[jerry55]

im just saying i have seen a few real catfights between middle aged women and none of them received any real harm they all walked away from the fight just fine. they lost some hair and was clawed up a bit but they was just fine. i am sure there is fights where one or both of the women do receive real injuries. the fights i have seen have been between middle aged moms not trained or experienced fighters

Any time women catfight they will lose some hair and get clawed up

That is the type of catfights I have seen and yes the women had some hair pulled out and got some scratchs

[RandyDNR]

This looks real.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbtg3x_dww-topless-catfight-brutal_sport

It is also not two amateur women fighting. 

[billc]

(sigh) Here we go again...........

No a video is not IRL it is a depiction of what someone wants to sell you, so don't confuse it with an amateur situation in which two women decide to fight NHB, there is no safety there and never will be.

The old real events of DWW with the participation of Black amazons (some of those contets i have seen personaly in the past ) are VIDEOS ?
Is not IRL
just some of those events have recorded and sold for money.But those contests are REAL @ AUTHENTIC FIGHTS!!!Those contets were in front of people that they have paid a lot of money to watch and those contests the fighters were giving the best ...they HAD !!!
P.S. NHB contests in REAL LIFE dont exist except in your FANTASY!!!
Noone woman if even be paid a lot of money accept to fight NHB and be in danger to be injured !!!
Only RULES CATFIGHTS EXIST IN REAL LIFE !!!

thxxx

[HB]

Why is this thread even continuing? Come on. 


It is simple.  All these videos, Crystal, DWW, the girls may be really fighting hard, but they're fighting in a staged environment, with rules. You can imagine no one will be allowed to grab a broken bottle, a rock, a chair, a chain, and use it. The DWW videos , many are before an audience and the girls wear gloves in some cases. They may fight hard but someone will step in if things go too far.


Go to youtube, see the shaky phone-cam videos of teenage skanks or club/party girls or neighborhood hoes beating each other senseless in a backyard or in the street.  If that gets you off, and heaven help us, we hope it really doesn't, there's your NHB.

[HB]

Queen and Joannie are right. 

First of all, a NHB fight is even theoretically impossible except maybe between two sociapaths, one of whom will likely kill the other.  Everyone except a sociopath comes to a fight with some idea of rules, particularly in the case of an arranged fight but even in spontaneous brawls, even if these rules are never discussed or articulated.  Streetfighting has rules, even if they are never writtten down.  Otherwise, how could anyone talk about a fight being fair or unfair, if there are no rules?  The two opponents may not have the same idea, but everyone has some idea of the rules by which they are fighting, ever if they think it is to be a fight to the death.  NHB means that there are no rules; it is literally impossible.  At most, it can mean that there are no specifically stipulated rules.

Secondly, anyone who agreed to a really NHB fight would be agreeing to a deathmatch, which is insane.

Thirdly, and realistically, speaking as a woman who likes to fight IRL and has watched and participated in a number of arranged catfights,  I think any sane person would exclude as a bare minimum: closed fist blows or scratching above the shoulders, eye gouging or pressure, distention of limbs to cause injury, kicking of a prone opponent by a standing woman, nipple distention and vaginal or anal penetration.  I would generally insist on prohibiting kick or blows to the crotch as well and stipulate that fingernails be cut short and round.  This certainly does not eliminate danger of accidental serious injury, which can always happen when you get knocked down, bang into a wall, get your head twisted in a headlock, or get pinned to the floor by a grip on your throat, etc., but it at least limits the danger in acting out an inherently dangerous fetish.  Adding protective equipment can or could reduce the danger, but since we are basically acting out a fantasy of primal feminine rivalry, it doesn't fit in well with the basic premise of our fetish. 

Fourthly, the legal consequences cannot be underestimated.  Unless you can set up an officially recognized (and therefore regulated) sports facility and pass off catfighting as a sport, which is unlikely at best and too much trouble for the occasional catfighter, your only way to avoid running foul of the law is to have enough rules to give reasonable assurance that neither of you will get hurt bad enough to involve a police report.  Otherwise somebody will likely be charged with assault despite any disclaimers and even if the injured woman does not want to press charges and, as is likely, wants to avoid publicity.   There are probably other hobbies which are physically just as dangerous as rules catfighting, but they don't carry the same legal consequences in case of accidental injury.

Basically people who can't tell fantasy from reality are crazy and dangerous.  I love my fantasies as much as anyone, but although I do admire a got fight in real life, I certainly don't want to end up with either me or my rival in the hospital and/or in jail.  In fact, I don't want to got to work on Monday morning with my face looking like I was stepped on by a horse or run over by a garden rake.  An accidental black eye I can cover with sunglasses and a limp I can explain as a fall on the front steps, but I'm not interested in have my real life ruined by my crazyass fetish hobby.

I've said much the same thing here and in another thread about injuries in real life fights.   Now, there are some who claim to fight all out on a regular basis and pretty much walk around without a scratch.  Whatever.

And there was one member here who literally said that reports of women being seriously hurt in real life fights are an "urban legend".  So for those who doubt or keep confusing fantasy and reality, here you go:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/306511/28/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-fight-over-a-boy

An extreme case, yes, but, also as I noted earlier in the thread, there was another story about one female teacher attacking another with a screwdriver.  And it was just a year or two back when there was the awful story about a teenaged girl attacked and beaten by several other girls at a slumber party set up to be a beating...and yeah the whole thing was video taped for Youtube. And you know some sick fucks got off on it.

People, get real. Fantasy is fine but keep it fantasy. Real life fights aren't two saloon girls in frilly dresses rolling and tearing and falling through windows without a scratch.

[Wrestlerjunkee]

Queen and Joannie are right. 

First of all, a NHB fight is even theoretically impossible except maybe between two sociapaths, one of whom will likely kill the other.  Everyone except a sociopath comes to a fight with some idea of rules, particularly in the case of an arranged fight but even in spontaneous brawls, even if these rules are never discussed or articulated.  Streetfighting has rules, even if they are never writtten down.  Otherwise, how could anyone talk about a fight being fair or unfair, if there are no rules?  The two opponents may not have the same idea, but everyone has some idea of the rules by which they are fighting, ever if they think it is to be a fight to the death.  NHB means that there are no rules; it is literally impossible.  At most, it can mean that there are no specifically stipulated rules.

Secondly, anyone who agreed to a really NHB fight would be agreeing to a deathmatch, which is insane.

Thirdly, and realistically, speaking as a woman who likes to fight IRL and has watched and participated in a number of arranged catfights,  I think any sane person would exclude as a bare minimum: closed fist blows or scratching above the shoulders, eye gouging or pressure, distention of limbs to cause injury, kicking of a prone opponent by a standing woman, nipple distention and vaginal or anal penetration.  I would generally insist on prohibiting kick or blows to the crotch as well and stipulate that fingernails be cut short and round.  This certainly does not eliminate danger of accidental serious injury, which can always happen when you get knocked down, bang into a wall, get your head twisted in a headlock, or get pinned to the floor by a grip on your throat, etc., but it at least limits the danger in acting out an inherently dangerous fetish.  Adding protective equipment can or could reduce the danger, but since we are basically acting out a fantasy of primal feminine rivalry, it doesn't fit in well with the basic premise of our fetish. 

Fourthly, the legal consequences cannot be underestimated.  Unless you can set up an officially recognized (and therefore regulated) sports facility and pass off catfighting as a sport, which is unlikely at best and too much trouble for the occasional catfighter, your only way to avoid running foul of the law is to have enough rules to give reasonable assurance that neither of you will get hurt bad enough to involve a police report.  Otherwise somebody will likely be charged with assault despite any disclaimers and even if the injured woman does not want to press charges and, as is likely, wants to avoid publicity.   There are probably other hobbies which are physically just as dangerous as rules catfighting, but they don't carry the same legal consequences in case of accidental injury.

Basically people who can't tell fantasy from reality are crazy and dangerous.  I love my fantasies as much as anyone, but although I do admire a got fight in real life, I certainly don't want to end up with either me or my rival in the hospital and/or in jail.  In fact, I don't want to got to work on Monday morning with my face looking like I was stepped on by a horse or run over by a garden rake.  An accidental black eye I can cover with sunglasses and a limp I can explain as a fall on the front steps, but I'm not interested in have my real life ruined by my crazyass fetish hobby.

I've said much the same thing here and in another thread about injuries in real life fights.   Now, there are some who claim to fight all out on a regular basis and pretty much walk around without a scratch.  Whatever.

And there was one member here who literally said that reports of women being seriously hurt in real life fights are an "urban legend".  So for those who doubt or keep confusing fantasy and reality, here you go:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/306511/28/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-fight-over-a-boy

An extreme case, yes, but, also as I noted earlier in the thread, there was another story about one female teacher attacking another with a screwdriver.  And it was just a year or two back when there was the awful story about a teenaged girl attacked and beaten by several other girls at a slumber party set up to be a beating...and yeah the whole thing was video taped for Youtube. And you know some sick fucks got off on it.

People, get real. Fantasy is fine but keep it fantasy. Real life fights aren't two saloon girls in frilly dresses rolling and tearing and falling through windows without a scratch.

Could not have said it better myself HB.

[billc]

Queen and Joannie are right. 

First of all, a NHB fight is even theoretically impossible except maybe between two sociapaths, one of whom will likely kill the other.  Everyone except a sociopath comes to a fight with some idea of rules, particularly in the case of an arranged fight but even in spontaneous brawls, even if these rules are never discussed or articulated.  Streetfighting has rules, even if they are never writtten down.  Otherwise, how could anyone talk about a fight being fair or unfair, if there are no rules?  The two opponents may not have the same idea, but everyone has some idea of the rules by which they are fighting, ever if they think it is to be a fight to the death.  NHB means that there are no rules; it is literally impossible.  At most, it can mean that there are no specifically stipulated rules.

Secondly, anyone who agreed to a really NHB fight would be agreeing to a deathmatch, which is insane.

Thirdly, and realistically, speaking as a woman who likes to fight IRL and has watched and participated in a number of arranged catfights,  I think any sane person would exclude as a bare minimum: closed fist blows or scratching above the shoulders, eye gouging or pressure, distention of limbs to cause injury, kicking of a prone opponent by a standing woman, nipple distention and vaginal or anal penetration.  I would generally insist on prohibiting kick or blows to the crotch as well and stipulate that fingernails be cut short and round.  This certainly does not eliminate danger of accidental serious injury, which can always happen when you get knocked down, bang into a wall, get your head twisted in a headlock, or get pinned to the floor by a grip on your throat, etc., but it at least limits the danger in acting out an inherently dangerous fetish.  Adding protective equipment can or could reduce the danger, but since we are basically acting out a fantasy of primal feminine rivalry, it doesn't fit in well with the basic premise of our fetish. 

Fourthly, the legal consequences cannot be underestimated.  Unless you can set up an officially recognized (and therefore regulated) sports facility and pass off catfighting as a sport, which is unlikely at best and too much trouble for the occasional catfighter, your only way to avoid running foul of the law is to have enough rules to give reasonable assurance that neither of you will get hurt bad enough to involve a police report.  Otherwise somebody will likely be charged with assault despite any disclaimers and even if the injured woman does not want to press charges and, as is likely, wants to avoid publicity.   There are probably other hobbies which are physically just as dangerous as rules catfighting, but they don't carry the same legal consequences in case of accidental injury.

Basically people who can't tell fantasy from reality are crazy and dangerous.  I love my fantasies as much as anyone, but although I do admire a got fight in real life, I certainly don't want to end up with either me or my rival in the hospital and/or in jail.  In fact, I don't want to got to work on Monday morning with my face looking like I was stepped on by a horse or run over by a garden rake.  An accidental black eye I can cover with sunglasses and a limp I can explain as a fall on the front steps, but I'm not interested in have my real life ruined by my crazyass fetish hobby.

I've said much the same thing here and in another thread about injuries in real life fights.   Now, there are some who claim to fight all out on a regular basis and pretty much walk around without a scratch.  Whatever.

And there was one member here who literally said that reports of women being seriously hurt in real life fights are an "urban legend".  So for those who doubt or keep confusing fantasy and reality, here you go:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/306511/28/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-fight-over-a-boy

An extreme case, yes, but, also as I noted earlier in the thread, there was another story about one female teacher attacking another with a screwdriver.  And it was just a year or two back when there was the awful story about a teenaged girl attacked and beaten by several other girls at a slumber party set up to be a beating...and yeah the whole thing was video taped for Youtube. And you know some sick fucks got off on it.

People, get real. Fantasy is fine but keep it fantasy. Real life fights aren't two saloon girls in frilly dresses rolling and tearing and falling through windows without a scratch.

Great analysis HB !
I agree 100% !

[mMikebl]

I wonder how many of these tough guys that claim that real fights have no risk have ever been in one themselves? I mean one where someone was trying to seriously kill them or fuck them up? I sense never. Yeah some people get through a real fight ok, some people also get shot and live, but it doesn't mean a pistol duel is safe for both people either.

It would be so much easier if the guys...and some of the girls who claim to participate in them weekly...would just admit, the NHB thing is a fantasy. Hey that's cool. We all get into and off on our own thing. 

Yes, real no holds barred fights happen...but don't just blather on No one gets hurt in a fight, my mom fights all the time, I fight bitches on the half hour , I hit a bitch wtith a chair and then we had pie...

   
Good post!  Your line "I hit the bitch with a chair and then we had pie..."  is hilarious.

[mMikebl]

   There is no such thing as safety in a true No Hold Barred.  End of discussion. 

   If there is a ref or others present with the purpose of preventing permanent injury, then it is not NHB.  It may be very rough, but it is not really NHB.  Extreme rough matches can occur with limited rules, but there are still rules.
   Most so-called NHB fight are actually encounters between two people who fight within social conventions.  Neither intend to kill the other and neither expect the other to kill her.  Two women fight or meet to fight for whatever reason.  If one gives up, the winner stops in a reasonable time.  She may hit her a couple more times or inflict another scratch, but she doesn't kill or maim her.  If one chokes the other out, she releases the pressure--she doesn't hold the choke till death.  If one is knocked out with a punch, the victor doesn't continue beating the senseless woman into a pile of goo.  When the social convention collapses, that is when the police and law become involved.  People who do not honor the social conventions are the one who get convicted of murder and aggravated asault. 
   The social convention differs from group to group.  For example, two moms fighting over a disagreement at the previous evening's PTA meeting will have a different threshhold of what is acceptable than an angry wife fighting the "other woman".  The mental constraints of the situations differ - but some mutual sense of acceptability still exists.  The problems happen when the two combatants have radically different ideas of acceptability.  That can result in the situation mentioning the police in the previous paragraph.
    Rough planned fights are possible but that word "planned" is important.  For example, protective gear can make it posible for fewer rules.  Also, a few absolute rules can exist which will allow for a rough apparently "no constraint shown" fight - as long as those few rules are followed - with others present to ensure their following. 
   But again, an actual No Holds Barred fight between equals cannot co-exist with safety.

I think the above quote summed it up.  I agree with Joannie.

[Wrestlerjunkee]

To clarify, I have never ever done NHB in real life, only in cyber.  The closest thing to NHB imho would be MMA. 

[Nutmeg]

To clarify, I have never ever done NHB in real life, only in cyber.  The closest thing to NHB imho would be MMA.  

I would have to go with street fights there, for the simple reason no one has ever pulled a knife on GSP mid fight in MMA. But MMA is a good basis. If the fight you are doing or watching has more rules than MMA, it sure as hell isn't NHB.