[MisterSteel]

While there's a momentary stall with the Tit-Fight Simulator and the Poll for who should be entered, I had an idea for figuring out a way to classify sexfighters, both male and female.

Personally, I find that a good way to think of it is divide things into eight headings; Gender (self-explanatory), Kinsey (where you rank on the Kinsey Scale), Finesse (how good you are at arousing another), Fortitude (how well you can control your own arousal), Stamina (how long you can keep going for), Likes (Things you enjoy), Dislikes (Things you don't enjoy), and Favorites (Things you pretty much love).

As an example I'll list myself;

Gender: Male
Kinsey: 1 (More of a 0.5, really)

Finesse: 3/5 (I'd rate myself as average)
Fortitude: 2/5 (Not a quick shot, but I can't stall for long)
Stamina: 5/5 (Give me a second and I'm ready to go again)

Likes: Deep-throat (Receiving)
Dislikes: Anal (Giving and especially receiving)
Favorites: Tit-fucks (The promise of one will get me from soft to hard in a literal heartbeat, receiving one would drop my fortitude down to a zero.)

I'd say that this is a pretty good generalization for factors to look for in sex-fights. I specially didn't add things like penis size, bust size, etc. because apart apart from smothering, likes/dislikes and similar, they don't factor in. Though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I just tried to make a simple method of measuring ones aptitude for sexfights, male or female.

[Ewa S]

Hmmmm I love the idea... Seems there can be lots of room for math and theory behind it, and I kinda like that ^^

I'm curious though on how will you do it?? I see two possible approaches:

1) Weighting those headings... Mutiplying the weight x the respective heading, and summing them up for a blunt score... Which is the simplistic approach...

2) Comparing headings to the other's respective heading... And then multiplying that difference by a specific weight... And then having a grand formula to compare the 'weighted differences'... That would mean it's not a matter of who has a grander score but making some categories more critical...

Which approach were you thinking of RE??

[MisterSteel]

Why thank you for the response and support. I must admit I hadn't thought too much about a formula to compare competitors (I had forgotten about weight and height completely) and was just devising a preliminary method to it, but you're right to say that there can be a lot to back this up. (You like math! Lovely! Almost no one likes math anymore!)

I don't think that weighting scores on weight alone is the ideal (else an individual who's overweight, obese, or morbidly obese would steamroll any and everyone). While it's certainly possible that a hefty individual can outdo a lighter opponent (they have weight classes for a reason), it's equally possible that a lighter individual can cause equal grief to a heavier opponent (see: waif fu).

But I think you're on to something in regards to the second. I think the real trick would be seeing whether the theory matches up to the practical.
For example: Adam vs Eve

Adam's Stats:
Gender: Male
Kinsey: 0

Finesse: 3/5
Fortitude: 3/5
Stamina: 3/5

Eve's Stats:
Gender: Female
Kinsey: 0

Finesse: 4/5
Fortitude: 4/5
Stamina: 3/5
(I nixed the likes/dislikes for the time being)

Now in this case, Eve looks to have the better stats, but supposing they did have a sexfight and Adam won, how could that be explained? (And wins consistently to eliminate the luck factor.) Would that be caused by his stats being unaligned, or that there's some other here-fore unknown factor that's letting him win? (I'm specifically saying that the guy wins, because guys are typically worse at this than women.)

[The BIG E]

Hmm. I do agree that men are worse at this than women. Well, we are.

However, I think with this, there are a few things that could determine a match. Eve's stats are higher than Adam's, however there are different factors of how a win could be explained. I think finesse, stamina and fortitude isn't really a strong statistic. I mean, some people could say they can control their arousal very well but there is always a factor. Same with fortitude, some are effective and some are not. Stamina, however, maybe a strong statistic in itself but it can vary, pre fight or post fight. For example, if the person is already aroused before the fight begins, how effective their likes are, and such.

It's what I think, but guys, you're welcome to disagree

[RedEnforcer]

A good start, but you should put in something about sensitivity. I know some gals who seem unstoppable until you find that one spot (different on almost everyone) or that one kink that just makes them completely vulnerable, much like you mentioned in your original list of likes/dislikes.

[Michelle]

The question I, as a research specialist looking for better ways to quantify my work, has for Dr. Ewa is this...

We talk about various and sundry weighting factors in the building of a model most capable of doing what is most necessary to enhance and provide validity to any model capable of predicting results....the key with any model/simulation...in any endeavor but even more so in this one is...

The ability of the model/simulator to match past performance and/or history - THIS IS PARAMOUNT

It is then and only then that you can have a certain level of comfortability in the accuracy of the model to due future stimulation and arousal level predictions.  This gets us to Dr. Ewa's key question...the proper weighting of our input parameters.  By adjusting within reason based on past actual responses, the weighting of said input parameters until we have a past performance match that is within proper tolerances...

The so called "simplistic" approach giving one a "blunt" score is hardly adequate though does provide sufficient data for first pass results.
I would caution Dr. Ewa on her thoughts regarding multiplying various heading differences by said weighting factors as this would give us the classic "apples and oranges effect".  It is an often committed research error and one Dr. Ewa would no doubt conclude with little data gathering effort.  I'm sure she would agree with me whole heartily in my assertion as her data gathering methods were what led her to ultimately receive a Nobel Prize.  Her work is truly groundbreaking and might I even add as much as....breathtaking

Mr. Vallent has brought up an excellent point in that a proper explanation and weighting of "pre-fight" arousal level as a result of various methods of foreplay can have a crucial role in ultimate results...especially in terms of orgasm intensity levels and above all an ultimate  number of orgasms achieved.

This message is approved by Dr. Michelle and A. S. S. - the American Society for Sexfighting

[MisterSteel]

To EValiant:
I was just trying to pose an example in which the statistics seem to be lying (an individual with lower stats across the board winning consistently against someone with higher). You're right in that pre-match arousal is a big factor. Again, I pull out the gender card, simply because it's true. Even if all else were equal, a guy (Kinsey < 3) would have a greater disadvantage if facing a sufficiently attractive female, then a girl (Kinsey < 3) would have against a sufficiently attractive male. For the average guy, if the prospect of one on one hot sweaty physical action with a sexy girl is impending, you'll most likely be rock hard and ready to go before the starting bell rings (like a Pavlovian response). However, after the initial release, most guys aren't so quick to fire anymore, whereas ladies seem to remain pretty receptive (from what I've experienced anyway).

To RedEnforcer:
Yeah, I thought of sensitivity (which I tried to allude to with the likes/dislikes/favorites) but keep it both gender neutral ('sensitivity' just seems like a word you use when referring to a woman's erogenous zones), as well as professional ('kink' just isn't cutting the mustard), but not sounding like a video game ('weakness' what is this, rock-paper-scissors?). Though perhaps 'vulnerability' works, or perhaps something similar.

To Michelle:
...what?
I understood what you said, but not what you were trying to say.

But please, I'm enthusiastic at the interest. If I weren't running the tit-fight tournament poll, I'd post a few pictures of porn stars and other models and have the community vote on what their numerical 'stats' would be.

Perhaps rate the ever popular Denise Milani, Michelle Marsh, and Valerie Cormier?



NOTE: Pictures are VERY large

[MisterSteel]

Because I thought on this after the fact, (and the modification option is locked already), I'll post my speculations as to what the three ladies stats might be. (Michelle, Eva, or anyone else; if you have suggestions for any guys that could be rated just let me know. I must admit that I have no taste for that.)

Denise Milani
Gender: Female
Kinsey: ??
Finesse: 3/5
Fortitude: 3/5
Stamina: 4/5

Michelle Marsh
Gender: Female
Kinsey: ??
Finesse: 3/5
Fortitude: 2/5
Stamina: 3/5

Valerie Cormier
Gender: Female
Kinsey: ??
Finesse: 4/5
Fortitude: 3/5
Stamina: 5/5

[MisterSteel]

also, i think if you're going to assign a rating scale to someone you should do it on what sort of sex acts they're really good at, instead of just lumping them together all in one...

That leaves quite a wide variety of options open...
For example if someone is good at giving oral sex to the opposite/same gender but their opponent doesn't enjoy receiving oral sex. And then think of all the varieties of oral sex? The list would be near endless detailing each persons strengths, weaknesses, and resistances.

That is unless you have ideas on how to condense the list?

[RedEnforcer]

well, build-up is really important, but you never just jump into it unless you've been thinking about it for a while so that's where teasing and kinda trash-talk before you meet up play into it...

so far as actually doing it is concerned you've really only got to be aware of your and your opponent's skill with everything you've agreed to allow (fingering? licking? kissing? rubbing? grinding?) and your ability to keep a secret about what's turning you on or what you really like. if you've got a good chemistry with your partner and you're willing to be really adventurous and explore but be competitive at the same time it all usually works out really, really well!

To me that's the fun part of the challenge, figuring out what's turning on my opponent and then exploiting it and seeing the reaction.

And chemistry is really important as well.

[MisterSteel]

so far as actually doing it is concerned you've really only got to be aware of your and your opponent's skill with everything you've agreed to allow (fingering? licking? kissing? rubbing? grinding?) and your ability to keep a secret about what's turning you on or what you really like. if you've got a good chemistry with your partner and you're willing to be really adventurous and explore but be competitive at the same time it all usually works out really, really well!

To me that's the fun part of the challenge, figuring out what's turning on my opponent and then exploiting it and seeing the reaction.

Almost like playing Poker right?

As an addition, I managed to think of one guy who the ladies could get behind in rating; Isaiah Mustafa. He's pretty much the only attractive guy I can think of. And considering how one of my female friends described him as having a voice made of velvet chocolate sex and a body that would make you orgasm by just touching it, well I'd say he'd have a pretty good rating. (Science guys determined that his voice is like having every molecule of your ears massaged while his facial hair is the only thing to prevent you from endlessly gazing into his abs).

So yeah, stats.

Isaiah Mustafa
Gender: Male
Kinsey: ??
Attractiveness: 5/5
Fortitude: 4/5 (Honestly I think this should be a 5, but no one's perfect.)
Stamina: 5/5


AGAIN NOTE: VERY large picture

[angel_bitch]

What is the 'titfight simulator', I haven't heard this mentioned until now?

[MisterSteel]

What is the 'titfight simulator', I haven't heard this mentioned until now?

Really? I've had a poll running for over two months now trying to wean out contenders.
The Titfight Simulator was a predominantly text based game simulating a few rounds of tit-fighting between two women (models and porn-stars mostly) but the pictures were all static shots and there was little room from any 'playability'.
Right now, me and a few others have been working to turn it into a flash based game with customization and animation. We're pretty much done, but the programs we use are incompatible (I've got the bulk of the game done, and m'colleague has the animations done, but we can't make a Reese's). The polls are to see which real-life contenders to re-add to the new game.

Current Flash version here: http://www.legendofkrystal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2889&start=140#p221617
Older Text+Picture version here: http://bit.ly/15OHd07

[Amazon_Victoria]

Ooo! Mustafa! As delicious as ever...

For me:

Amazon Victoria
Gender: Female
Kinsey: 2.5

Finesse: 5/5 (I can make a Kinsey 6 male get an erection. Nuff said.)
Fortitude: 5/5 (It takes a lot to get me off. Size or stamina.)
Stamina: 5/5 (I have fucked for 24 hours before)
What can I say? I'm perfect when it comes to sex.

Likes: Breast/Booty Worship, Big Cocks
Dislikes: Bondage, S&M
Favorites: Rivalries, Anyone who can match me in stature, stamina, or pure unadulterated sexuality. We will get along like a house on fire hun!

[Amazon_Victoria]

Hi, Victoria
No woman's defeated u yet? Try one of the girls from the UK, they might. lol

Well let me clarify. IRL I've never lost any type of match against a guy nor any type of sexmatch/titfight against a woman. I have lost some IRL wrestling matches, but I'm still have twice the amount of wins as I do losses.

Online? Pretty much undefeated in everything.