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Moral issues

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Offline shing

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Moral issues
« on: July 11, 2012, 10:57:20 PM »
Dear fellow fetishists,

I could write a long essay, but it all results in my question:

How do you get over the fact that you enjoy seeing women fighting, suffering and humiliating each other?

I am really interested to get to know how YOU in particular get along with it.

Thanking in anticipation!

Shing

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Offline LQQKING4CATFIGHTER

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 01:43:35 AM »
Dear fellow fetishists,

I could write a long essay, but it all results in my question:

How do you get over the fact that you enjoy seeing women fighting, suffering and humiliating each other?

I am really interested to get to know how YOU in particular get along with it.

Thanking in anticipation!

Shing

   I like to see the competion, I'm not a big fan of all out Punching catfights and like wrestling and catfights with rules that makes sure no real bad injuries.  As for the humiliation, the loser would have enjoyed humiliating the winner if she won the match, so don't feel to bad for her.
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Offline LoveSexyJobbers

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 05:26:36 AM »
Like Boeing said , the beauty of Pro Wrestling is that it is set up so nobody gets hurt & it can be entertaining .

I do not condone real violence as it usually is completely unnecessary & having someone get seriously hurt is not a fun thing . Being a fan of the NFL ( American Football ) to some , I HATE THE NEW YORK JETS WITH A PASSION , I want to see them lose & it makes my day when they do , it is even better when it happens in the day when my Dolphins win & sweetest when it's the Dolphins that beat them , but by no stretch of the imagination do I want or wish to see a Jets player writhing in agony on the ground after breaking a leg on a freak play or blowing out a knee , also it is not wished for to see a Jets player be taken off the field on a stretcher after hitting someone the wrong way & they have to immobileize him with fear that he could suffer paralysis from his neck injury , anyone enjoying that is just not human .

I use morals even here though , like in my stories , I have 3 rules (1) No Minors - Duh (2) No real names unless doing celebrity stories & (3) No Deceased Persons

but people like what they like & I can just hope really bad stuff appeals to them as that is not moral
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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 06:28:54 AM »
I don't have a problem with it whatsoever. It is a fetish interest, so it'll be in a gray area anyway.

Perhaps since my interests are more towards the fantasy element ( scenario fights, private strict rules matches, etc ) and I avoid real life spontaneous bloody fighting, there's no moral qualms for me.

But when I see posts or polls saying "I hope so and so beats the shit out of so and so " or see people get off on videos of real street beatdowns, that's a horse of a different color. No enjoyment there whatsoever, that leans more towards sadism.  Not that I can judge, but, the more extreme areas can be disturbing to say the least

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 12:20:11 PM »
I don't have a problem with it whatsoever. It is a fetish interest, so it'll be in a gray area anyway.

Perhaps since my interests are more towards the fantasy element ( scenario fights, private strict rules matches, etc ) and I avoid real life spontaneous bloody fighting, there's no moral qualms for me.

But when I see posts or polls saying "I hope so and so beats the shit out of so and so " or see people get off on videos of real street beatdowns, that's a horse of a different color. No enjoyment there whatsoever, that leans more towards sadism.  Not that I can judge, but, the more extreme areas can be disturbing to say the least

I agree with HB on this word for word.

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 05:38:26 PM »
Marty of CW-VSL once pointed out that ours is a pretty mild kink.  Decades ago there was a letter in Nugget (feast of fetishes) from a guy into women in wheelchairs.  He said he had convinced his healthy girlfriend to undergo elective surgery in order to render her a quadriplegic.  Now that’s troubling.

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2012, 08:54:24 PM »
I think that a lot of goods points were made regarding mob mentality and bullying, etc., and I could comment on all to a great extent.  However, I'm going to get back to Shing's original question regarding the morality of this fetish because I believe that there's a lot to consider.  I'm not sure if Shing made the post as a means of eliciting a conversation that might help him gain insight into his own feelings, or if he is merely trying to shake the trees to see what falls out.  Whatever the case, I'd like to add my two cents.

First, I've always believed there's somewhat of an oedipal basis to this fetish.  Virtually every guy who is into fvf has had a strong female presence in their lives; most likely mom, but possibly older sister(s), aunt(s), neighbor women, etc., who were assertive and competitive.  One could even argue that the type of fvf that a particular guy enjoys indicates his feelings toward women in general.  I have absolutely no proof of this; it's just something that I sense.  For example, I think that I can define my attitude toward women through this fetish.  I like good competition between two evenly matched, similar body-typed women.  I don't even care who wins, I just like the competition and the intensity. I can't stand blood, humiliation or one-sided fights.  I wonder about the subconscious mind of those who do.  

I have always been attracted to competitive, athletic women.  Although Mom wasn't athletic, she was certainly assertive -- and feisty.  No doubt, this is in influence.  Also I grew up in the pre-Title 9 Era -- there were no interscholastic girls' sports.   So, I had to surmise if a certain young lady was "my type."  I have always believed that a woman who will physically compete with another woman would be much better in bed that a sterling princess.  Again, I have no proof of this, and I would have loved to have conducted my own study on this when I was younger.  Perhaps one of you young guys can do so in my stead.  If you do, please keep my apprised of the outcome.

Later.


    

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 09:40:23 PM »
You know seen a lot of talk about "Oh I sure would hate it if my girl or someone I know got hurt or humilated." But that is not what this fetish is about to many. Its about watching people you don't know get beat up or humilated. Still feel the same way about the violence? Would you instead CHEER when its your gf busting open another person's nose instead of the other way around?

Every group has some sort of self inflicted 'morality guilt' it does to itself. Comics gets it over sexalizing women or dismissing minorites. Wargamers call each other Nazis for playing Germany in a WWII game. And it always gets down to people try to prove they are somehow 'better people' than some other group for reasons of their ego.

The only reason there is a morality issue is because you guys are sitting here desperately trying to create one. if you feel what you love is immoral, that's YOUR issue, not one to expect the community to solve for you. For example, I have zero problem doing deathfights in cyber and writing about death and violence. Others do. Is there a moral issue here? Fuck no, unless someone chooses to make it one for the sake of their ego. You can say you don't like it based on YOUR morality but there is no grand 'Morality code'.

Maybe the OP should tell us what exactly is bothering him with the fetish instead of something so open ended that its drifted into areas so far from morality.  Right now I see a lot of dogs chasing their tails.
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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 09:51:23 PM »
Boxing, MMA and Wrestling are all apparently morally ok I don't see how catfighting is any different so long as those involved are willing participants. If I want to fight someone and she wants to fight me I don't see there being a moral issue, its a choice that we have both made. As with similar activities there is the risk of going too far and crossing a line but that shouldn't stop people doing it. How many people crash in motoracing? It is still a sport that millions of people enjoy. There are risks every time you cross the road in life, its all about risk to reward, if I find something rewarding then I am more willing to take the risk of doing it. Catfighting might not be considered a real sport where as two guys beating each other up can be found on any sports channel easy enough but the only real difference is the fact that the line between genuine competition and the erotic fantasy side of things doesn't seem to be that much, just because people find something sexy doesn't mean it can't be serious.

As for the fantasy side of things for those that don't actually fight, a fantasy is a fantasy. If that fantasy is a bit dark so what? There is a difference between reality and fantasy and so long as you know that whatever floats your boat is your business. From the fantasy side of things look at the number of places that sell school girl outfits as erotic attire, having sex with someone underage is a crime but its in school when we all start thinking about sex, its just a fantasy routed from early on in someone's sexual development. Fantasy and reality are very different.

Plus a lot of catfighting involves two people rolling around probably not wearing very much and making some quite interesting noises. I always used to love watching wrestling when I was younger, ok yes part of that was because of the entertainment aspect but you know what? Two guys in good shape usually not wearing that much grunting and showing off how tough they were? Worked for me!

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2012, 12:07:34 AM »
You know seen a lot of talk about "Oh I sure would hate it if my girl or someone I know got hurt or humilated." But that is not what this fetish is about to many. Its about watching people you don't know get beat up or humilated. Still feel the same way about the violence? Would you instead CHEER when its your gf busting open another person's nose instead of the other way around?


No.  I don't like blood and gore in fights and I definitely don't like people getting seriously hurt no matter how bitchy they are.  My girl is not capable of busting open another girls' nose but that is besides the point.

My point about the mob mentality though is that a normally sane laid back person could be influenced by the others in the group.  In the example of my girl's match - had that not been my girl and I was watching on my own I probably still wouldn't want to see a move done that injured someone and humiliate them against their will.  However as part of the group and people yelling all kinds of things, there might have been an influence on me where I am going along with the crowd without me even realizing it.

What does mob mentality have to do with catfight fetish? People cheer during executions, does that mean public executions are a cause of snuff fetish? That is not a discussion of morality, it is one of psychology.
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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2012, 02:16:42 PM »
Lets face it when it comes to religion pretty much all organised religions preach peace and understanding to everyone... unless someone doesn't believe what you do then they are fair game. When you look at the history of war pretty much every one has a religious element to it. I don't want to knock anyone's beliefs but I think far too often organised religion is used as a great excuse to get rid of people that don't share your views. That said I am sure if there was only one religion that everyone believed in then humanity as a species would find new ways of creating divides between people and using those differences as an excuse to do terrible things.

But I think we might be going off on a bit of a tangent.

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 03:08:29 PM »
I have been a catfight fan since I can remember. My FANTASY has always been to see 2 women in either dresses and pantyhose or blouses, skirts, and pantyhose get into a fight. I would have them take their shoes off, so neither would get a twisted ankle or using the shoes as a weapon. Also I wouldn't want them to bite, choke, or scratch each other, and definitely no blood. I would have them rolling around on the ground with their nylon clad legs wrapped around each other, I guess I have a pantyhose fetish. I would be more wrestling with some hair pulling. But in the end, the winner would be the one who lasted the longest and neither woman was hurt.

Now for this. A few years ago my wife worked for a bank and the dress code was when they wore a dress or skirt, they had to wear pantyhose, which my wife did. She worked with a few women so you can imagine the thoughts going through my head. One day the manager hired a woman for the asst. mgr. position. Both her and my wife were around the same age, early 50's and around the same height and built. Well, right from day one both my wife and her did not get along. Over the next 6 weeks things got very heated until one day at a staff meeting the other woman made a catty remark to my wife and that set off the explosion. My wife literally got into the other woman's face and yelled at her. My wife's boss put his arms around my wife to hold her back. The other woman backed off and my wife walked out.

In my fantasy I would have the 2 fighting on the floor in their skirts and hose, BUT, in reality, I was happy that the 2 woman didn't start punching. All I could think about if they had gone at it, both of them would have gotten hurt and I was very glad they didn't fight. Really.

Fantasy is one thing, but reality is something else and I would never want my wife to fight another woman and take a chance that she or the other woman or both would end up getting hurt.

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Re: Moral issues
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2012, 11:32:01 PM »
It's only a moral issue if you make it one. 

Is it strange we "get off" on suffering?   I enjoy Mountain Dews and Cigarettes.   Absolutely love chocolate.   I'm trading temporary satisfaction for long term suffering.   Do you like when the bad guy (or girl) gets her due?   You are enjoying suffering.  Will you be glad when the US starts a war with Iran?   You sadist you.

But, is it suffering at all that you enjoy?   I enjoy a clearly dominant female (that I find attractive) going to work on a lesser.......in any scenario.  Real or scripted.   It's sexy.   If catfights and female wrestling were not provocative..........news outfits wouldn't cover it.   Movies and TV's wouldn't integrate slapping and tension filled scenes between women into their promos.   

Do people "get off" on male MMA?   Most certainly.   However, what they do is been deemed "legitimate".  How about male vs male boxing?  Do you think for one minute that there aren't thousands of girls who go to bed with their legs squeezed after a sexy guy they like knocks out another guy they don't like?   That's part of my goal at the Female Wrestling Channel is to legitimize what we do.   Do you think that 4,000 years ago that women cared whether or not they were nude when they wrestled?

The answer is not to publicly proclaim you like suffering, as that may not even be the case.   (As it's simply a part of a larger whole)

Do you think if two hot ladies were slapping the hell out of each other that a crowd wouldn't form?   Someone would eventually cave in, and break it up, and for good reason, but the majority of the bystanders would have loved the fight to continue.   Why do you think "Survivor" is so popular?   Why do you think people tuned into the Jersey Shore?   In the absence of the fights and tension.........would that show ever survive?   Or the Bad Girls Club on Oxygen............wow..........the Bad Girls Club!   I rest my case.

If you want intellectual ammo for those who would question you on all of this............all you need to tell them is that female combat is sexy, they are the ones that are weird if they think otherwise, and ridicule every attempt on their end to control the frame.

It's only a moral issue if you make it one.
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