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Female Fighting and Feminism

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Offline GirlsStreetfightlover

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Female Fighting and Feminism
« on: July 30, 2022, 01:30:02 PM »
I know this is a place where fighting women and girls are objects of varying and often very specific and mostly male fantasies first of all.

What I would like to find out is: Is there an emancipatory element in (cat)fighting? I do not so much want to discuss Martial arts/combat sports, because I believe there is that for sure. Experiences with that are welcome though.

But what about fights you get into spontaneous, or organized private fights? Have you ladies ever made the experience of that being a kind of empowerment, in the meaning of did it make you feel stronger as a woman? Maybe even when the fight went wrong for you? And are any guys around who would define themselves as feminists and how does that match with your fighting fetish/fantasies?

I e. g. like to fantasize about women fighting each other really hard, and to some point this has to sound pretty misogynistic. But I admire women and often get along with them way better than with men in real life. And I still sometimes feel this is kind of schizophrenic...

Would appreciate to read about your thoughts and experiences. :)

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Re: Female Fighting and Feminism
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2022, 01:53:36 PM »
When the fights happen at an all-girls school type of setting, it becomes more empowering.  It's jockeying for status in the eyes of the other girls.

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Re: Female Fighting and Feminism
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2022, 02:11:50 PM »
Since you want to hear from a feminist, I thought I’d give it a try.

Feminism is about full rights, respect and equal opportunities for women. However, feminists have very diverse views on sexuality. Many are strongly opposed to pornography on the grounds that it’s exploitative, demeaning and subversive. Others, using the term, “sex-positive” feel any woman’s sexual activity, including sex work, is fine as long as it’s her free choice, she enjoys it, and there is no coercion. I had a stripper friend who said she felt empowered and that  the exploitation worked two ways.

Most feminists are fine with women competing in formal combat sports. They would not be ok with irl catfights the same way no decent human being would want to see human beings getting hurt. As for catfight fantasies, feminists would not approve of most of the material on FCF. Common themes in catfight stories, like physical or emotional harm, fighting over a man, humiliation, etc. are all deal breakers.

That said, my own perspective on catfight stories can be found in my profile. An occasional woman, like me, can see artistic and erotic expression in fantasy only. All of the female fight artwork in my photo gallery were created by women. In short, as someone who has been in large groups of women for my entire adult life, I use catfights as metaphorical stand-ins for the crappy way women (including outspoken feminists) often treat each other.

Near the end of my story “The Poacher”, I wrote:

“For weeks, the fight between Katie and Paula replayed in my mind. No doubt, it was the strangest, most incomprehensibly vile thing I’d ever witness. How on earth could women treat each other like that? But the funny thing is, that over time, I saw catfights everywhere. Not physical fights, but in the form of gossip, lying, backbiting and worse. At work. At the gym. In my neighborhood. In my social circles. Is spreading untrue stories really much different than slapping and scratching? Could harming someone’s reputation be worse than stripping them naked? Is destroying a person’s dignity and self worth in the board room the moral equivalent of shoving your vagina in their face? Do the people we step on to advance our careers become trophies mounted on the walls of our minds? Perhaps Paula and Katie only personified what we figuratively do to each other every day.”

I hope this makes sense.

Finally, I know many guys here feel conflicted. Your fetish is part of your sexuality. You didn’t choose it. It just happened, just like we don’t choose our sexual orientation. If you worry that your fantasies are misogynistic, that need not define you as a person, nor prevent you from having healthy, mutually respectful relationships with women. Everyone has a private kink of some sort. I’d rather have a husband with a catfight fetish than a guy who wants me to tie him up and stomp all over his naked body while wearing stiletto heels.  :)
Don’t bother walking a mile in my shoes. That would be boring. Spend thirty seconds in my head. That’ll freak you right out.

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Re: Female Fighting and Feminism
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2022, 03:02:07 PM »
Kiva's response, the career-oriented part, reminded me that the pandemic has given us a new venue to compete with and trounce a femsle office rival:  the Zoom call.  Look better than her, outwit her, outclick her, and the promotion is yours.

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Re: Female Fighting and Feminism
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2022, 08:31:40 PM »
Yes, I've always felt it was liberating to be able to express my anger and frustration with other women against other women (and them with me).  The times are definitely changing.  When I started fighting in HS, I didn't know I desired to fight.  It just happened and the circumstances pointed me in this direction.  At that time, it wasn't so acceptable for us girls to fight.  It was still looked upon as unladylike, and my parents still feel that way to this day.  But over the last 15-20 years, the view of society has changed and women and girls are now expected to have their fights, just like men and boys.  Indeed, I think that society is now showing an acceptance, if not a preference, to watch us women settle things, as opposed to the men.  The thing is, fighting (unlike mere competition) is not a safe and sane undertaking.  It carries serious consequences for both fighters.  It is only liberating where both combatants have chosen to fight.  Bullying, jumping, ganging, abuse and other types of non-voluntary attacks are not liberating at all; they are criminal assaults.  Yes, voluntary fighting is liberating, dangerous, thrilling and painful.

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Re: Female Fighting and Feminism
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2022, 07:14:55 AM »
Kiva, you make excellent points.

My take on the appeal of combative women is that violence in the feminine milieu is particularly transgressive. It's not expected in the normal array of woman to woman interactions. With men, fighting is not considered totally out of the ordinary. But women?

Likewise, feminism is somewhat transgressive in itself when you contrast it against the way women were viewed most of society. Equal pay? Your right to open a credit card in your name? Vote?  Bite your tongue!

Now a man watching women interact and suddenly seeing a fight highlights the transgression. And if a woman does that, God only knows what she would be like sexually. The passion!

Norm violations are frequently greeted with shock or amazement or even disgust. But it's almost impossible not to watch.

I may be all wet here, but that's how I see it.