I've never been remotely interested in giggle and grope. I think Karen will agree with me that if there is no intensity, it's as boring as watching grass grow. I think MMA has changed things, even inexperienced girls are far more knowledgeable than they used to be, and I also think the female population in general is more athletic, in better shape than they've ever been. The days of many activities, both athletic and non athletic being considered unladylike (ugh! what a word!) are gone and good riddance to them. Women are finally understanding that it's far better to follow your instincts, to go where life takes you than to be obsessed with what someone else might think about us.
I saw a survey somewhere on line a few years ago that claimed that a higher percentage of women have had serious urges to actually fight another woman than men have to fight other men. I totally believe that, and it reflects comments other women have made to me from time to time. This is a vast oversimplification but I believe that Karen's comment that she would have rather jumped out the hotel window than say the things the stripper made her say is a major reason why many women avoid physical confrontations with other women. I think the fear of losing, especially the fear of losing badly and being made to look foolish by another woman, perhaps even having to beg her for mercy or admit inferiority to her is a huge deterrent for most of us. I'd love to read your thoughts on this Karen.