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Offline bigz242

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Seeking Companies Similar To Known Ones
« on: June 02, 2014, 05:32:37 AM »
There are a lot of catfight sites around, and it's hard to know what's out there.  I figured the easiest way to find more interesting stuff is say what I think of companies I know, and see if others have thoughts on what videos/companies offer similar stuff.

Before I dive in, let me note general likes and dislikes.  If you don't share them, then your views of various companies will likely differ from mine, but that's OK.

Likes:
-- Clear winners and losers.  Humiliations and one-sided matches work well.  (Generally, this leads to a preference for "worked" fights over real ones.)
-- Losers who can "sell" well.
-- Fights in skirts or bra/panties.  Especially a sucker for white attire, but that's probably just me.
-- Aggressive action.  Hairpulling, slapping, punching, etc.  Crotch attacks are an extra plus, though I don't expect anything along these lines from a real fight.

Dislikes:
-- Mixed fighting (or anything with a guy involved).
-- Boxing.
-- Giggle fests.
-- Videos where the selling point is more about a woman's ridiculously oversized breasts than the action.
-- Sexfights are fine, but hard to do well.  Not interested in "all sex, no fight" sexfights (Tribgirls comes to mind here) or videos where the girls pretend to fight briefly and then just have sex.

So with that, here are my brief thoughts on the companies whose videos I have seen and what I think of them.

APL:  What they produce these days is very good.  Nude "extreme" fights with lots of breast and crotch attacks.  Older videos were more varied and had some decent stuff as well.

Brandenburg:  Some catfights, some sexfights.  Sexfights are better than what you'll get from most, but suffers from not really being able to determine the winner easily.  Matches also tend to be a lot longer than really necessary.

Carolina Catfights:  What I have seen of it is decent, but their website is an absolute mess.  A mountain of content with no real way to find anything.  Women tend to be a bit trailer-parkish, but not terrible-looking by any means.

Catfight Haven:  Average-looking women in various fighting styles.  One of the few active companies I know of where you can occasionally find fights in dresses/skirts.  Has some different subsets including "Cruel Vixens" (short torture videos which aren't bad, though they are short), and more erotic stuff under "ShyRenee" (which didn't really impress me much).

Chaos Video:  Competitive fights with generally unskilled Russian women.  Very hit-or-miss stuff.  Usually good action, but endings leave something to be desired.

Crystal:  Real fights, usually with women whose looks are average at best.  Doesn't do much for me.

Double Trouble:  This one is all over the map, though not as good as it once was.  Far too much stuff where the focus is on one or both women's breast sizes.  Some good one-sided matches and "crotch attack" matches, especially in older days, but selling can be hit-or-miss.  Hard to judge this company overall -- goes more on a video-by-video basis.

DWW:  This was awesome stuff at its peak.  Beautiful women, often fighting in skirts, schoolgirl outfits and cheerleader uniforms, as well as more standard attire.  Definitely more technical, but could be very intense.  Not as much to write home about anymore, though.  Also includes HPC sexfight videos, which were hit-or-miss, and Tribgirls, which as I've noted above, didn't impress me due to it being completely dispassionate and mechanical.

East Coast Cats (ECC):  Seen a few of these -- matches with Pandora that were quite good (not high action, but an unusually good intensity level), and matches without Pandora that were really dull.

ECNWC:  Matches that I've seen are *really* good.  Real, high-intensity fights in street clothes.  My only real complaint about this company is that they don't offer digital downloads, and I'm not really interested in ordering DVDs.

Fighting Style:  A European company.  More technical, but decent stuff.  Suffers from a "see one match and you've pretty much seen them all" problem, though.

Foxy Combat:  Tries to be what DWW once was, but kinda lacks something that I can't really put my finger on.

Golden Girls:  Obviously an old and defunct company, but worth registering an opinion on.  Girls were usually attractive (by 80's standards), action was usually lame, though matches could occasionally be saved by a good seller.

Kontex:  A German company.  Lots of different kinds of videos, most of which I have zero interest in.  A lot of unattractive women, too.  But among the morass, there are crotch-based fights which involve attractive women actually yanking on each other's labia.  I'd say "Ouch!", but the strange part is that these women never really seem to register much pain, which takes away from it quite a bit.

Ladyfist:  Really good one-sided matches, with some really good "jobber girls".  Absynthe is the best.  Tigra is OK, but too defiant -- jobbers work better when they're more pathetic.  Aiden is an awesome dominator with her trash-talking.  Main complaint here is that the attire they fight in is really dull.

Lucha Girls:  Custom one-on-one matches with seasoned pros, sometimes in standard ring gear, sometimes in bikinis..  Seen a couple of the crotch-attack based videos, and they were quite good.

Mutiny:  Mutiny is the ultimate "five-tool" female fighter.  She can do pro-style wrestling, catfights, sexfights, and can be either a dominator or a jobber, and she does them all awesomely.  Plus she's hot.  Find stuff on her site, and buy anything from any company that she does work for (Raslingal, Carolina Catfights, Steel Kittens, APL, and probably others I'm forgetting).  You won't be disappointed.  (As an aside, the same opinion applies to Nicole Oring, though she doesn't have her own site that I know of.)

Ozone 8:  Don't think it's an active company anymore.  I've seen two videos from this company:  "Gator Bait" and "Born To Fight".  Both have fistfights which are clearly not real, but done well and sold well.  The second fight on the latter video is an all-time favorite of mine, since it features just about everything I like…Stacy's attire in that match (denim skirt, silky white panties of a size that actually leaves a little to the imagination) is top-notch.

Pro-Style Fantasies:  This is pro-style wrestling leading to sexual humiliation.  If you don't mind that, it's really good stuff.  A little surprised they don't do more stuff in non-traditional wrestling attire (it's not like they'd be lowering themselves to it given what else they're doing), but that's a minor complaint.  Some girls are better sellers than others (not surprising since the sexual aspect is more the point), though one match featuring "Princess Sovaia" (Mina Meow) had the best selling job I've ever seen.  Sadly, she was only in that one video (XCW-5), though she was in other videos by the parent company.

Raslingal:  This is basically "lesbian pro wrestling".  Two women (usually older, but not always) in a ring working a pro-style wrestling match with a lot of groping of breasts and crotches involved.  Sometimes it leans toward "fight" (where gropes are sold as painful) and sometimes leans toward "erotic" (where gropes are sold as pleasurable).  Main complaint is that there is rarely a clear winner in any of the matches, and some of the women don't really sell the crotch stuff one way or the other, which negates the point.  Largely depends on who you get.

Ring Divas:  Mostly domination pro-style wrestling matches.  Current roster isn't anywhere near as good as it once was, though.  Brooke and SoCal Val were the best jobbers in the business, though Brooke could be a little overly dramatic at times.  The various "Schoolgirl" jobbers were great, too (mostly on the attire, of course, but most of them sold pretty well, too), but they don't have such characters anymore.  Their top girls are mostly terrible sellers, though Tessa Blanchard is decent.  Offers a lot of customs.  Good overall, but not currently in its prime.

Ring Women:  Custom pro-wrestling with skilled pros.  Action is usually pretty good, but rather over-priced.  PR-068 (a jobber match with Summer Rains) is another favorite of mine, though.

Sleeper Kid:  What he does, he does well, but sleepers and KOs don't interest me  Your mileage may vary.

Soft On Demand:  This is more of a Japanese porn company, but they did produce some catfight videos which were about as close to perfect as you could get.  Never purchased a video (don't know how to, really), but have seen some stuff on various video sharing sites.  Generally involves two women in skirts fighting in a ring and trying to rip off each other's clothes.  Bad things generally happened to the losers (a part of the video which did not interest me at all), but the fights themselves were great. 

(There are other Japanese companies that I've seen clips of in various places.  In general, the Japanese are really great at dressing the girls the way I like, but it often devolves into forced sex with guys and loses my interest.  Plus, it tends to be difficult to buy such stuff digitally on this side of the Pacific.)

Steel Kittens:  Hit-or-miss, but mostly miss.  Did find a really good video with Mutiny dominating a attractive jobber named Brooke (SK-305), which is a template for the "seasoned pro putting rookie through the wringer" type of domination match, but most other SK videos I've seen aren't that great, since the losers rarely sell as well as Brooke did.

Sweetheart Video:  Another old, defunct company, but a really, really good one.  Worked matches, usually domination matches, which often featured the fighters in bikinis or white bras/panties.  Losers were usually great sellers, too.  Only complaint was when they tried to use fake blood, they really overdid it to the point of cartoonishness.  Still, would like to see a company today like this.

Triumph:  Another defunct company.  This one rarely did much for me.  Generally the women would roll around for 10-15 minutes, then one would end up winning, and that was about it.  The "Winners and Losers" videos (which basically showed the endings of various matches) were generally better than the actual fights.

Ultimate Surrender:  This is very unique.  It's basically amateur wrestling, but if you're in control, you get points for kissing, fondling and fingering your opponent.  Then the loser becomes a sex toy at the end.  They start in string bikinis, but end up naked pretty quickly.  Matches with evenly-matched women can be very dull, but matches where one is clearly superior are usually awesome for obvious reasons.

Vira's Apartment Fights:  Catfights and sexfights.  The catfights are OK, but nothing special.  I've seen three sexfight videos from this company:  one with Vira vs Kobe which was really good, and two others involving each of these two vs Candle, which sucked, since they both were basically "I'll do you, then you do me" instead of actual sexfights.

Vision Quest/Modelfight:  Another defunct company, but a good one when it was around.  Very attractive women who often fought in schoolgirl or cheerleader outfits.  Various levels of intensity.  Only problem was when they would try to do "catfights" with two women who didn't really dislike each other or have any kind of mean streak.  Still, another company that could use something like it today.

So those are the companies I've seen and my thoughts on them.  Any recommendations for companies or specific videos based on these thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 06:06:18 AM »
Ordered the DVDs from ECNWC. They have some really nasty real fights, the women REALLY getting angry with each other and going at it. Kontex labia pulling I think the doer and receiver are into S/M and like the feel of genital abuse. A few even have them latching onto pussy lips with their teeth. No apparent blood.

Fighting Wildcats and ECNWC, when their genitals are attacked, they feel it and let you know it. Extreme Wedgies produce some screams and cursing.

Vira from Vira's Apt Fights did some work with ECNWC, but decided it was too rough.

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 03:54:52 AM »

Catzreview film genuine catfights with all kinds of dirty tactics allowed - breast grabbing, stripping, wedgies etc. A lot of the fights end up nude. They end with the first submission so are usually fairly short but very intense. If you haven't seen anything from them, they are well worth checking out.

Eastcoastcats fights do vary a lot, both in intensity and the tactics used, which can be different from match to match. If you have seen a few you will already know that they don't do topless or "dirty" fighting, just straight up rules catfights. And believe me, there are ECC fights not involving Pandora which are anything but dull. There are some excellent ones mentioned in this thread:
                 http://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php/topic,37392.0.html

If you find Ultimate Surrender interesting, you should take a look at Academywrestling. The original site is gone now but LScott are re-releasing the old matches along with new stuff following the same formula. Some of the old Academy matches are just the best erotic wrestling ever filmed.


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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 05:17:03 AM »
I've seen some Academy videos, actually.  That's just wrestling followed by sex (at least what I've seen), and it didn't really interest me.  I prefer the way Ultimate Surrender blends the "sex" and the "fight" aspects.  It's unique.

I'll check out Catzreview, though.  Thanks for the suggestion.

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 10:38:19 AM »
Ozone 8 is more or less the same company as Female Fight Club and I want to say Competitive Enterprises (mostly mixed fighting). The Ozone 8 side is dead, but FFC and CE still operate.

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2014, 03:07:57 AM »
There are a lot of catfight sites around, and it's hard to know what's out there.  I figured the easiest way to find more interesting stuff is say what I think of companies I know, and see if others have thoughts on what videos/companies offer similar stuff.

Before I dive in, let me note general likes and dislikes.  If you don't share them, then your views of various companies will likely differ from mine, but that's OK.

Likes:
-- Clear winners and losers.  Humiliations and one-sided matches work well.  (Generally, this leads to a preference for "worked" fights over real ones.)
-- Losers who can "sell" well.
-- Fights in skirts or bra/panties.  Especially a sucker for white attire, but that's probably just me.
-- Aggressive action.  Hairpulling, slapping, punching, etc.  Crotch attacks are an extra plus, though I don't expect anything along these lines from a real fight.

Dislikes:
-- Mixed fighting (or anything with a guy involved).
-- Boxing.
-- Giggle fests.
-- Videos where the selling point is more about a woman's ridiculously oversized breasts than the action.
-- Sexfights are fine, but hard to do well.  Not interested in "all sex, no fight" sexfights (Tribgirls comes to mind here) or videos where the girls pretend to fight briefly and then just have sex.

So with that, here are my brief thoughts on the companies whose videos I have seen and what I think of them.

APL:  What they produce these days is very good.  Nude "extreme" fights with lots of breast and crotch attacks.  Older videos were more varied and had some decent stuff as well.

Brandenburg:  Some catfights, some sexfights.  Sexfights are better than what you'll get from most, but suffers from not really being able to determine the winner easily.  Matches also tend to be a lot longer than really necessary.

Carolina Catfights:  What I have seen of it is decent, but their website is an absolute mess.  A mountain of content with no real way to find anything.  Women tend to be a bit trailer-parkish, but not terrible-looking by any means.

Catfight Haven:  Average-looking women in various fighting styles.  One of the few active companies I know of where you can occasionally find fights in dresses/skirts.  Has some different subsets including "Cruel Vixens" (short torture videos which aren't bad, though they are short), and more erotic stuff under "ShyRenee" (which didn't really impress me much).

Chaos Video:  Competitive fights with generally unskilled Russian women.  Very hit-or-miss stuff.  Usually good action, but endings leave something to be desired.

Crystal:  Real fights, usually with women whose looks are average at best.  Doesn't do much for me.

Double Trouble:  This one is all over the map, though not as good as it once was.  Far too much stuff where the focus is on one or both women's breast sizes.  Some good one-sided matches and "crotch attack" matches, especially in older days, but selling can be hit-or-miss.  Hard to judge this company overall -- goes more on a video-by-video basis.

DWW:  This was awesome stuff at its peak.  Beautiful women, often fighting in skirts, schoolgirl outfits and cheerleader uniforms, as well as more standard attire.  Definitely more technical, but could be very intense.  Not as much to write home about anymore, though.  Also includes HPC sexfight videos, which were hit-or-miss, and Tribgirls, which as I've noted above, didn't impress me due to it being completely dispassionate and mechanical.

East Coast Cats (ECC):  Seen a few of these -- matches with Pandora that were quite good (not high action, but an unusually good intensity level), and matches without Pandora that were really dull.

ECNWC:  Matches that I've seen are *really* good.  Real, high-intensity fights in street clothes.  My only real complaint about this company is that they don't offer digital downloads, and I'm not really interested in ordering DVDs.

Fighting Style:  A European company.  More technical, but decent stuff.  Suffers from a "see one match and you've pretty much seen them all" problem, though.

Foxy Combat:  Tries to be what DWW once was, but kinda lacks something that I can't really put my finger on.

Golden Girls:  Obviously an old and defunct company, but worth registering an opinion on.  Girls were usually attractive (by 80's standards), action was usually lame, though matches could occasionally be saved by a good seller.

Kontex:  A German company.  Lots of different kinds of videos, most of which I have zero interest in.  A lot of unattractive women, too.  But among the morass, there are crotch-based fights which involve attractive women actually yanking on each other's labia.  I'd say "Ouch!", but the strange part is that these women never really seem to register much pain, which takes away from it quite a bit.

Ladyfist:  Really good one-sided matches, with some really good "jobber girls".  Absynthe is the best.  Tigra is OK, but too defiant -- jobbers work better when they're more pathetic.  Aiden is an awesome dominator with her trash-talking.  Main complaint here is that the attire they fight in is really dull.

Lucha Girls:  Custom one-on-one matches with seasoned pros, sometimes in standard ring gear, sometimes in bikinis..  Seen a couple of the crotch-attack based videos, and they were quite good.

Mutiny:  Mutiny is the ultimate "five-tool" female fighter.  She can do pro-style wrestling, catfights, sexfights, and can be either a dominator or a jobber, and she does them all awesomely.  Plus she's hot.  Find stuff on her site, and buy anything from any company that she does work for (Raslingal, Carolina Catfights, Steel Kittens, APL, and probably others I'm forgetting).  You won't be disappointed.  (As an aside, the same opinion applies to Nicole Oring, though she doesn't have her own site that I know of.)

Ozone 8:  Don't think it's an active company anymore.  I've seen two videos from this company:  "Gator Bait" and "Born To Fight".  Both have fistfights which are clearly not real, but done well and sold well.  The second fight on the latter video is an all-time favorite of mine, since it features just about everything I like…Stacy's attire in that match (denim skirt, silky white panties of a size that actually leaves a little to the imagination) is top-notch.

Pro-Style Fantasies:  This is pro-style wrestling leading to sexual humiliation.  If you don't mind that, it's really good stuff.  A little surprised they don't do more stuff in non-traditional wrestling attire (it's not like they'd be lowering themselves to it given what else they're doing), but that's a minor complaint.  Some girls are better sellers than others (not surprising since the sexual aspect is more the point), though one match featuring "Princess Sovaia" (Mina Meow) had the best selling job I've ever seen.  Sadly, she was only in that one video (XCW-5), though she was in other videos by the parent company.

Raslingal:  This is basically "lesbian pro wrestling".  Two women (usually older, but not always) in a ring working a pro-style wrestling match with a lot of groping of breasts and crotches involved.  Sometimes it leans toward "fight" (where gropes are sold as painful) and sometimes leans toward "erotic" (where gropes are sold as pleasurable).  Main complaint is that there is rarely a clear winner in any of the matches, and some of the women don't really sell the crotch stuff one way or the other, which negates the point.  Largely depends on who you get.

Ring Divas:  Mostly domination pro-style wrestling matches.  Current roster isn't anywhere near as good as it once was, though.  Brooke and SoCal Val were the best jobbers in the business, though Brooke could be a little overly dramatic at times.  The various "Schoolgirl" jobbers were great, too (mostly on the attire, of course, but most of them sold pretty well, too), but they don't have such characters anymore.  Their top girls are mostly terrible sellers, though Tessa Blanchard is decent.  Offers a lot of customs.  Good overall, but not currently in its prime.

Ring Women:  Custom pro-wrestling with skilled pros.  Action is usually pretty good, but rather over-priced.  PR-068 (a jobber match with Summer Rains) is another favorite of mine, though.

Sleeper Kid:  What he does, he does well, but sleepers and KOs don't interest me  Your mileage may vary.

Soft On Demand:  This is more of a Japanese porn company, but they did produce some catfight videos which were about as close to perfect as you could get.  Never purchased a video (don't know how to, really), but have seen some stuff on various video sharing sites.  Generally involves two women in skirts fighting in a ring and trying to rip off each other's clothes.  Bad things generally happened to the losers (a part of the video which did not interest me at all), but the fights themselves were great.  

(There are other Japanese companies that I've seen clips of in various places.  In general, the Japanese are really great at dressing the girls the way I like, but it often devolves into forced sex with guys and loses my interest.  Plus, it tends to be difficult to buy such stuff digitally on this side of the Pacific.)

Steel Kittens:  Hit-or-miss, but mostly miss.  Did find a really good video with Mutiny dominating a attractive jobber named Brooke (SK-305), which is a template for the "seasoned pro putting rookie through the wringer" type of domination match, but most other SK videos I've seen aren't that great, since the losers rarely sell as well as Brooke did.

Sweetheart Video:  Another old, defunct company, but a really, really good one.  Worked matches, usually domination matches, which often featured the fighters in bikinis or white bras/panties.  Losers were usually great sellers, too.  Only complaint was when they tried to use fake blood, they really overdid it to the point of cartoonishness.  Still, would like to see a company today like this.

Triumph:  Another defunct company.  This one rarely did much for me.  Generally the women would roll around for 10-15 minutes, then one would end up winning, and that was about it.  The "Winners and Losers" videos (which basically showed the endings of various matches) were generally better than the actual fights.

Ultimate Surrender:  This is very unique.  It's basically amateur wrestling, but if you're in control, you get points for kissing, fondling and fingering your opponent.  Then the loser becomes a sex toy at the end.  They start in string bikinis, but end up naked pretty quickly.  Matches with evenly-matched women can be very dull, but matches where one is clearly superior are usually awesome for obvious reasons.

Vira's Apartment Fights:  Catfights and sexfights.  The catfights are OK, but nothing special.  I've seen three sexfight videos from this company:  one with Vira vs Kobe which was really good, and two others involving each of these two vs Candle, which sucked, since they both were basically "I'll do you, then you do me" instead of actual sexfights.

Vision Quest/Modelfight:  Another defunct company, but a good one when it was around.  Very attractive women who often fought in schoolgirl or cheerleader outfits.  Various levels of intensity.  Only problem was when they would try to do "catfights" with two women who didn't really dislike each other or have any kind of mean streak.  Still, another company that could use something like it today.

So those are the companies I've seen and my thoughts on them.  Any recommendations for companies or specific videos based on these thoughts?

Bigz, I’ve been having a closer look at the ”Likes” paragraph in your post. Based on that, I have a couple of recommendations for you.
Before the miracle known as the internet entered my life, for a period of about 5 years, I used to buy VHS tapes of scripted catfights by the US producers, Golden Girls and American Angels, from a video store in my home town. The fights all followed more or less the same formula: Two pretty, bikini clad girls, both with a lot of cocky “attitude” who, for some unknown reason, just didn’t like each other at all, would catfight to a submission, either in a ring or on a wrestling mat.
After the submission, which would always be emotional and emphatic, the loser would lie there on the floor, looking completely crushed and beaten, while the winner stood or knelt beside her, sometimes rubbing in her victory with a bit of mocking trash-talk, sometimes just staring down at her beaten foe with an expression of mingled triumph and contempt on her pretty face.  I absolutely loved those fights.

When I came on line in 2007 and found out just how many producers of real female combat there were out there, I started exploring the wonderful world I had discovered. I found real life, unscripted fights, the like of which I thought could only exist in my imagination.
The stuff I saw just blew me away, but I was always hoping that one day I would find a genuine competitive catfight which had all the elements of the those scripted fights I had grown to love back in the dark ages, before the web lit up my life.
An ECC fight, Irish vs Johanna, comes closer to that than anything else I’ve seen. It’s like four mini Golden Girls fights in one half hour video. For me, pure catfight heaven. Another of Irish’s fights, her rematch with Regina, ECC-44, has a lot of the same elements. And in other ways, is even better. Based on what you wrote, I think you would enjoy both.
http://www.eastcoastcats.com/ECC42PREV/ECC42.htm
http://www.eastcoastcats.com/ECC44PREV/44prev.htm

You say you like catfights in skirts. You should check out the Catzreview fight Jinx vs Kat, The Second Rematch. Both girls wear evening dresses which stay on through out the match. It’s a fairly short and and very decisive fight which ends with a great hair pulling submission. After the submission the winner gives a wild clenched fist victory salute to the camera, still sitting astride her victim and pulling her head back by the pony tail.  It’s one of the best endings I’ve seen to an unscripted fight.

Catzreview have two Clips4sale stores. If you want to have a look at that fight you will find it here:

http://www.clips4sale.com/store/24753
« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 03:13:26 AM by kafkod »

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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 03:16:42 AM »
Thanks for the suggestions.  I appreciate them, and I checked out a couple of the videos you mentioned.  The Jinx/Kat fight from Catzreview was pretty good, but really short.  The Irish-Johanna ECC match was kinda "meh" for me...the ending of each fall was OK, but the lead-up to them was mostly a feeling out process -- you wait for something to happen, and by the time it does, that's pretty much it.  That's why I tend to like "worked" matches better, with good selling and longer matches.

That said, I don't know if you've seen some of the older DWW stuff, but those are some real matches that are a lot more intense and action-filled than the ECC videos.  Look for anything featuring Jana N, Luzia, Barbara or Antonia (for starters, there were other good ones, too).

I may go to the general discussion thread and do a couple of specific video reviews in the next week or so, mostly for the same purpose as this thread.

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Re: Seeking Companies Similar To Known Ones
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 06:57:10 AM »
I've seen more than a "few" of ECC's fights, and many are intense. The recent Tori/Kyra fight is very intense with lots of hard slapping. I own maybe 200 to 250 videos from some of the companies mentioned in this thread, and that fight is my favorite slapping fight. Irish had several intense fights (Regina #2, Bianca and Blair are three). Irish's fight with Johanna is real good,  and I love the submissions Johanna gained. I especially loved the last submission where Johanna used her legs to brace Irish while pulling her hair. Hollie/Inara, Hollie/Maggie are both excellent fights. Inara/Jessie is very intense with vicious body punching. The body punching in that fight is as hard as any I've seen in any of my videos. Last night I watched again the Jessie/Desiree fight which has vicious hair pulling,  and is definitely intense. I attended that fight, and the amount of hair on the floor after the fight was unbelievable. Kyla had two intense fights at ECC. Dani's second fight at ECC is intense, and I don't mean the one with Pandora. John at ECC lets them fight, and hires a lot of women who are new to this. Several are girly in their fighting style, but there are many terrific ones who fight with intensity.  I own over 50 of ECC's videos.  I almost attended Camille vs. Cat but wasn't able to, and the hair pulling in that video was off the charts, and very intense. You get a real variety at ECC, and like any company with a lot of videos many are not intense, but it's nice to see a company that allows real fighting, and hires so many new women to the fighting world.  Anyone who has seen several of ECC's videos, not just a "few", knows there are also a lot with intense fighting.  
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Re: Seeking Companies Similar To Known Ones
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 04:02:38 PM »
Another thing I like about ECC is if you ask John about one of his videos and how good it is, he will tell you. He has told me about some he thinks are really good, and he also has told me about ones he thought weren't that good.  He told me that Lexie's fight with Paige was not that good, but I bought it anyway just to see sexy Lexie. I really liked that fight cause I like face slapping in girl fights.
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Re: Seeking Companies Similar To Known Ones
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2014, 12:42:50 AM »
Just to clarify, my point in this post isn't to debate what companies are better than other ones, nor to pass judgment on any.  I'm just looking to find videos similar to the sorts of things I like.  That said, I realize that it probably works better on a video-by-video basis as opposed to a company-by-company one, so I'll be posting some reviews on another area of this board fairly soon.

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Re: Seeking Companies Similar To Known Ones
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 02:39:35 AM »
I've seen more than a "few" of ECC's fights, and many are intense. The recent Tori/Kyra fight is very intense with lots of hard slapping. I own maybe 200 to 250 videos from some of the companies mentioned in this thread, and that fight is my favorite slapping fight. Irish had several intense fights (Regina #2, Bianca and Blair are three). Irish's fight with Johanna is real good,  and I love the submissions Johanna gained. I especially loved the last submission where Johanna used her legs to brace Irish while pulling her hair. Hollie/Inara, Hollie/Maggie are both excellent fights. Inara/Jessie is very intense with vicious body punching. The body punching in that fight is as hard as any I've seen in any of my videos. Last night I watched again the Jessie/Desiree fight which has vicious hair pulling,  and is definitely intense. I attended that fight, and the amount of hair on the floor after the fight was unbelievable. Kyla had two intense fights at ECC. Dani's second fight at ECC is intense, and I don't mean the one with Pandora. John at ECC lets them fight, and hires a lot of women who are new to this. Several are girly in their fighting style, but there are many terrific ones who fight with intensity.  I own over 50 of ECC's videos.  I almost attended Camille vs. Cat but wasn't able to, and the hair pulling in that video was off the charts, and very intense. You get a real variety at ECC, and like any company with a lot of videos many are not intense, but it's nice to see a company that allows real fighting, and hires so many new women to the fighting world.  Anyone who has seen several of ECC's videos, not just a "few", knows there are also a lot with intense fighting.  

You made a good a good point there, Walker, about the variety you see in ECC fights, one I’ve made here myself several times. And you mentioned some great matches too. I vividly remember that submission in the Irish/Johanna match you described. But it wasn’t actually the last one of the fight. There was another after it, when it looked like Johanna almost dislocated Irish’s shoulder with a leg lock when Irish tried to roll away from her in the closing seconds, and kind of left one of her arms behind. That did look painful.

Thanks for the suggestions.  I appreciate them, and I checked out a couple of the videos you mentioned.  The Jinx/Kat fight from Catzreview was pretty good, but really short.  The Irish-Johanna ECC match was kinda "meh" for me...the ending of each fall was OK, but the lead-up to them was mostly a feeling out process -- you wait for something to happen, and by the time it does, that's pretty much it.  That's why I tend to like "worked" matches better, with good selling and longer matches.

Bigz, I hope you enjoyed the action at the end of the falls in that fight enough to not blame me because I didn’t mention the “feeling out” process which happens at the beginning of each. When I read your list of things you like to see in a catfight, it was so similar to my own taste that I assumed that, if I liked a particular fight, you would like it too. And I actually enjoy the “feeling out” of the opposition which always seems to happen in real fights between inexperienced, untrained girls, when they just circle each other for a while, pushing, shoving, talking trash, etc.
But it seems that, with catfight fans, no matter how much we may agree about some aspects of the genre, there will always be something else we disagree on just as much.
Reading what you wrote there, I wish I’d recommended my second pick, Irish vs Regina-2, more strongly than I did. I’m sure now you would have liked it a lot more.
There’s no “feeling out” in Irish vs Johanna-2. They did all of that in their first fight. In the rematch, they just get stuck in to each other from the word go. It’s non stop action all the way, even when one begins to grind the other down, and the submissions start coming.
And believe me there was no need for the loser of this fight  to “sell” anything. I’ve never seen a girl looking more crushed, despondant and beaten in a studio produced match than the loser of this one. Especially with her rival taunting and gloating over her after some of the submissions.
It looked like she was crying after one fall, and had obviously been crying before her post match interview also, probably in the arms of her boyfriend. I was so fascninated by the intense competitive atmosphere around this fight that I sent John an email asking him about it. He told me that both ladies were incredibly motivated to win, after the first fight, and brought their boyfriends to the studio to support them in the rematch, which obviously upped the stakes considerably.
Another high intensity fight, with some ferocious face slapping, is Lexie vs Johanna. Many fans rate this as the best ever from ECC. And while it isn’t my own personal favourite, I can well understand why others like it so much. Tori vs Kira, a more recent release, is another very popular fight.

Regarding Catzreview, I’m glad you enjoyed Kat vs Jinx, short though it may be. Other good ones from the Catz are Crystal vs Ulyana, the two fights between G Star and Hot Rocker, the first between Kat and Killer Sex, and the 4th and last fight between G Star and Monica. All good, intense, and very real catfights.

And btw, if you are going to post reviews, this is the section most people use to do that, rather than the General Discussions section. Look forward to reading some of them.


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Re: Seeking Companies Similar To Known Ones
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2014, 07:53:46 PM »
Don't worry...I'm not upset at all about your suggestions.  They were just fine, and I appreciate them.  I merely offered my own opinion in comparison in an attempt to fine-tune what I seek.  Also, a slight mea culpa:  I probably should have watched more than the first two falls of the Irish-Johanna match.  The last two falls were better, though I've still seen better from ECC and elsewhere.

I have seen good stuff from ECC, and it's not my intent to judge the company as a whole.  The thing about real fights is that they can be hit-or-miss.  It's why some people like UFC and others prefer pro wrestling.

I have posted the first of my reviews, in which I review four different "squash" match videos.  I'll likely post more with different themes fairly soon.

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Re: Seeking Companies Similar To Known Ones
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2014, 04:09:28 AM »
Don't worry...I'm not upset at all about your suggestions.  They were just fine, and I appreciate them.  I merely offered my own opinion in comparison in an attempt to fine-tune what I seek.  Also, a slight mea culpa:  I probably should have watched more than the first two falls of the Irish-Johanna match.  The last two falls were better, though I've still seen better from ECC and elsewhere.

I have seen good stuff from ECC, and it's not my intent to judge the company as a whole.  The thing about real fights is that they can be hit-or-miss.  It's why some people like UFC and others prefer pro wrestling.

I have posted the first of my reviews, in which I review four different "squash" match videos.  I'll likely post more with different themes fairly soon.

I’m glad you liked Irish/Johanna more after you watched the whole match, and I didn’t talk you into wasting your money there.

But I didn’t mention that fight because I thought it was the best from ECC, though it is one of my own personal favourites. I just thought that, in many ways, it mirrors the themes and images you often see in scripted matches. Eg, the cocky, over-confident girl who ends up losing badly, the emphatic submissions, and the contrasting emotions visible in the facial expressions and body language of the two fighters after each one.
And while there was no humiliation of the loser, there was also no doubt at all that defeat was a very humbling experience for her. Irish and Johanna obviously didn’t like each other very much at all.

I read the reviews you put up. I did enjoy scripted fights myself, at one time, but nowadays I'm addicted to the real thing. The reason is that I've become fascinated by the emotional and psychological aspect of female combat, by what goes on inside a woman's head when she fights, insofar as it's possible to know that, of course.
If you can mention some real fights which you think come closest to mirroring the scripted scenarios you described in your reviews, that would be very interesting.