[femft]

my girlfriend and I are thinking of opening up a bar in either North Carolina or va. a bigger city of course my girl wants to be a divided bar on one side she wants to have drag queens serving food and singing. have a small selection of dinners. and call it the tranny barn, and she wants on the other side which she likes the name kitty kat club, where its all female mud, jello, oil, or cole slaw wrestling. serving mixed drinks and pizza, wings and beer. the matches go like this if anyone has a better idea I would like to know. let them wrestle for 5 minutes and let the fans clap to see who is the winner. my girlfriend don't want it to be where any of the women get hurt. we want to have all types of women heavey weight, big vs small and soccer moms type we will employee some girls but will hold off the street type women some. any other ideas is welcome. we own a bar and a beauty salon now so we know the business part of things.

[Ed Johnson]

Not to burst your bubble, but I can see a few problems with this idea from the outset. First off "Trannybarn" you are going to be sued by everyone from the ACLU to the Tea Party for that name. In most circles the term "tranny" is viewed as discriminatory. Not to mention the fact you won't find a city planner in their right mind who is going to sign off on the name. Secondly, you won't be able to get just a normal bar license you will need to register this club as either an "adult" or gentleman's club. Which will effect where you can put your business due to zoning restrictions. Thirdly, you will need to get a lawyer to draft wavers in the event of an injury as well as carry additional insurance. And fourth, right or wrong in many states "fights" are regulated you so may well find yourself running into issues with athletic commissions, gambling boards as well as law enforcement agencies.
In short, do your homework and contact a lawyer before putting any serious money into this type of business.

[Alyssaswrld]

If you're going to seriously consider opening a place such as this.... You have very few options in the South. I'm not sure about VA however, I know that the only places that you may be able to pull this off in NC would be Charlotte and Asheville. The only reason why I say this is because both cities have become extremely liberal and may not make a fuss about this concept. I do know that Charlotte has a few "inner cliques" such as the NoDA Area and Commonwealth. You might want to check on those locations and get to know some of the independent bar/grocery store owners. I can assure you, the people in those areas may be willing to accept the idea as long as it's nothing too extreme. Hope I was able to help you out with this reply.
Good luck to your venture and all the best!
Issy

[femft]

we were seriously thinking charlotte. we may need to change the name a little but concept is the same. there just isn't any places on the east coast that has any type of female wrestling. and of course the drag bar. when we was in south beach we saw a cool drag bar and the gf got the idea of that mixed with what I like. I know insurance and licenses and such is a task. also we would have to have 2 or 3 other serious investors with deep pockets just to start it up.

[daniel2477082]

Maybe one day a week do amature wrestling, where any woman can walk in and wrestle.

[femft]

yes we will have any woman off the street wrestling from soccer moms to nurses. big vs small any size. like I say let them wrestle for 5 minutes and let the fans clap to see who wins not on looks but how well the ladies do.

[daniel2477082]

I like the idea of that,  once u get it open I will make a special trip to come see this place

[femft]

yes the pit will be lined with soft mats and pillow type things and covered with a tarp and soft edges. also we talked about puttn up a ring for maybe pro wrestling and have events maybe for charities and I know insurance may not cover but have matures (women only) come in on certain nights to wrestle in the ring pro style. but it would have to be closely monitored. mostly do the female pro and have trained women come in.

[daniel2477082]

I am so there

[Ed Johnson]

You also would have to research local and state ordiances for this type of business. As I stated previously these types of events are often governed by athletic commissions and or gambling boards that require special permits. You also would have to know who is on what card and their experience level. Just having "random" people show up to wrestle/fight/whatever and trying to "eyeball" their experience level based on body type or height, etc. is bad juju. Say you have say two soccer moms.. One an experienced kick boxer, the other say an avid jogger. They are going to have similar builds. You put them up against each other, and the inexperienced woman gets injured. Now both you and the experienced fighter could well be liable for injuries, as in some states fight training is considered a lethal weapon.

In short, there is a reason why this type of business by and large does not exist or at least not "legally". It is due to the red tape and legal issues involved.

[Ed Johnson]

Key word there. BIKER events. You don't really honestly think that outlaw bikers are going to take the time to gather permits and what not do you? Also other key word there. EVENT.. It is a one time event, not a standing business operating on a daily basis. Also they are not doing those events as a business.

[lumberjack66]

I think you have a couple problems outside the zoning and any religious issues.  Your big problem is you are blending two crowds that don't normally work together.  A Drag bar and messy wrestling bar?  Kind of don't go together.  Nothing against either one, but they don't go together.  It kind of like opening a country bar and a metal bar in the same place.  Rarely works out.  I'd suggest opening one and then opening the other in separate locations.  Not sure which would work best in Charlotte.  Just don't know the area.  Or you could open one (Tranny Bar) with a special night for the wrestling.  Expect a different crowd the wrestling night.  If it is super successful, open the second location.  Generally Country and Wrestling work well together.  No idea why.  If you are looking for a model to follow, try Gilley's in Las Vegas

[Nutmeg]

Lumberjack is right on here. I can see closing time being real ugly when the transexual crowd and the wrestling crowd meet up. And the messy wrestling bar might become a hangout for skinheads and the like since they can drink, watch some half naked women then go beat up drag queens outside. The two locations would be MUCH better. More costly sure but likely less hassle in the long run.

[lumberjack66]

Key word there. BIKER events. You don't really honestly think that outlaw bikers are going to take the time to gather permits and what not do you? Also other key word there. EVENT.. It is a one time event, not a standing business operating on a daily basis. Also they are not doing those events as a business.

Well Daytona Beach has pretty strict ordinances, not sure about Sturgis - even their strip clubs the women have to wear pasties.  There are cops everywhere and most of the stuff at Daytona is not Outlaw Bikers anymore.  However outside of town about 10 miles Southwest in Rural Volusia County you have a place that is known for its coleslaw wrestling and occassional ring wrestling where it was common to see full nudity occur, as well as other bars in the past outside of the Daytona Beach jurisdiction.

Sturgis I think is more hardcore - where the cops pretty much turn the blind eye to a lot of stuff.

I don't think it is really they "turn a blind eye".  Basically the town population explodes  (like 50x) for a couple weeks including some truly bad people.  A lot of the businesses there are only open during the bike rally.  It is more like there is so much real stuff for the cops to focus on (drugs, prostitution, murders, brawls, accidents with injuries or fatalities) that some arranged fun with willing participants doesn't rise high enough on the radar for them to deal with.

[Ed Johnson]

LJ pretty much nailed it right. There are so many higher priorities during that time frame that the police just ignore it unless it rises to a level of criminality. Although i'm fairly sure that if one of those matches resulted in a serious injury and or death the police would be instantly involved. And yes, even in something as trivial as coleslaw wrestling accidents do happen that can result in serious injury. Also wanted to give LJ props, I did not even think about the impact of the differing groups of people in one location. heh. I was so intent on the civil ordinances that I never even considered the mixing of "oil and water" if you will. I think the moral of this story, and the lack of input by the OP indicates that this is a fairly flawed concept.
LJ came up with some great ideas, including making two different venues. My advice to the OP would be to actually send him a PM.