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General Category => General Discussion about Catfights => Topic started by: jaybee on January 28, 2021, 07:44:38 AM
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So I just finished a discussion on another thread which got me thinking... Is Sarah Brook the catfight G.O.A.T (Greatest of all time)?
She's fought literally for every major company (in the states) and has an insane win/loss record. In fact I've only seen her loose one real catfight. She's done more in 6yrs than most catfighters have in multiple decades real or scripted so whether or not you enjoy her fights should she get that title? She's not my personal favorite but I give credit where credit is due. If not Sarah who do you guys/girls think qualifies as G.O.A.T material?
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Ariel X
Holly Holm
Sugar Ray Renee
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Ariel X
Holly Holm
Sugar Ray Renee
-Ariel X is DEFINITELY worthy to be given consideration as GOAT!
-Sugar Ray Renee?... she's good and had a long career but I don't think her resume is versatile enough to categorize her as GOAT. Hall of fame?... DEFINITELY, but not GOAT (IMO)
-As far as Holly Holmes goes DEFINITELY a fight legend but I'm talking about the catfight/fantasy fight business only.
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blake mitchell might make the list also
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If we’re talking fantasy catfighters then the list will likely be long and distinguished due to the unique tastes of all on this site. I’ve always enjoyed Goldie Blair, who puts on both realistic (vs Fiona) and sexy (vs Christina) scraps. Tammy prefers Renee from CatfightHaven for similar reasons. Tim
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To narrow down the selections I'll add the guide lines that to qualify as GOAT you have to have performed for numerous companies and preformed in different genres of catfighting ex. Real catfights/wrestling (ECNWC type, competitive wrestling , or even pro-wrestling), fantasy/scripted, bonus points for WAM wrestling. Performing in all the above is a REAL +, also years active, and popularity.
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Nadege, Veve, Raquel from Seattle, Kathy Gifford
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I gotta say Sugar Ray Renee. She was so tough they used to make her fight up one weight class just to make it fair.
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I gotta say Sugar Ray Renee. She was so tough they used to make her fight up one weight class just to make it fair.
The only 80's LA Catfight Model I'd maybe name would be Robin. All the other girls did 90% scripted matches. Renee did some real competitive matches but most was scripted.
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There’s several imo. There’s not one top.
Lisa-Marie is probably the first one who pops into my mind.
Sarah Brooke is probably the current GOAT
Ariel X is probably the GOAT of the past Decade
Francesca Le is probably the GOAT of scripted fights
Tina/Robin are probably two GOATs who are in the smaller weight category
For me Lisa-Marie is probably the greatest imo. She was literally a pioneer across all of the genre. I’m not sure though how she’d fair in a ECNWC type match that we see today but I’m pretty sure she would still wreck house if she was in her prime like the other women.
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... Veve...
Veve... The best pantyhose catfights ever!
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There’s several imo. There’s not one top.
Lisa-Marie is probably the first one who pops into my mind.
Sarah Brooke is probably the current GOAT
Ariel X is probably the GOAT of the past Decade
Francesca Le is probably the GOAT of scripted fights
Tina/Robin are probably two GOATs who are in the smaller weight category
For me Lisa-Marie is probably the greatest imo. She was literally a pioneer across all of the genre. I’m not sure though how she’d fair in a ECNWC type match that we see today but I’m pretty sure she would still wreck house if she was in her prime like the other women.
Lisa-Marie?... The tall redhead Aussie(?) from back in the day? If we're talking about the same woman I was in LOVE with her! She fought for so many companies calisupreme, DT, TPC. She even did a few scripted clothes ripping catfights for Crystalfilms! Too bad she didn't do all out real catfights but she did a lot of competitive wrestling around the globe.
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Kelli Wildcat won every fight she ever did except against a blonde one time
Agree Lisa Marie destroyed her opponents and only lost a few times. Gorgeous as well
Robin who mostly did Joan wise beat every woman she ever faced except for a muscular blonde
I think Alexa Brooke who recently retired was amazing but not a goat
Fighting dolls mariles is a thick blonde who wrecks nearly all her opponents
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I would love to see Sarah Brooke take on Kim-ly from fighting dolls. That would be a real title fight.
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Kelli Wildcat won every fight she ever did except against a blonde one time
Agree Lisa Marie destroyed her opponents and only lost a few times. Gorgeous as well
Robin who mostly did Joan wise beat every woman she ever faced except for a muscular blonde
I think Alexa Brooke who recently retired was amazing but not a goat
Fighting dolls mariles is a thick blonde who wrecks nearly all her opponents
WAIT WAIT WAIT.... HOLD UP!! ???
Alexa Brooke... the girl who fought for Suitfights and just recently Tilly has retired ALREADY!? She was becoming a big deal, what happened? Why the quick exit?
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I would love to see Sarah Brooke take on Kim-ly from fighting dolls. That would be a real title fight.
As much as I love Sarah, I think Kim-Ly would be out of her league. Those girls at fighting dolls are ripped and on another level, especially Kim-Ly and Andy. I'll say this though... would love to see them in a real anything goes catfight where they couldn't rely just on wrestling skills.
To me the best international opponent for Sarah would be Pandora from Catz Review. Both girls are smoking hot and Pandora can absolutely slap with the best of them. Her ground game is also good so her and Sarah would be an absolute blast.
Back to the topic, I'd like to mention Treena Collins and Nancy Novak as well. They were amazing back in the 80s. Treena even had one ECNWC fight where she took down the undefeated Heidi.
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I would love to see Sarah Brooke take on Kim-ly from fighting dolls. That would be a real title fight.
As much as I love Sarah, I think Kim-Ly would be out of her league. Those girls at fighting dolls are ripped and on another level, especially Kim-Ly and Andy. I'll say this though... would love to see them in a real anything goes catfight where they couldn't rely just on wrestling skills.
To me the best international opponent for Sarah would be Pandora from Catz Review. Both girls are smoking hot and Pandora can absolutely slap with the best of them. Her ground game is also good so her and Sarah would be an absolute blast.
Back to the topic, I'd like to mention Treena Collins and Nancy Novak as well. They were amazing back in the 80s. Treena even had one ECNWC fight where she took down the undefeated Heidi.
Few things:
1) Kim-Ly and Andi’s wrestling skills are actually not the greatest in that league. They consistently have been best by Luna when it’s only a pins and wrestling match. Where they dominate is in (Central European) catfighting with hair pulling and only submissions count. When it comes to pins and wrestling they’re okay. But the weight advantage the girls would have over Sarah would be immense. They easily weigh between 140-160 lbs. I totally doubt the stats on the sites. Luna has to be at least 160+ a better matchup for them would be Sexywife (although I think she recently retired due to a hacking incident), Sahyre (honestly Sahyre would absolutely destroy any of the European girls) and Lyric (same applies to her as well she’d own them). The reason I say that is because American Catfights right now are probably the most brutal they’ve been since Crystal/ECNWC and to my knowledge every girl with exception of Ingrid, and Nadege that came from the DWW style of wrestling/catfighting has avidly avoided those rough matches. Catz Review and UK bitch fight are definitely more in line with what America producers are doing today; although SoCal Catfights right now is literally just brawls and I don’t think it gets much higher in intensity than they are right now.
2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit. The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark. There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground. Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena. She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards. It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.
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2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit. The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark. There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground. Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena. She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards. It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.
Do you by any chance have the full video? I've only seen what was on ECNWC CF-37 and in that video they had Heidi do an interview before and after the fight, but like you said it was rather short and it made it look like Treena had won the fight. Heidi said she banged her head on the floor and I thought that was the end right there. There was rumors that they had a rematch, but I emailed the ECNWC owner recently and he said that was their only fight. If you still have the full fight I would love to see it, plz pm me and we can work something out. I collect Heidi fights so seeing her come back and win over Treena would be awesome to see, especially since I've never seen Treena dominated before.
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In my book LaDawn and Champagne get high marks for their aggressive catfighting style. Both fought for California Wildcats.
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Interesting subject, pretty much impossible to answer of course..
For competitive wrestling, Raquel, Ziggy, Helen Von Mott, Bea Goffin, Nadege, Kasie Cavanaugh...
For brawling, Andy and Petra (FD), Wildcat Kelli, lady Ellen, Dangerous Deb ( though I know very little about her)...
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2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit. The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark. There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground. Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena. She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards. It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.
Do you by any chance have the full video? I've only seen what was on ECNWC CF-37 and in that video they had Heidi do an interview before and after the fight, but like you said it was rather short and it made it look like Treena had won the fight. Heidi said she banged her head on the floor and I thought that was the end right there. There was rumors that they had a rematch, but I emailed the ECNWC owner recently and he said that was their only fight. If you still have the full fight I would love to see it, plz pm me and we can work something out. I collect Heidi fights so seeing her come back and win over Treena would be awesome to see, especially since I've never seen Treena dominated before.
Unfortunately I do not. When ECNWC was around I wasn’t old enough for a credit card. I know this because about 3-4 years ago on VK there was a pirated copy that had “76” in the title and it was the full match. It was split into 2 parts. The first part is the pirated copy you see today. The second is the part I’m referring to. I have gone back to try and find it but there was a massive purge in VK about 4 years ago and that’s when everyone moved over to Pornhub. But since I got a credit card I now just buy everything to support producers—but that’s where I saw it.
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Unfortunately I do not. When ECNWC was around I wasn’t old enough for a credit card. I know this because about 3-4 years ago on VK there was a pirated copy that had “76” in the title and it was the full match. It was split into 2 parts. The first part is the pirated copy you see today. The second is the part I’m referring to. I have gone back to try and find it but there was a massive purge in VK about 4 years ago and that’s when everyone moved over to Pornhub. But since I got a credit card I now just buy everything to support producers—but that’s where I saw it.
Sadly, unless you know someone that has it, it's impossible to buy anything from ECNWC. I found out about them late(Jemma vs Brooke was my first video) so I wasn't able to get much of a collection going. Contacted the owner by email recently(actually emailed me back about a certain fight), but he never answered me about buying videos from him. It doesn't sound like he's interested in selling anything and people have said that this was just a hobby for him.
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In the Scenario Fight Category, I'd chose Malay, just for the sheer volume and quality of her work. She didn't always fare too well in her real matches at the Hellfire Club -- usually against younger women, but the stuff that she produced for Crystal was outstanding.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Venus Delight. She did mostly scripted catfights but in her early years she proved that she could really wrestle with her matches for Video Sports Limited. Venus was one of the industry pioneers with her work for California Wildcats in the 1980's and she performed for multiple companies for a about 2-3 decades. She was one of the most beautiful and sexiest looking women ever in the industry who won a couple of Miss Nude Universe pageants I believe.
As to the most physically strong and dominant catfighter and wrestler, I think I'd go with Ariel X. I don't think some of the others mentioned above could beat her.
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Alecia Ames! Great body and would fight anyone. Sexy tough and dirty.
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For brawling, Andy and Petra (FD), Wildcat Kelli, lady Ellen, Dangerous Deb ( though I know very little about her)...
Are you talking about the big blonde woman from Crystal Films? I don't think she lost a fight the entire time there, but she also didn't really fight anyone with the same skills as her. Candy was the closest fight, although she was shorter and out of shape.
Another one to throw into the mix is Steel Rose from TanyaKicks. I just recently went back and watched her match against Ikira called Blood Feud and damn she was tough as nails. Not only could she dish out the punishment, but she could take it too.
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For brawling, Andy and Petra (FD), Wildcat Kelli, lady Ellen, Dangerous Deb ( though I know very little about her)...
Are you talking about the big blonde woman from Crystal Films? I don't think she lost a fight the entire time there, but she also didn't really fight anyone with the same skills as her. Candy was the closest fight, although she was shorter and out of shape.
Another one to throw into the mix is Steel Rose from TanyaKicks. I just recently went back and watched her match against Ikira called Blood Feud and damn she was tough as nails. Not only could she dish out the punishment, but she could take it too.
Yes, i think we’re talking about the same week woman. I don’t know if she fought elsewhere.
And speaking of TanyaKicks, what about Tanya herself?
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I would love to see Sarah Brooke take on Kim-ly from fighting dolls. That would be a real title fight.
As much as I love Sarah, I think Kim-Ly would be out of her league. Those girls at fighting dolls are ripped and on another level, especially Kim-Ly and Andy. I'll say this though... would love to see them in a real anything goes catfight where they couldn't rely just on wrestling skills.
To me the best international opponent for Sarah would be Pandora from Catz Review. Both girls are smoking hot and Pandora can absolutely slap with the best of them. Her ground game is also good so her and Sarah would be an absolute blast.
Back to the topic, I'd like to mention Treena Collins and Nancy Novak as well. They were amazing back in the 80s. Treena even had one ECNWC fight where she took down the undefeated Heidi.
Few things:
1) Kim-Ly and Andi’s wrestling skills are actually not the greatest in that league. They consistently have been best by Luna when it’s only a pins and wrestling match. Where they dominate is in (Central European) catfighting with hair pulling and only submissions count. When it comes to pins and wrestling they’re okay. But the weight advantage the girls would have over Sarah would be immense. They easily weigh between 140-160 lbs. I totally doubt the stats on the sites. Luna has to be at least 160+ a better matchup for them would be Sexywife (although I think she recently retired due to a hacking incident), Sahyre (honestly Sahyre would absolutely destroy any of the European girls) and Lyric (same applies to her as well she’d own them). The reason I say that is because American Catfights right now are probably the most brutal they’ve been since Crystal/ECNWC and to my knowledge every girl with exception of Ingrid, and Nadege that came from the DWW style of wrestling/catfighting has avidly avoided those rough matches. Catz Review and UK bitch fight are definitely more in line with what America producers are doing today; although SoCal Catfights right now is literally just brawls and I don’t think it gets much higher in intensity than they are right now.
2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit. The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark. There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground. Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena. She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards. It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.
Not true. You have the order reversed. After Heidi gets her head banged, both women remove their stockings and continue fighting. Treena continued to dominate Heidi. Heidi had success at first, which is when both women were wearing stockings.
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With regards to the whole Heidi/Treena thing, I think I remember Treena ultimately getting the win, but hot though Treena was, most of her fights weren't actually real and I'm not convinced Heidi was that great either.
G.O.A.T. for me had to be Nadege. She could wrestle, she could brawl, she'd do the more scripted side of things well if she had to, and she would travel and fight anywhere. She fought the DWW girls, she went to Canada and fought the Tanyakicks girls. RIP to an absolute legend.
If she'd lived a few years more I'm sure she'd have loved to have fought the likes of Sarah Brooke, Ariel X, and basically any of the big names from the current period, and I think she'd beat them all.
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I think sarah is today
but I have to put a mention in for Tina Antman. She did catfights, real and scripted. Wrestled, sometimes against stronger opponents, she also boxed and she had a body to die for
There is also Jenn who fought for ecnwc and wbi as well as others, a great catfighter, superb tits and ass and he4 finishing smother move was awesome
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Well, there was also Dakota, she also participated from staged to normal catfight. She injured her back and was unable to continue fighting.
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With regards to the whole Heidi/Treena thing, I think I remember Treena ultimately getting the win, but hot though Treena was, most of her fights weren't actually real and I'm not convinced Heidi was that great either.
G.O.A.T. for me had to be Nadege. She could wrestle, she could brawl, she'd do the more scripted side of things well if she had to, and she would travel and fight anywhere. She fought the DWW girls, she went to Canada and fought the Tanyakicks girls. RIP to an absolute legend.
If she'd lived a few years more I'm sure she'd have loved to have fought the likes of Sarah Brooke, Ariel X, and basically any of the big names from the current period, and I think she'd beat them all.
Treena had a few real fights. She lost to Beatrice Goffin 3x, and Joan Wise twice. She was easily beaten by Robin, Belinda Belle, Morgan Steele, and Nicole Norris.
The only wins I have watched were against Luna Winter, Alexa Clarke, Heidi, and an 18 year old novice. She wrestled Tracy Turner twice. One fight was cut short due to a nosebleed, the other was a tossup.
So her win-loss record as far as I know is 4-9. Not very good, especially considering she was bigger than most of her opponents.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Venus Delight. She did mostly scripted catfights but in her early years she proved that she could really wrestle with her matches for Video Sports Limited. Venus was one of the industry pioneers with her work for California Wildcats in the 1980's and she performed for multiple companies for a about 2-3 decades.
Not to be mean, but the biggest thing 30-something and 40-something Venus had working against her is that 20-something Venus had bona fide movie star good looks--her curly hair, her perfect face, her supermodel body. It just faded on her so fast--I don't know if it was too much partying or hard living or perhaps an illness. It's hard to look at her and not remember her from Violent Grudge 1 and what a bombshell she was. (Heck, at the start of Violent Grudge 1, she's in bed in a bathrobe, with a drink, and a full ash tray.)
Stacy Burke and Tanya Danielle near a similar burden, but not much much as Venus. Even the 9 version of them can't hold a candle to when they were Perfect 10's.
Oh, and the GOAT: Nikki Darling.
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Is Sarah Brook the catfight G.O.A.T (Greatest of all time)?
In fact I've only seen her loose one real catfight.
I've always been a girl wrestling fan over cat fighting so I haven't followed the cat fighting section of our hobby like you guys. The exception was ECNWC stuff which I loved with my favorite CD they put out was titled 'Three Shorter Fights' which had what I think was Jenn and Vira's cameo appearance in the catfight business ( they fought each other ). There was another on there that had a blonde screaming her submission to a Hispanic girl in only about a minute into the fight from a nasty pussy grab which really got my attention ... never saw such a brutal, primal attack like back then.
Recently I found out about Suite Fights from this forum and you guys . Immediately fell for Sarah but seeing limited amounts of her stuff I can't say - and doubt - she's the 'best ever' ... but loved everything I saw of her so far. So far I never saw her lose and some of her wins I saw were 'gifts' or questionable as they ended in weird ways with the win going to her. I'm saying this and she's my favorite CFer right now. You said she lost - who was that against and who was the producer ?
One girl who I thought was only a fantasy / scripted fighter before seeing her really fight is Pamela from Italian Female Wrestling. I then read where see is rated as one of the best in the world at it and after seeing a couple of her serious fights, she's got to be up there in rank ... absolutely frightening when she's in full blown fight / hair pulling mode. Holy Shit !! :o I guess it's why she and her friend Bianca are no longer invited back to Fighting Dolls.
I immediately wanted to buy some of her IFW catfights ( vs Lara especially ) after seeing her beat Tiger without from Female Combat Stars but IFW's $50.00 a fight was a little more than I wanted to spend on a fight. I was also shocked that that girl Lara was tough enough to fight her ... she was another I thought was just fantasy / scripted until seeing some previews on IFW.
What are your opinions on Pamela ? You guys are all way better versed than me with these CF girls, have any of you seen her lose a REAL fight ? I'm surprised she wasn't listed in your 'best' list of girls. Do I have her over rated ?
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I think ya gotta break this out by category, I said that before:
All time GOAT: Lisa Marie. She did it all with exception of modern day unscripted she faded out of the scene just when ECNWC started which inspired the modern producers of today
Most talented: Ariel X or Nadege. Nadege just because she was so fundamentally sound and sexy and Ariel X because she literally I don’t think if you took her in her prime at Kink would be beaten by many women like at all. She just was too athletic and aggressive.
Best scripted: Francesca Le. Easily probably the biggest name in DT with the most staying power. She was in so many companies but she easily was the most appealing scripted
Current GOAT: Sarah Brooke. Sexy as heck, strong, and determined. She never seems to lose even tho I think there’s 1 or 2 fights. But she was still steamrolling everyone even into last year she dominated Reagan every time and I thought Reagan was great. Although for some reason Charlie Mancini gave her a hard time if she had a higher pain threshold she would’ve won and dominated her but she was always a curvy glass canon adult star with a small penchant for wrestling.
There’s a ton more like Jana N, Luzia, Belinda Belle, Treena Colins, Tina Antman, Robin, and I’d say Keri Spectrum to round them out.
But for me it’s always gonna be Lisa Marie number 1 she was just so tall and strong and she would whoop people with her headlocks and scissors.
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Ariel X because she literally I don’t think if you took her in her prime at Kink would be beaten by many women like at all. She just was too athletic and aggressive.
Ariel X is up there but I'm pretty sure VeVe beat her wrestling without too much trouble.
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Make her fight in socal and you'll see she will have 0 wins.
All she can do is grapple, as soon as she gets hit hard its RIP.
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Belinda Belle, by far.
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Belinda Belle, by far.
Huge star of late 80s abd early 90s.
Reminded me of kelly bundy. Havent seen a recent picture of her
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Yes, for twenty years she was the undisputed queen of semi-competitive wrestling, catfighting, and scripted.
Her successors, Hollywood and Francesca, have been great, but they haven't reached her level as real fighters or stars
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Belinda Belle, by far.
She got her ass kicked by Pam Manning in a topless boxing match once.
No shame in that, but no G.O.A.T. ever gets her ass kicked.
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Yes, I understand your opinion. Indeed, Belinda lost twice and won twice against Pam Manning, once in wrestling, twice in boxing and once in catfight.
To me, GOAT is the biggest star in the business in history. And she is.
Maybe not the strongest or best fighter, but the biggest star.
Over the years, many well-known professional girls from different companies have told me the same thing.
Belinda is the top legend.
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I have seen many mention Ariel X as one of the greats.
I really like her, but her top rival in Ultimate Surrender, Vendetta, made her her puppy almost every time they fought, alone or in pairs.
Vendetta was her Nemesis.
And in my opinion, sexier too.
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Well, there was also Dakota, she also participated from staged to normal catfight. She injured her back and was unable to continue fighting.
I totally agree. Dakota fought in all genres from fantasy to real. I always wondered what happened to her. Never found anything about her personal history either.
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Well, there was also Dakota, she also participated from staged to normal catfight. She injured her back and was unable to continue fighting.
I totally agree. Dakota fought in all genres from fantasy to real. I always wondered what happened to her. Never found anything about her personal history either.
I don't know much, and of course I should have asked her personally before, now her mail doesn't work.I'm talking to a producer who worked with her, that's what he said :::::I agree with your feelings about Dakota. She is a fearless, talented and sweet woman. Of all the women I've worked with over the years, she was the least difficult. Unfortunately, a few years ago she had an accident at work, and now she lives with a bad back. The same thing happened with Faye, and fighting and/or sexual fights would be painful. Faye fell on the concrete shortly before CF008, and in my opinion that's why she lost to Jocelyn that day. She was in a lot of pain.
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There's a lot of great names mentioned. Belinda Belle, and Dakota are LEGENDS but all of them rose to fame over a long period of time, Sarah got to legendary status in under 10yrs and from an insane grind and work ethic. She put more work in into her first year than most have in 5 and has just started slowing down (I think). Plus the only time I've seen her in real trouble was against Lexi and even then she kept coming and probably would have beat her. She's the catfight equivalent of Rocky Balboa lol.
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There's a lot of great names mentioned. Belinda Belle, and Dakota are LEGENDS but all of them rose to fame over a long period of time, Sarah got to legendary status in under 10yrs and from an insane grind and work ethic. She put more work in into her first year than most have in 5 and has just started slowing down (I think). Plus the only time I've seen her in real trouble was against Lexi and even then she kept coming and probably would have beat her. She's the catfight equivalent of Rocky Balboa lol.
Charlie mancini also got her in trouble. Sarah brooke vs santana or nikki darling really needs to happen ;D ;D
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Of the current crop of girls in the scene, Sarah Brooke is undeniably the best. Against more wrestling based opposition like Lora Cross - she wins. Against more catfight based opposition like Mila Rose - she wins. Against girls leagues below her who don't really have any right fighting her like Angel or Evonn - she obviously wins but also keeps the fights relatively engaging.
She's properly dedicated herself to improving her skills and stuck at it like no one else seems willing to, which honestly is worrying for the future. Alexa Brooke had potential, got stung by Vika and has disappeared. Vika was looking promising, but came unstuck against Paris Love - although she has since started taking BJJ lessons, so might one day reach Sarah's levels, though I doubt she'll ever have Sarah's fight anyone, anywhere attitude and it doesn't sound like she'll return to suitefights which is disappointing. Paris Love clearly has the wrestling skills, but her real catfights are few and far between and she was dominated by Sexywife. Sexywife was undeniably tough and might conceivably have challenged Sarah but she's disappeared like Alexa Brooke. Nikki Darling only ever pops her head up once every couple of years, and definitely has the fighting spirit, but I can't see her improving much fighting as rarely as she does.
Perhaps, Bella Lux or Santana could pose a threat to Sarah currently and both could possibly improve going forward. Would love to Sarah tangle with either.
Long story short though, discussions about the GOAT of the catfighting world feel like they are unfortunately going to be based on girls from the past like Nadege, Lisa Marie, Ariel X, et al because the current crop just don't seem to have the drive that Sarah Brooke did, the number of producers seems to be diminshing and a lot of the girls can't seem to get over their first loss. Hope I'm proven wrong in the long run but genuinely worried I won't be
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Amber/Santana from Mexican catfights could become a huge star. She seems to be more active while Sarah Brooke seems to be slowing down and aging in dog years
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Of the current crop of girls in the scene, Sarah Brooke is undeniably the best. Against more wrestling based opposition like Lora Cross - she wins. Against more catfight based opposition like Mila Rose - she wins.
Alexa Brooke had potential, got stung by Vika and has disappeared. Vika was looking promising, but came unstuck against Paris Love - Paris Love clearly has the wrestling skills, but her real catfights are few and far between and she was dominated by Sexywife.
Perhaps, Bella Lux or Santana could pose a threat to Sarah currently and both could possibly improve going forward. Would love to Sarah tangle with either.
Real good point here ... just too many factors to call one girl the GOAT.
You mention these names that I'm not familiar with like Paris, Santana and Sexywife. I think Alexa has something on SF if I want to see her ... how about those others ... what company are / were they with where I could see them ?
I also agree with the Sarah comments ; seemed very dedicated to her fighting and in an interview she mentioned taking MMA training. I also agree that she would have beaten Charlie and Lexi if those two didn't throw in the towel like they did. That is why they quit ... they gave everything they had to put her away early but Sarah just bounced right back for more and they knew they couldn't last with her. Safely quitting with excuses of injuries etc. before losing outright was the only thing they could do to save face. I think Lara Cross was holding her own with her better than the other two, but Sarah would have won that one too if it wasn't called early ... which was bullshit. Questionable win for Sarah in that one.
I see this hard core catfighting as something no girl would keep up for long ( for some girls once is enough ! ) and seems like Sarah hasn't done anything 'hard' for a while now. She has her own site and there is really nothing on it of interest but it's a lot easier doing scripted stuff than getting drug around by her hair and slapped and probably makes more $$$ doing the easy stuff.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Pamela ... the vicious blond from IFW . The few real catfights I saw her in were brutal and I never remember her losing unless in scripted fights.
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Pamela is a curious one... Lara beat her at least once at IFW, but I'm never sure exactly how competitive their fights actualy are.
I think to truly be considered a potential GOAT she'd have to travel some and fight some US, or at least UK based opponents like Nadege did. Lara on the other hand did fight in the UK recently and won without looking spectacular doing so.
Pamela's been doing some stuff with Tilly McReese lately though I think, so maybe a US excursion isn't too far off either.
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Pamela is a curious one... Lara beat her at least once at IFW, but I'm never sure exactly how competitive their fights actualy are.
Lara on the other hand did fight in the UK recently and won without looking spectacular doing so.
Pamela's been doing some stuff with Tilly McReese lately though I think, so maybe a US excursion isn't too far off either.
Glad you brought up Lara. I hardly paid attention to IFW ( $50.00 a clip was just too high for me - 'sticker shock' LOL ) but have a couple from SFD and just from there just figured Lara was all fluff as those are all scripted. I found out Pamela was rated as one of the best so doing a little research I saw an epic, really nasty catfight between her and Lara on IFW :o Actually two are listed one with chokes allowed and the other without choking. I couldn't believe that was Lara ... as I thought she was just for tame, scripted, fantasy stuff.
I'm even more intrigued now that you said she beat Pamela ! Another I saw of Pamela against a girl named Tiger from Female Combat Stars was impressive too as she shut out Tiger in about 6 falls and the match consisted of brutal hair pulling ... and Tiger was no slouch to hair pulling.
Was the fight Lara beat her the one I'm talking about from IFW ?
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Can't remember if it's the one with chokes or not, but it was at IFW. She was a dominant force there for a while but doesn't seem to be the same fighter since her return. Again though, I can't say that I'm 100% certain as to exactly how competitive IFW's fights actually are. They definitely don't seem scripted, but some of the rule sets and fight types make me wonder.
Her fight in the UK that I mentioned was with Slap City and is also real, though it's mostly a wrestling match. Going off this fight and her return to IFW I doubt she'd beat Pamela now.
Pamela's main rival in Europe seems to be Bianca who much like Pamela seems to move between all of the European fighting sites. They appear to be good friends but I know they have fought each other here and there. Haven't actually seen any of the fights so can't comment as to who wins or is better.
Again though, it's hard to legitimately call any of the three women mentioned above GOAT-contenders as their circle of competition is pretty niche in the wider context, and generally speking, like you say, not cheap to access.
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I always thought Pamela and Bianca were real close friends too .... just always seem to be together ... like on their visits and eventual ban from Fighting Dolls. I'd think that any fight they had vs each other was scripted since they were good friends , but I'm just guessing.
Big mistake I made is thinking Lara was only a scripted / fantasy wrestler/fighter. It shocked me when I saw the previews on IFW of her and Pamela's fights ... it looked brutally real for sure , especially when Pamela had Lara in a rear choke. If it was acting they both should receive awards for it. Other footage in that preview had Lara dragging Pamela down with vicious hair grabs ... again , award winning if not real. This of course is what had me immediately want to download it until I saw the sticker price. Bad enough when you throw away $25.00 on a shit clip you'll never watch again , let alone $50.+ Just couldn't hit the submit button .... LOL.
Maybe if I hear others mention how awesome it was I'll reconsider it.
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Has Sarah Brooke ever done catfights in the UK?
The catfight art is very niche. Sadly we dont have many girls doing it full time. In an ideal world, there would be uk vs mexico matches set up and uk vs usa talent
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Amber/Santana from Mexican catfights could become a huge star. She seems to be more active while Sarah Brooke seems to be slowing down and aging in dog years
My hot take: Santana is good but she’s not great. She’s so far beaten people who had very limited exposure and I’d be willing to bet ya that had the Nikki fight happened she would’ve gotten exposed a bit, I think she would’ve won because she’s got some mean belly punching skills, but she would’ve been exposed because Nikki is aggressive and can hang which of her fights this far she hasn’t gone against opponents who don’t get gassed outside of the 5-7 minute mark.
Currently I have it that Sarah is still top dog just because she was the one who elevated the genre. She took the unscripted fight to a whole new level. Now that she’s cleared out most of the competition—I mean we’re working on what Kyla/Reagan third matches against Sarah now because there’s just no opponents out there?
Paris is a good name, she’s got solid wrestling skills, but I go back to the Alexa fight and if it wasn’t for that one hip toss which yielded the grapevine submission it was draw with Alexa maybe eking it out. Alexa with a few more bouts under her in catfighting would’ve won had they had a rematch.
I still think you gotta rank them by genre within the fetish.
1) Sarah is best all around.
2) Lisa-Marie would’ve been best but she got out before the unscripted era happened
3) Nadege would be number one but she did seem to struggle in Catfights not because of her skill but because she was so small and when she went against opponents in the 130-150 range weight class is a real thing
4) Francesca Le is easily to me the best scripted fighter of all time. Her acting never felt over the top
Kinda excited to see where the genre goes from here but as I’ve pointed out I feel we’re headed toward a lull because of cost, and it’s so much easier to generate cash from just doing only fans which is more or less just straight porn.
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I always thought Pamela and Bianca were real close friends too .... just always seem to be together ... like on their visits and eventual ban from Fighting Dolls. I'd think that any fight they had vs each other was scripted since they were good friends , but I'm just guessing.
Big mistake I made is thinking Lara was only a scripted / fantasy wrestler/fighter. It shocked me when I saw the previews on IFW of her and Pamela's fights ... it looked brutally real for sure , especially when Pamela had Lara in a rear choke. If it was acting they both should receive awards for it. Other footage in that preview had Lara dragging Pamela down with vicious hair grabs ... again , award winning if not real. This of course is what had me immediately want to download it until I saw the sticker price. Bad enough when you throw away $25.00 on a shit clip you'll never watch again , let alone $50.+ Just couldn't hit the submit button .... LOL.
Maybe if I hear others mention how awesome it was I'll reconsider it.
Also wanted to add in here I think I read on here Lara decimated Kim-Ly at FD and forced her to retire. Lara is legit but I haven’t seen much from her other than a few matches at IFW.
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It was Bianca the beat Kim Ly .... I don't think Lara ever was ever at FD . Bianca also wrestled Andy twice and think she beat her too ... but didn't see the matches so not sure. Pamela destroyed Vera in a catfight as I've read and Vera is rarely beaten. From what I read it was a brutal beat down of one of FD's toughest girls, leaving Vera crying at the end. She also did the same to another girl - either Belle or Telma . Anyway, those girls Pamela fought at FD said it was the first time they were ever scared of an opponent and would never fight her again. Pamela also beat Anastasia in a wrestling match .
Bianca I know beat Isabel ( another bigger , tough girl ) during their visit and had two with Andy , FD's other top girl at the time who was always Kim Ly's main competition . I didn't see the two matches they had but have a feeling Andy lost both to Bianca.
My guess is them being so dominant at FD - especially Pamela being so brutal in her catfight with Vera - is why they aren't welcome back.
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You’re right it was Bianca I got them mixed up in my head.