[shesfinished]

When producers wait too long to book more fights and the catfighters retire.

Surely studios like suitefights should be able to book multiple fights when the models are still interested and in the industry
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Good point. One a month sounds doable.

[Gitter73]

 as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.

[shesfinished]

as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.

Well put. I think the upcoming Suitefights catfight will surprise many IMO.

[jaybee]

as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.

I thought long and hard about replying to this comment because like you touched on I just don't have the energy to be arguing on a catfight forum over my thoughts over something as trivial as a catfight but fuck it... here goes... I COMPLETELY AGREE with your post. As far as Vika is concerned I absolutely LOVE her! She's one of my favorites on the scene right now and I have probably every match she's filmed accept the ones she's done for Suitfights so let me reiterate I am a HUGE fan of hers so me missing out on any matches she does is saying a hell of a lot. Again for all the reasons you brilliantly stated I've completely just cooled on the real catfight scene. To be fair I've not only soured on Suitfights I feel the same for different reasons about all the companies. Again the muddled finishes (or non finishes), way too short bouts for my taste, repetitive action,  girls barely engaging and attempting to actually fight I think the glory days are over. I don't know whats gone wrong but something seems to have changed after what I consider the last good real catfight and that was Suitfights Nikki vs Mila and even that was stopped prematurely but was still good nevertheless. Sorry to ruffle feathers but it's nothing personal don't stop producing content it just takes that one spark (excellent fight) to ignite my interest again. Hopefully some of these upcoming fights will do just that.

[pingpong]

as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.

I thought long and hard about replying to this comment because like you touched on I just don't have the energy to be arguing on a catfight forum over my thoughts over something as trivial as a catfight but fuck it... here goes... I COMPLETELY AGREE with your post. As far as Vika is concerned I absolutely LOVE her! She's one of my favorites on the scene right now and I have probably every match she's filmed accept the ones she's done for Suitfights so let me reiterate I am a HUGE fan of hers so me missing out on any matches she does is saying a hell of a lot. Again for all the reasons you brilliantly stated I've completely just cooled on the real catfight scene. To be fair I've not only soured on Suitfights I feel the same for different reasons about all the companies. Again the muddled finishes (or non finishes), way too short bouts for my taste, repetitive action,  girls barely engaging and attempting to actually fight I think the glory days are over. I don't know whats gone wrong but something seems to have changed after what I consider the last good real catfight and that was Suitfights Nikki vs Mila and even that was stopped prematurely but was still good nevertheless. Sorry to ruffle feathers but it's nothing personal don't stop producing content it just takes that one spark (excellent fight) to ignite my interest again. Hopefully some of these upcoming fights will do just that.

I agree that the a couple of Suitfight matches were blah. Aubrey vs Brooke, Zamra vs Bella Luxx and ivy vs Bella come to mind. Mila vs Nikki should have continued with more rounds. I think Nikki's return against Bella Luxx hopefully will turn the lackluster trend around as both ladies seem tomwant to really go at it.

[jaybee]

as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.

I thought long and hard about replying to this comment because like you touched on I just don't have the energy to be arguing on a catfight forum over my thoughts over something as trivial as a catfight but fuck it... here goes... I COMPLETELY AGREE with your post. As far as Vika is concerned I absolutely LOVE her! She's one of my favorites on the scene right now and I have probably every match she's filmed accept the ones she's done for Suitfights so let me reiterate I am a HUGE fan of hers so me missing out on any matches she does is saying a hell of a lot. Again for all the reasons you brilliantly stated I've completely just cooled on the real catfight scene. To be fair I've not only soured on Suitfights I feel the same for different reasons about all the companies. Again the muddled finishes (or non finishes), way too short bouts for my taste, repetitive action,  girls barely engaging and attempting to actually fight I think the glory days are over. I don't know whats gone wrong but something seems to have changed after what I consider the last good real catfight and that was Suitfights Nikki vs Mila and even that was stopped prematurely but was still good nevertheless. Sorry to ruffle feathers but it's nothing personal don't stop producing content it just takes that one spark (excellent fight) to ignite my interest again. Hopefully some of these upcoming fights will do just that.

I agree that the a couple of Suitfight matches were blah. Aubrey vs Brooke, Zamra vs Bella Luxx and ivy vs Bella come to mind. Mila vs Nikki should have continued with more rounds. I think Nikki's return against Bella Luxx hopefully will turn the lackluster trend around as both ladies seem tomwant to really go at it.

If I may clarify my last post there has been SOME "good" catfights since Mila vs Nikki but nothing that stood out. The replay value of almost all the fights after Nikki vs Mila IMO has been next to nothing not saying that that fight was the greatest fight ever (nothing will dethrone SF Mira vs Jess 2) but that fight (NIKKI, MILA) was the end of a golden era and the start of the time period when things started to decline. IMO all tge companies took a drop after that. I miss early Sarah Brook, Jess, Mira, Mila at Suitfights and Pandora, Killer sex, Skylar, and Rebel to name a few tearing it up at Catzreview plus other companies putting on stellar fights as well.

[sinclairfan]

as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fiights.  Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on.

I thought Santana's pre-fight interview was revealing on the dimension of what the girls' motivation is.  She said she was training for controlled mma, so it wasn't violent ...... but she got a hint of an adrenaline rush, and wanted more.

So.....

If you're looking for a moderate adrenaline rush, the girls can help you.  But if you're looking for violence, they can't.

[Flamingo]

as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fiights.  Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on.

I thought Santana's pre-fight interview was revealing on the dimension of what the girls' motivation is.  She said she was training for controlled mma, so it wasn't violent ...... but she got a hint of an adrenaline rush, and wanted more.

So.....

If you're looking for a moderate adrenaline rush, the girls can help you.  But if you're looking for violence, they can't.

Hairpulling and tit mauling is incredibly violent

[docstup]

I have read this entire thread and would like to weigh in as a producer. Now as many of you know BaeFight is much more known for our scripted fights, that's what 95% of our films are. Probably 4% are competitive wrestling (it's real but has many rules, the baes win by pinning or submitting with leg scissors; it looks a lot like unskilled high school wrestling), and 1% real catfights.

I also want to say that I am a fan of combat sports--I wrote a thesis paper in college on boxing. I watched the first 15 or so UFC's live and even attended one of their single digit events.

BaeFight is a bit over 4 years old. For real fights, we produced Gia Love vs Vanessa, Paris vs Alexa Brooke, and just last week Scarlett vs Anastasia. Next week we will be putting on Gia Love vs Kilo.

As a producer, there is only so much we have control over. The matchup, of course, the rules, and attire; though all this also requires great input from the fighters.

I'm always taken aback when I get questions like, "Will they strip each other? Will they twist nipples?" and so forth. My answer is, "I have no idea. It's a real fight." I mean, sometimes you pay your money and get Ali-Frazier (a classic), sometimes it's Tyson-Spinks (a 91 second knockout), and sometimes it's Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith (a snooze fest). Point is, (and I'm sorry, I know those references are quite dated, lol) it's real and anyone would be remiss were they to say in advance what will happen.

That is, of course, if it is actually real and not fixed and fixed doesn't necessarily mean scripted or pre-determined who wins. Fixed can be simply someone is encouraging the participants to do something in particular, like strip their opponent or to be sure to grab her pussy, whatever it may be. Some producers, I believe do coach the girls to do certain things.

At BaeFight, we do not. We encourage them to fight hard and try to win. It is also important to note that nobody wants anyone to be injured, their safety is in each other's hands. Even when there is animosity between the two, they must not cross the line from trying to get a submission to trying to injure. Fight hard and try to win.

I take this very seriously. All of it. Starting with the matchup. Our first two, we got right. Both were good, competitive matches. Last week's was not. One of the fighters had never worked with us. She was referred to us by a fighter that we have great respect for. This girl talked the talk and we bought it, thinking that as the sizes of the two were perfect and they were both talking a great game, that the fight would be fair. It was not. Anastasia was clearly no match for Scarlett. Doing scripted matches does give you great insight as to who would be good in a real fight or not. Some have great instincts and others have no clue. Had we shot a fake match with Anastasia, we'd have realized she had no clue. Scarlett, on the other hand is a real fighter.

That fight was hard to watch and I have to admit, we considered stopping it. Anastasia was so brave and wouldn't submit despite getting pummeled. Every time we asked her, she wanted to keep going. She said she felt if she didn't submit, she could win. This made Scarlett, who I believe realized right away the mismatch and sort of took it a bit easy in the 1st round, to go even harder as she was determined to win the prize money. As we went to the 3rd round at 0-0, Scarlett made sure she beat at least one submission out of Anastasia.

For Monday's fight, Gia vs Kilo, I believe we will have a great fight. Gia is bigger and is experienced in this type of catfighting. Kilo is taller, strong, and fit. She is also a street fighter, she has had numerous fights. From her scripted ones, it's clear she knows what she's doing. I truly think this will be a crazy good fight. But it might not be, who knows? All I can guarantee is that it will be real.

I guess I got a little off topic there but as a producer, there are so many things to think of. We have done so few because they are so hard to put on. It's a very scary thing. Number one will always be safety. Fortunately we have not had any that got out of hand. Hopefully that will remain the case and we will always see the fight go the full-time.

For me, what I don't like, is if a real one simply isn't real. If the fighters don't give full effort from the start. I mean, they may quickly realize they're over their head and that changes everything. But what I want is effort, try to win. Sure things like someone talking or coaching can be annoying though I know we did a bit last fight, letting Anastasia know that she could tap out anytime, maybe even encouraging her to do so. But if a fight is short, if neither can win (due to an even matchup and not that they aren't trying hard), if they don't end up naked, or particular holds or moves aren't used--none of that bothers me as longs it's a real, honest effort. That's the beauty of a fight, it is unpredictable. You should never know what you're about to get. Sure, you may have a great idea of who will win but it is simply the idea that you just don't know what will happen that makes watching a fight so exciting for me.

Sorry to be so long winded and I'm not even sure I said what I had set out to say, lol. Thanks for your time.

www.BaeFight.com

[shesfinished]

I have read this entire thread and would like to weigh in as a producer. Now as many of you know BaeFight is much more known for our scripted fights, that's what 95% of our films are. Probably 4% are competitive wrestling (it's real but has many rules, the baes win by pinning or submitting with leg scissors; it looks a lot like unskilled high school wrestling), and 1% real catfights.

I also want to say that I am a fan of combat sports--I wrote a thesis paper in college on boxing. I watched the first 15 or so UFC's live and even attended one of their single digit events.

BaeFight is a bit over 4 years old. For real fights, we produced Gia Love vs Vanessa, Paris vs Alexa Brooke, and just last week Scarlett vs Anastasia. Next week we will be putting on Gia Love vs Kilo.

As a producer, there is only so much we have control over. The matchup, of course, the rules, and attire; though all this also requires great input from the fighters.

I'm always taken aback when I get questions like, "Will they strip each other? Will they twist nipples?" and so forth. My answer is, "I have no idea. It's a real fight." I mean, sometimes you pay your money and get Ali-Frazier (a classic), sometimes it's Tyson-Spinks (a 91 second knockout), and sometimes it's Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith (a snooze fest). Point is, (and I'm sorry, I know those references are quite dated, lol) it's real and anyone would be remiss were they to say in advance what will happen.

That is, of course, if it is actually real and not fixed and fixed doesn't necessarily mean scripted or pre-determined who wins. Fixed can be simply someone is encouraging the participants to do something in particular, like strip their opponent or to be sure to grab her pussy, whatever it may be. Some producers, I believe do coach the girls to do certain things.

At BaeFight, we do not. We encourage them to fight hard and try to win. It is also important to note that nobody wants anyone to be injured, their safety is in each other's hands. Even when there is animosity between the two, they must not cross the line from trying to get a submission to trying to injure. Fight hard and try to win.

I take this very seriously. All of it. Starting with the matchup. Our first two, we got right. Both were good, competitive matches. Last week's was not. One of the fighters had never worked with us. She was referred to us by a fighter that we have great respect for. This girl talked the talk and we bought it, thinking that as the sizes of the two were perfect and they were both talking a great game, that the fight would be fair. It was not. Anastasia was clearly no match for Scarlett. Doing scripted matches does give you great insight as to who would be good in a real fight or not. Some have great instincts and others have no clue. Had we shot a fake match with Anastasia, we'd have realized she had no clue. Scarlett, on the other hand is a real fighter.

That fight was hard to watch and I have to admit, we considered stopping it. Anastasia was so brave and wouldn't submit despite getting pummeled. Every time we asked her, she wanted to keep going. She said she felt if she didn't submit, she could win. This made Scarlett, who I believe realized right away the mismatch and sort of took it a bit easy in the 1st round, to go even harder as she was determined to win the prize money. As we went to the 3rd round at 0-0, Scarlett made sure she beat at least one submission out of Anastasia.

For Monday's fight, Gia vs Kilo, I believe we will have a great fight. Gia is bigger and is experienced in this type of catfighting. Kilo is taller, strong, and fit. She is also a street fighter, she has had numerous fights. From her scripted ones, it's clear she knows what she's doing. I truly think this will be a crazy good fight. But it might not be, who knows? All I can guarantee is that it will be real.

I guess I got a little off topic there but as a producer, there are so many things to think of. We have done so few because they are so hard to put on. It's a very scary thing. Number one will always be safety. Fortunately we have not had any that got out of hand. Hopefully that will remain the case and we will always see the fight go the full-time.

For me, what I don't like, is if a real one simply isn't real. If the fighters don't give full effort from the start. I mean, they may quickly realize they're over their head and that changes everything. But what I want is effort, try to win. Sure things like someone talking or coaching can be annoying though I know we did a bit last fight, letting Anastasia know that she could tap out anytime, maybe even encouraging her to do so. But if a fight is short, if neither can win (due to an even matchup and not that they aren't trying hard), if they don't end up naked, or particular holds or moves aren't used--none of that bothers me as longs it's a real, honest effort. That's the beauty of a fight, it is unpredictable. You should never know what you're about to get. Sure, you may have a great idea of who will win but it is simply the idea that you just don't know what will happen that makes watching a fight so exciting for me.

Sorry to be so long winded and I'm not even sure I said what I had set out to say, lol. Thanks for your time.

www.BaeFight.com
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I believe that most catfight aficinados do not want any seriously injured ladies as the result stemming from a catfight The fight should be immediately halted if blood is drawn from strikes to the face or limbs being bent to gain a submission. For me only real unscripted catfights tend to be more intense and raising the level of relentless attacks. When arranging a competitive catfight, rules/format must be agreed upon so mid-understandings arise. This would be the demise of all involved. Personally I prefer real catfight rules such as hairpulling, slapping below the neck and breast/pussy attacks. Love when the ladies engage with these tactics to dish out the utmost punishment to finish the other. Retaliation to attacks generally lead to more explosive actions and increases animosity and the will to win. Violence, street fighting are not my cup of tea and will not support producers who advocate them. Keep doing what you are doing what you are  doing making quality fights. Best of success!

[jaybee]

This is directed @docstup and other producers

I personally would never blame the producers for the fighters performances. I fully understand that when fights are unscripted it ends up however it ends up the producers just set the fight up and film it the rest depends on the fighters sometimes you have bangers and sometimes you have duds thats not you guys fault. The problem a lot of people seem to have is when a fight is prematutely stopped which is a producers decision. I understand why producers stop fights if there is an injury AND I FULLY AGREE WITH THEM...BUT... the issue is these catfights are supposed to be legit correct?... So if two people are participating in a real fight injuries WILL happen major, minor, or  minute (how one hasn't happened in every fight is actually a miracle) now the question is do you risk stopping every fight at the slightest injury? Being the person I am I'd stop the fight if someone gets hurt, these girls are models not professional fighters BUT... this is supposed to be a "real" fight so again injuries are inevitable and I just couldn't stop every fight mid way that would piss off the audience so what do I do? That's the conundrum. With real fights producers are still responsible for the girls well-being so if someone gets hurt I assume the blame and responsibility would fall on them and I'm positive they don't want that so again what is the producer to do? Bottom line is if producers are worried about liability they shouldn't put on real fights the chances of injury are too great. I DEFINITELY wouldn't allow face slapping that's a bad accident waiting to happen and IMO it's unnecessary. I'm on the producers side for stopping fights however I fully understand the fans complaining about stopping fights as well. If I paid to see a legit catfight I'd like to see a real catfight with a decisive winner and with a real fight comes real injuries so if I'm not willing to deal with the injuries as the producer then I shouldn't produce a real fight you kinda can't have it both ways (im talking minor injuries like cuts, scrapes, bruises,  nose bleeds, bloody lips). For that reason I personally would NEVER attempt to stage a legit catfight because I couldn't fully give the audience 100% real catfights.
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I'm not knocking anyone's product I appreciate all of you guys work hell I own most of the real catfights produced over the last 10yrs up until recently. I'm just giving my 2 cents.

[Flamingo]

People get injured during catfights. That is normal as they are trying to make each other quit.

If they dont want to continue that is fine. End the fight.

If both are wanting to continue and the producer ends it prematurely..that's when fans lose faith.

I feel robbed whenever the screen turns black and the producer plays god and ends it. Mila rose vs nikki round 3,4,5 should have happened.  Jacky fay and misty Lovelace should have continued until one quit

[jaybee]

People get injured during catfights. That is normal as they are trying to make each other quit.

If they dont want to continue that is fine. End the fight.

If both are wanting to continue and the producer ends it prematurely..that's when fans lose faith.

I feel robbed whenever the screen turns black and the producer plays god and ends it. Mila rose vs nikki round 3,4,5 should have happened.  Jacky fay and misty Lovelace should have continued until one quit

That's what I was alluding to in my last post if a real catfight is advertised fans want a real catfight and with real catfights come real injuries so the producers are going to have to either be OK with that or make adjustments to what is or isn't allowed to prevent any injuries which would kinda go against what a real catfight is. When I think real catfight I think of ECNWC, crystal films, Girlfight club and things like that they had almost ZERO rules and never stopped a fight prematutely which IMO is unsafe but hey... they give you what they promised. I'm positive Suitfights, Catzreview, Baefights would never stage fights like that (I don't blame them) but like I said you can't halfstep if you're not all in on just letting the fights go unless there's a serious injury or a participant can't/won't  continue and fights keep ending abruptly or prematutely then it's not a 100% legit catfight which is gonna piss diehard catfight fans off. It's more like... limited rules grappling I guess you could say? Wrestling with catty tactics?... idk.

[Flamingo]

Producers would be able to make a lot more money if they ran it like a wrestling company: That the outcomes can be predetermined, the girls fight hard but know that they could make more out of rematches.

If brooke vs lexi had an immediate rematch, it would have sold better than the first. Instead, no producer wanted to make a sequel.

[docstup]

While I cannot speak for any other producer, I can say that we have never stopped a fight despite possibly having reasons to in at least two of the three we put on.

In Vanessa vs Gia Love, Vanessa twisted her ankle fairly badly. It took her a few minutes to be able to stand up and put weight on it. We gave her time to recover and told her it was totally up to her to continue or not. She fought on. Of course we were never going to stop this without her say so.

In our most recent one, Scarlett vs Anastasia, we considered stopping it a few times. It was such a complete mismatch that we were concerned about Anastasia. Between rounds we discussed it with her and each time she told us she wanted to keep going. As she was so brave, the score was still 0-0 going to the 3rd and final round. Had she tapped out a few times, I think we would have been much more likely to take action into our own hands, though with her insistence to keep going, I don't believe we would have stopped it no matter the score. To her credit, Scarlett fought hard and never let up, even after beating the submission out of her. In fact, it seemed to me that Scarlett was more vicious after she was in the lead. I know it was hard for her but she was amazing.

We have a big one tomorrow with Gia Love vs Kilo. We truly believe this will be a great match. I think Kilo will go right at her, will take the action to the larger Gia. Who knows if I'm right or not, it's for real, so anything can happen.

I do want to respond to Flamingo who wrote "Producers would be able to make a lot more money if they ran it like a wrestling company: That the outcomes can be predetermined. . ."  Perhaps I don't understand what you are trying to say but if not, I would think any producer who advertises anything as being real and then attempts to predetermine it at all would (and should) lose all credibility and likely sales. Why would anyone buy a rematch when the 1st one was fixed? I mean, if you want drama and a storyline, check out some of our scripted stuff! I'd recommend the Sorority Fight or Model Fight series. Actually we're in the midst on one now with the Worst Friends series. Our goal is to make them look as realistic as possible, certainly there is no giggling or rolling around, having fun. But when we say we're putting on a real catfight, that's exactly what we do.

Lastly I'll say, and I could be 100% wrong, I think Kilo is on the verge of becoming a major star in the catfight industry. . . She has size, strength, beauty, attitude. . . 

www.baefight.com