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SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie

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Offline deity17313

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2022, 03:26:53 AM »
Anyone know when this catfight will happen and where??
It's probably already happened given the photos on Steves twitter. Just a matter of release at this point. I think the fight was taped awhile back so might be released sometime real soon.  Editing should be done already given the time gap.
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Offline NwukCatfights

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2022, 06:19:14 PM »
All mention of the fight has been taken off of suitefights twitter, not sure why. I’m assuming that because the tweet said December 2022 and now there is going to be a delay.

Hope there hasn’t been an issue with the release.

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2022, 06:27:43 PM »
Noticed that. Assuming this catfight has yet to take place or one of the ladies pulled out. Somewhat unusual.

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2022, 03:27:17 PM »
Noticed that. Assuming this catfight has yet to take place or one of the ladies pulled out. Somewhat unusual.

Maybe, hopefully, Steve will let us know ...

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Offline NwukCatfights

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2023, 12:52:37 PM »
I’m gonna just assume this one has been scrapped, it’s not like Steve to just leave people in the dark as that would be pretty poor service.

Hope everything is ok.

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Offline Keith Stat

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2023, 11:31:50 PM »
Pretty positive this fight was filmed a while ago. I remember him posting pictures of Stephanie a few months ago (the typical modeling ones he takes the day of the shoot) and I've been looking forward to it since then. Maybe we'll see this later, maybe we won't. Totally up to Suitefights if he decides to release it or not, and that's perfectly fine. Sort of unfortunate to officially announce it and then go silent, but who knows if other things are happening behind the scenes.

What did catch my eye checking his Twitter this morning was a pretty unfortunate thread he recently posted. Someone on Twitter did one of their typical "fantasy" catfight polls talking about a Nikki vs Mila rematch (this wasn't sent directly to Suitefights). You can read his thread response as he has it pinned on his profile, but the gist of the situation is he tried to book a rematch in 2018 (but cancelled when one of the fighters smoked weed the day of the fight) and attempted a rematch in 2022 that didn't get seriously past the planning stages as both wanted reduced tactics and Mila was asking for more $. He needs to know this was the right decision. A more expensive and almost assuredly "worse" version of the first fight would have been a let down. While I'm sure there's those that are consistently "loud" in his replies, he needs to know that doesn't reflect the majority. If a fight or fighter is "popular," it goes without saying that he'll try to book a rematch or that talent again if all parties can make it work. It's superbly naïve to think these things aren't happening behind the scenes.

However, he then posted this:

"It’s why I’m raising my rates starting in 2023 and why many (not all) of your favorites won’t be returning. Ever. I’m not even going to send them a courtesy “fuck off.” They don’t deserve it, frankly."

Yeah, I don't love that line. While I'm SURE some of the models deserve it, this kind of blanket statement doesn't reflect well on anyone, and especially so if the models you are upset with aren't badmouthing you in public. You control who gets booked and who gets paid, no need for this. Make your deserved money and make every attempt to avoid unreliable talent in the future.

Totally fine to raise the costs, but seems unnecessary to bring up in a thread venting about "talent."

Also, Nikki wasn't too thrilled for having 2018 issues brought up so many years later and said that Brooke was "at the bar" the day of their fight. So, yeah.

As I've said repeatedly on this board, the patience and insanity involved with booking/filming amateur catfights is EXTRAORDINARY! The million different ways logistically an amateur catfight can go sideways is wild. Getting two models to show up and travel to a fight to hopefully slap each other silly is a goddamn miracle. Hopefully, when an absolute "classic" is filmed, it's profitable and rewarding for the producer. It's why I've said time and time again, support the producers who are doing it the "right" way. It would be amazing if every fight is a Nikki/Bella or Jess/Mira type of thriller, but if the fights are real, they can and will go any type of direction. If someone is making a legitimate effort to film real catfights in 4k between models, it's best to be there there when times are good and "bad."

Another thing, us catfight fans are annoying and rarely know what is best (especially, including myself)! We aren't privy to behind the scenes drama or anything like that. Unless you have an easy to work with "star," I'd almost always suggest attempting to book new talent. It hopefully broadens your potential talent pool while also taking that chance we'll see "fairer" matchups in the future and an expanded roster to deal with booking difficulties.

Unrelated to all of this - the weird Angel slander from earlier in this thread totally has thrown me off. I think she's always given a great effort (she's won multiple times), she's hot and I'd love to see her in future fights. Hope she can find a "rival" and really showcase what I think she has.

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Offline Flamingo

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2023, 01:12:29 AM »
Pretty positive this fight was filmed a while ago. I remember him posting pictures of Stephanie a few months ago (the typical modeling ones he takes the day of the shoot) and I've been looking forward to it since then. Maybe we'll see this later, maybe we won't. Totally up to Suitefights if he decides to release it or not, and that's perfectly fine. Sort of unfortunate to officially announce it and then go silent, but who knows if other things are happening behind the scenes.

What did catch my eye checking his Twitter this morning was a pretty unfortunate thread he recently posted. Someone on Twitter did one of their typical "fantasy" catfight polls talking about a Nikki vs Mila rematch (this wasn't sent directly to Suitefights). You can read his thread response as he has it pinned on his profile, but the gist of the situation is he tried to book a rematch in 2018 (but cancelled when one of the fighters smoked weed the day of the fight) and attempted a rematch in 2022 that didn't get seriously past the planning stages as both wanted reduced tactics and Mila was asking for more $. He needs to know this was the right decision. A more expensive and almost assuredly "worse" version of the first fight would have been a let down. While I'm sure there's those that are consistently "loud" in his replies, he needs to know that doesn't reflect the majority. If a fight or fighter is "popular," it goes without saying that he'll try to book a rematch or that talent again if all parties can make it work. It's superbly naïve to think these things aren't happening behind the scenes.

However, he then posted this:

"It’s why I’m raising my rates starting in 2023 and why many (not all) of your favorites won’t be returning. Ever. I’m not even going to send them a courtesy “fuck off.” They don’t deserve it, frankly."

Yeah, I don't love that line. While I'm SURE some of the models deserve it, this kind of blanket statement doesn't reflect well on anyone, and especially so if the models you are upset with aren't badmouthing you in public. You control who gets booked and who gets paid, no need for this. Make your deserved money and make every attempt to avoid unreliable talent in the future.

Totally fine to raise the costs, but seems unnecessary to bring up in a thread venting about "talent."

Also, Nikki wasn't too thrilled for having 2018 issues brought up so many years later and said that Brooke was "at the bar" the day of their fight. So, yeah.

As I've said repeatedly on this board, the patience and insanity involved with booking/filming amateur catfights is EXTRAORDINARY! The million different ways logistically an amateur catfight can go sideways is wild. Getting two models to show up and travel to a fight to hopefully slap each other silly is a goddamn miracle. Hopefully, when an absolute "classic" is filmed, it's profitable and rewarding for the producer. It's why I've said time and time again, support the producers who are doing it the "right" way. It would be amazing if every fight is a Nikki/Bella or Jess/Mira type of thriller, but if the fights are real, they can and will go any type of direction. If someone is making a legitimate effort to film real catfights in 4k between models, it's best to be there there when times are good and "bad."

Another thing, us catfight fans are annoying and rarely know what is best (especially, including myself)! We aren't privy to behind the scenes drama or anything like that. Unless you have an easy to work with "star," I'd almost always suggest attempting to book new talent. It hopefully broadens your potential talent pool while also taking that chance we'll see "fairer" matchups in the future and an expanded roster to deal with booking difficulties.

Unrelated to all of this - the weird Angel slander from earlier in this thread totally has thrown me off. I think she's always given a great effort (she's won multiple times), she's hot and I'd love to see her in future fights. Hope she can find a "rival" and really showcase what I think she has.

I would be happy to pay more money for catfights that dont have  draws as a finish or crappy "things were getting too heated" endings. Let them have it out like mira vs jess 2

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Offline halhow3

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2023, 08:48:33 PM »
If you think about the logistics of a Suitefights production it is pretty amazing.

Schedule two fighters (perhaps not reliable) to fly to a meeting city, while you show up, rent a room and bring a camera crew.  Cost = airline tickets, room rental, pay the crew, pay the stars.

Then something doesn't work out.  Total loss.

It isn't surprising these matches get cancelled sometimes.  It is more surprising one ever gets pulled off.

How did companies like Golden Girls, DWW or others pull this off?

Well the product is a different, so it is easier to get opponents.  They have a stable of steady wrestlers and when they do a shoot, they have perhaps a dozen girls invited.  If a few don't show they still have enough to film.  They pair them off, shoot SEVERAL videos and wrap it up.

So why can't Suitefights do this?

Well for a start he doesn't have 50+ girls working exclusively for him and frankly he can't.  While the DWW crowd is very athletic, very attractive and very skilled, even they are not doing, true Rules Catfights.

The pool of available opponents for "She can't scratch your eyes out otherwise GO" is pretty small.  But it is Rules Catfights that make Suitefight's product stand out.

I see no solution to this problem for Suitefights.  It is always just going to be hit-or-miss for any matchup.

Sometimes a gem falls out of the sky (Jess vs Mira), (Bella vs Nikki), the rest of the time only patience will do.

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2023, 09:07:59 PM »
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority.  Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product.  Who cares what they say?

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2023, 09:29:04 PM »
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority.  Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product.  Who cares what they say?

It's important to listen to your paying customers.  People who are vocal, usually promote what they love for free and recommend the products to their friends.

Not listening and doing the same old dusty finish/draw/ premature stoppage is more damaging

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Offline NwukCatfights

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2023, 01:15:37 AM »
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority.  Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product.  Who cares what they say?

Mad if you think 5,000 people buy a Catfight video. If that was the case they would make 150k -250k per fight and money would be no issue with any fighter.

Most get 50-100. Most popular slightly more

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Offline Flamingo

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2023, 01:59:39 AM »
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority.  Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product.  Who cares what they say?

Mad if you think 5,000 people buy a Catfight video. If that was the case they would make 150k -250k per fight and money would be no issue with any fighter.

Most get 50-100. Most popular slightly more

Sales would really depend on distribution channels. If the matches like jess vs mira 1,2,3 or the phat pharrah catalogue disapear overnight,  how can thet sell well?!?
It takes a while for catfight fans to discover clips of new producers. By the time they do, the studio is long gone.

Only 50 fans isnt bad if the fans are willing to sponsor,  support, buy and promote the product. If they auction off the hair from a catfight,  it could go for thousands

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2023, 04:40:07 AM »
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority.  Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product.  Who cares what they say?

It's important to listen to your paying customers.  People who are vocal, usually promote what they love for free and recommend the products to their friends.

Not listening and doing the same old dusty finish/draw/ premature stoppage is more damaging

Shoot, half the people that are really vocal aren't paying customers, they hit me up in private messages for free copies of SF videos, which I decline. 

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Offline Flamingo

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2023, 05:27:11 AM »
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority.  Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product.  Who cares what they say?

It's important to listen to your paying customers.  People who are vocal, usually promote what they love for free and recommend the products to their friends.

Not listening and doing the same old dusty finish/draw/ premature stoppage is more damaging

Shoot, half the people that are really vocal aren't paying customers, they hit me up in private messages for free copies of SF videos, which I decline.

It doesn't help that some of his best catfights like the mira vs jess trilogy isnt available to purchase anymore

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Re: SuiteFights: Angel vs. Stephanie
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2023, 06:14:07 PM »
Update from Suitefights on Twitter:

Angel vs. Stephanie has NOT been cancelled. The publishment has just been delayed slightly. No new date yet.