[Glamour Fights]

Elke Sommer and Ann-Margret Olsson ended with the same number of points for their won/loss/draw records. See final standings (click here) Elke Sommer won the tournament by the rules I established at the beginning of the tournament. This is counterbalanced by the fact that Ann-Margret won the head to head competition over Elke by 3 votes (48:45).  There have also been charges of favoritism and impartiality on my part even though I have tried to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Thus I have not declared the winner yet. Instead I will be setting up a poll to see what the members think is fair. The options would be to declare Elke the winner (base on tournament rules), declare Ann-Margret the winner (based on head to head competition), declare them as co-champions, have a title fight between Elke and Ann-Margret with a winner take all, or anything else I can think of or you may suggest.

I have talked to both ladies, both wearing black leathers. (Remember Ann-Margret starred in a biker flick C.C. and Company with Joe Namath.) Both were very gracious while also being somewhat catty towards their rival.
GF: Elke, how do you feel abut a run off with you fighting Ann-Margret once again to determine the champion.
Elke: I know I have the satisfaction of having won the tournament after over a year of fighting by the rules set down. However I know my victory is tainted since that red headed bitch beat me in our fight. She is a good fighter and thus my title would always be tainted. To get complete satisfaction I wouldn’t mind, nay, would look forward to beating her fat ass. She only won by a narrow margin last time and if you compare our last few opponents you will see I had a lot tougher fighters than the creampuffs she had. I am confident that I will royally kick her fat ass if I fight her again. Keep in mind I just had a tough fight with Sybil Danning while she had trouble beating that pansy waist Farrah Fawcett so I would like a little time to recuperate.
GF: Ann-Margret, how do you feel abut a run off with you fighting Elke once again to determine the champion.
Ann-Margret: Do I look stupid to you? You’ve been associating with too many blondes and it has addled your mind. Of course I want the chance to beat the air-headed blonde for the championship. It should be mine as I beat her once and will do so again, only worse this time. But rules are rules and so if you declare her the winner I can accept that. Elke has proven to be a good fighter, better than many have suggested. That doesn’t mean I won’t corner her and beat the shit out of her again just for my satisfaction and to show your champ is a loser. As for our opponents before our last fight I see she is calling Jill St. John (another redhead I might add) a creampuff. I would remind Elke that I beat Jill by a lot more than she did. In fact she struggled to beat Jill. Also Jill finished way ahead of Joey Heatherton who Elke faced just before me.  Furthermore Jill beat Joey so that shows which opponent was tougher. Finally I see Elke is already making excuses for when she loses, claiming she needs some rest.
Elke: I am not making excuses but just want a fair fight. I barely lost to Sybil and Ann-Margret beat her by only 1 point. Then Ann-Margret lost to Senta Berger and claimed it was because of the beating she took from Sybil in eking out her win. I remind her that I beat Senta convincingly. Furthermore Diane McBain is a lot tougher than Annette Funicello and if you go back further you can compare the quality of our foes before Ann-Margret and I met. When we are both are our physical peak I will dominate her.
Ann-Margret: Say what you want about our opponents before we fought, the truth is I beat Elke and will beat her again. Yes, if we fight again we should be both at our physical peak so she can’t find another excuse for losing – which she will.

[byline]

Barbosa has given a good presentation of the pros and cons of each selection. My own view is that even if it isn't quite fair to Elke who won according to the rules I think a fight between the two to settle it is the best solution. If Elke is a "true champion" she shouldn't mind defending her title. I also agree that if the championship was just awarded to Elke or Ann-Margret their title would be tainted. Besides I always love a good fight and this should be a super fight even though I can already hear Mindcastle say that Elke isn't in Ann-Margret's league. 

[Mindcastle]

I say "LET THEM FIGHT!"  Let the best woman win.

Byline, Quite the contrary, while I would like to see Ann-Margret win for very personal reasons, I, nevertheless, respect Elke for her obvious fighting abilities. I also LOVE her fabulous legs. Of course, she will be fighting another woman with fabulous legs, so this could become veryyyyy interesting. I want to see those sexy leather girls arrive at the arena on their motorcycles and give us a real show.

I also agree that the match should not take place until both women have had the chance to rest and be in top condition. I believe that Elke will need some rest after Sybil is done with her. [I can't believe that Sybil fulfilled her promise to make our favorite German girl yodel. What a woman! Hope she hasn't destroyed Elke's self-assurance.]

The stakes must be very high to properly motivate the fighters but I will let Barbosa and GF work out that end of the business. [ I understand that Barbosa was so overcome that he fainted at the end of the Welch - Berger match.]

Elke can't be all bad because she has put a smile on GF's face and he looks ten years younger since she has been making regular office visits - once with Senta Berger in tow, no less. GF must be really popping those Viagra pills these days. You know a 2009 German study concluded that staring at a woman's breast for 10 minutes a day is as good as 30 minutes of exercise. The study also showed that breast fixation also reduces cardio-vascular disease and hypertension. So, my guess is that Elke brought in Senta as reenforcements and now GF is getting over an hours exercise each day now that those fine ladies make an 'office calls'. The same German team is studying legs and asses and will be publishing their results sometime later this year. GF should invite the team to the Sommer -Olsson fight.

I am somewhat shocked that there was no confrontation between Elke and Ann when GF interviewed them. Sybil must have really wasted Elke in their fight. If we are going to have to wait for several months until the women are ready to fight, then we do need some appetizers along the way. Now that they have basically tied for first place, I am sure that they will be on Talk Shows and be interviewed by the Tabloid press who have has been hyping their rematch for weeks.

[cager]

I think you should have them Fight in a Taped Fist Boxing Match until one of them is Left Satnding,Then you can see Who is Tough Enough to be Champion! Dan

[Mindcastle]

I'm not sure that would not be fair to Elke. After all, AM's nickname is "Slugger", a name that Joe Nameth bestowed on her when they filmed "C C Rider", the almost famous Motorcycle flick. Nameth said that she had a punch like a mule and said he would love to see her in the ring sometime. Anyway, the MMA did not exist back in 1970. We like our Celebrities to fight like women, not trained Martial Artists.

[Vassago]

Let them fight again! 

[Glamour Fights]

I think you should have them Fight in a Taped Fist Boxing Match until one of them is Left Satnding,Then you can see Who is Tough Enough to be Champion! Dan

I'm not sure that would not be fair to Elke. After all, AM's nickname is "Slugger", a name that Joe Nameth bestowed on her when they filmed "C C Rider", the almost famous Motorcycle flick. Nameth said that she had a punch like a mule and said he would love to see her in the ring sometime. Anyway, the MMA did not exist back in 1970. We like our Celebrities to fight like women, not trained Martial Artists.

If they fight again the fight will be to their choosing. I will sit down with them and discuss the fight. It will be with both at the same time so there isn't even a hint of impropriety. Who knows, they may not be able to contain themselves and the fight might start even in my office. That could occur even if the voting above does not support another fight. After all I shall have to explain what happened and who the winner is anyway.            

[Glamour Fights]

The poll has ended. Elke Sommer is declared the champion. I must admit that I was surprised by the poll and was absolutely sure the majority would want a fight off with a few people voting for either Elke or Ann-Marget to be champion.But the voting was overwhelmingly in favor of following the rules and having Elke as the champion. No one voted for co-champs. The voting seemed to be fairly even between having another fight and declaring Elke as the champion. That is until samrose make his argument. Then the voting starting going entirely in favor of Elke. Elke told me she has a big kiss waiting for samrose. Ann-Margret chimed in that she also had one for samrose just to show she had no hard feelings and that she could kiss much better than Elke.

When I originally thought about the tie breakers and in what order they should be used I spent time going over the arguments of whether the vote differential or the head to head should take precedence. I decided on choosing the vote differential first because I thought this better showed the performance of the fighters over the whole tournament. Certainly head to head determines absolutely who was better on that given day and fight. But the problem with one fight is that anything can happen on a given day. Also there are other factors such as who they fought previously. In addition the number of votes from one round to the next could vary quite drastically and the people voting could change. Using the over all vote difference didn't completely solve the latter problem but I figured it average out more.  One difficulty of the use of vote difference was pointed out by Bunduki who stated that Sybil Danning beat Elke by quite a bit in the vote differential. That is true but it was accomplished mainly throughout one fight, her beating of Jaclyn Smith by 101:2. That one fight skewed the voter differential. Some scoring algorithms try to eliminate the undo influence of one or two events by throwing out the top and bottom scores. I chose not to do that.

I note that the NCAA in the US has a complicated formula to decide the order and seedings for the playoff of the college football number title. They take into account not only head to head and records but also the quality of teams beat and lost. If that criterion is used  then the results would still favor Elke. She lost to Ann-Margret and Sybil Danning who were 2nd and 3rd at the time. Ann-Margret lost to Edy Williams and Senta Berger who finished 5th and 23rd.I am not sure of their rankings when the fights occurred. Samrose's discussion about Ann-Margret losing to Edy is reflective of the fact that you have to be sure to bat those you are supposed to. Still in Ann-Margret's defense, on any given fight anything can happen.

All this is a moot pint as I made my choices at the start of the tournament and they is what I should follow. I am just trying to give you some insight on why I chose the path I did. Had I decided that head to head should take precedence than Ann-Margret would be the champion. Had I decide their should be a face off then that would have occurred. I just don't like one fight determining such a long, important championship. That is why I don't like single elimination tournament. So if there was a playoff I might have deiced on the best say four out of seven. The World Football Championship (soccer to US people) is determined by one game. But the outcome can depend so much on decisions of referees including yellow and red cards called against "stars", injuries, and just bounces of the ball that it is not clear which was the better team over all. What is determined is who scored more goals to win, or more points in the Super Bowl, etc.

I had fun doing the poll.

Now I have to call in Elke Sommer and Ann-Margret Olsson and tell them which is champion and why.  Wonder how that will go....