones and all the rest of it, and would otherwise find parts of the plot incomprehensible, but also to add a note of nostalgia, which I think it does rather well.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: JT Edson on May 07, 2022, 12:27:32 PM
I am a fan of JT Edson's work. I have several of his books, with many more in ebook format. They are not the easiest books to find at your local used book store, but they are out there. He did love writing about a good catfight.
Excuse me, where can I find JT Edson books in ebook format please?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: TheRef on May 07, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
I am a fan of JT Edson's work. I have several of his books, with many more in ebook format. They are not the easiest books to find at your local used book store, but they are out there. He did love writing about a good catfight.
Excuse me, where can I find JT Edson books in ebook format please?

Have you tried either of these locations?

https://readfrom.net/j-t-edson/ (https://readfrom.net/j-t-edson/)

https://www.amazon.com/jt-edson-kindle-books-Store/s?k=jt+edson+kindle+books&rh=n%3A133140011 (https://www.amazon.com/jt-edson-kindle-books-Store/s?k=jt+edson+kindle+books&rh=n%3A133140011)
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: DuMitcha Jones on May 18, 2022, 09:12:02 PM
Tokyo Girls Destruction.... One word: Chaotic. You should go see it! It's awesome!

Written by Betten Court
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: gmenn on June 27, 2022, 10:32:19 AM
Anyone know if it is possible to have the stories of ET EDSON in Italian?

E' già difficile trovarle in inglese ... figurati in Italiano!
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Marculaso on July 01, 2022, 07:07:18 AM
Nel caso, ho scritto per diletto personale racconti di catfight.
Aveste piacere di parlarne o condividere, su Trillian: Italiancatfight
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: lumberjack66 on May 15, 2023, 08:08:49 PM
The other series that seemed to have some catfights was the Longarm series by Taber Evans.  I remember stumbling across this book in the library in the donated books section in High School.  At our library, you could just take these donated books and you gotta believe I took this one.  No idea if this was the only one with a catfight or if they all did.

I've never read Taber Evans' Longarm series.  Is the fight in the story as sexy as the picture on the cover?

I had no idea there were that many of them.  Book #22

If I remember right, even more so.  The women are of course fighting over him.  And he just watches the whole thing smiling.

The series is hundreds of books. It's 23 pages worth of Amazon results. Any tip? Ideally the title? Am I looking for a catfight right on the cover?
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Dario on May 15, 2023, 08:42:37 PM
In spanish,  two fine fights in "La Barraca" and "Cañas y Barro", two books from the begining of S. XX.
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: papillon on March 19, 2024, 10:40:17 PM
In spanish,  two fine fights in "La Barraca" and "Cañas y Barro", two books from the begining of S. XX.
¡Son obras maestras!
Title: Re: catfights in literature
Post by: Thommy1982 on March 22, 2024, 06:05:40 AM
Is there a link to the side to the catfight of the Western longarm