[NwukCatfights]

I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.

I confirm it happened

MW knows one of the participants.

Long story short, VERY short catfight, good energy from the girls, but not a lot happened. Will probably bundle it with another fight if I ever release it.

ETA: I realize you guys want to see Ziva vs Rina, even though I’m concerned y’all won’t like it. I feel like my last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches and I’m struggling to recapture that “mojo”, so to speak.

In addition, I got a lot going on outside the business right now, but I intend to make ZvR free (for 24 hours only) once it releases. Thank you for your patience so far.

When you say your "last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches " YOU BETTER NOT be including the 2nd and 3rd Oil event's!  Those are my favorite videos you've ever produced. The 3 girl video with Sunni, Vivian, and Kylie is definitely in the running to become my FAVORITE female wrestling video of all time and thats coming from a collector with  over 1000 catfight/wrestling videos dating back to the 50s.

I was referring to catfights specifically, but the oil wrestling could be improved by allowing a greater variety of submission holds, IMO.

In regards to the Oil Wrestling...
I agree depending on what new holds you allow. Joint locks and jujitsu moves could be overwhelming to inexperienced wrestlers and the fights could become to lopsided. IMO... You should/could allow breast mauling then everything would be 100% satisfactory. The current behind the scenes conversation is a lot of the girls nowadays don't like the hairpulling (thats why i didn't include it)so that can be allowed only if all the girls involved agree. Some miss that but me personally I feel the girls usually rely too heavily on that (hairpulling) and that ALWAYS brings the match to a boring stalemate. Thats almost directly the reason why I've grown bored with the real catfights. They've become monotonous. PLEASE don't change the match format under any circumstances. The most submissions in 25min format guarantees an epic battle and with the current rules there's been less injuries and early stoppages so the matches have been going the distance. Plus once fatigue sets in between the girls the struggling has made the matches 10x hotter! IMO 

This is where personal tastes vary so much in this genre as hairpulling is the best thing about catfights for me.

The oil wrestling just doesn’t do it for me at all. I get why it would for others, and get why they’re easier to film. But I’ll be honest  guttee that my favourite Catfight producer has made less catfights for oil wrestling. But that’s just my own opinion.

[tr0tz]

The oil wrestling just doesn’t do it for me at all. I get why it would for others, and get why they’re easier to film. But I’ll be honest  guttee that my favourite Catfight producer has made less catfights for oil wrestling. But that’s just my own opinion.

Same with me. It's nice to see the oil wrestling going full length, but I adore the competitiveness of SuiteFight's catfights with hair pulling and tit mauling.

But I love SuiteFights striving for high quality matches and trying to evolve. And in an ideal world, SuiteFights and some models could live from producing catfights and oil wrestling matches and there would be at least two, three similar, regular producers.

Seriously: If we had someone wealthy in our ranks, he/she should create a foundation that supports the production of catfights. Currently, the niche seems to be too small to make enough profit for a company to sustain itself. A foundation with the aim of producing catfights on a regular level, not making any losses in the long term, would already be nice and helpful to produce videos on a regular level.

[Driver47]

For me ill always be a big time real catfight fan.Suitefights has done some of my favorite real catfights of all time. And i,m hoping more classics will come from him. As for oil wresting i see why he's added that to the inventory easy to film low cost and now more female availability. Not my thing personally will patiently wait for that real catfight in-between these oil wrestling matches. Like the idea of a wealthy catfight benefactor 

[pingpong]

Prefer a good old, intense catfight when the ladies are determined.to go all-out for the win. Oil wrestling just does not do it for me and just not exciting. Perhaps better submission tactics could be employed such as tit/pussy grabs would add a little spice to the action. I tend to agree that hairpulling should not be permitted in oil as it would stall the action IMO. Still SF's is the best and I will continue to support their efforts.

[Gitter73]

At the risk of repeating myself, a  quick summary of my desired and not so desired video elements.

Positive: real, intense, hair pulling, sound, looks not that important, sexy clothing, few rules.

Negative: scripted, competitive (no obvious intensity), laughing, friendly talk, holds that are obviously not applied with meaning, opponents who show up sick, fake boob and crotch action (just skip it, or advertise it as “simulated.” No Oil.

These represent my preferences and the rest of you may disagree on some.

[simon]

I think is very difficult to produce catfights now a days. At least with Models that are online and so on ..

If you think about the past, girls were willing to wrestle pull hair for both money and often boyfriend or husband watching, Bob of ECNWC was the master of directing these scenario. Maybe what it will take is a wife, girlfriend, of a couple of fans to ask Steve to produce.

Steve can be selective, like Bob was, and agree to produce with the right ladies for a good scrap.

[John1527]

It's gotta be about what the women get out of it. They want to grow their OF, subscribers, followers, etc... it's a means to an end for them. Having a better quality of production, lighting, makeup, ambiance, will bring more money in the end beyond their pay for the production. It's gotta be tough dealing with "performers" and catering to their egos but a good businessman is also a middle man. Bring them positive views and flattering images/videos and they'll flock to you...
Look at Vixen productions and the lighting they use (darkened rooms, ring lights, etc) it really accentuates the women, now imagine that in an oil wrestling production. Better build-ups, staging, and make-up would probably pay dividends in growing not only the viewership but also the pool of women wanting to get put on that pedestal and try their hands.

Just my thoughts as a fan/nobody that appreciates the producers and models that put on the show!

[Goodluck]

Good discussion going.

For the hairpulling fans, including myself, it's the #1 thing.   Take for instance DWW and their monthly releases, they hold back the hairpulling ones, just releasing a few each time and mention it for sure in the description because it is a seller.

Nikki , Jess, Mira, Alexa Brooke, etc. one of a kind great finds.

Most models/porn stars, they just won't be that into it and will flake and be meh. 

Dipping into wives/girlfriends is really the best or bartenders, "actresses"  , Mira types that do cosplay, might just do it if they aren't doing a nude thing.    Some girl actually like the fighting , but fighting and nudity, that's a hard one.   I think East Coast Cats is a good example, a pretty unique range of participants.   

[large_head]

I respect Suitefights for only trying to put out the best quality product.

But at the same time I think it should be looked at like a competitive sport. You get a range of different outcomes in boxing/football/basketball whatever, diff is people have paid up front to see them.

You get short matches, long matches, one sided matches, one sided matches where the underdog pulls something out last minute, high scoring highly skilled matches, dour defensive matches and they all hold charm.  Some days people just aren’t at their best. It doesn’t necessarily make you not want to watch them.

Maybe a pricing scale that They can be put up at. Category 1 - if he thinks it is lacklustre or short up to 4- all time classic.
Lexi vs Sarah Brooke was short, glad we didn’t miss out on that.  Sometimes seeing the lesser fights also illustrates how your favs change and develop as well. Maybe learning high intensity, to more skills or toughness.

But with that I think the community also needs to tone it down a bit.  I don’t post much on here because their are too many people with outrageous and overly demanding views.
‘I’ve paid $20 and have 2 fav woman (it must be those 2) who must fight for at least x mins, in x outfight with x pussy grabs and y face slaps and x titmauling, and one of them has to cry.  And if it doesn’t happen it’s terrible and I’ll whinge incessantly’

It’s a competitive endeavour and I don’t know if anyone on here has been involved in much of this themselves personally but no one constantly puts out there best. And I mean no one, or otherwise we would have the same winner every time.

There are athletes on multi-million $ contracts that can’t hit a ball or make a shot some nights, or are sluggish on others. Or throw strops when things aren’t going there way or just perform below their best.  Do you think the models doing this on an odd weekend for comparatively peanuts are going to be any diff?

You want an exact outcome. Pay for a custom. Deal with the lack of realness.

Myself the competitive nature and the many different outcomes and the possibilities it brings is what draws me to this.  That and the beautiful women that are prepared to do it of course.

Personally I’d be happy to see the ‘lesser’ fights. Whether at a discount or full price.  I’d hate it to be like EWNWC where we know fights we wanted to see happen but they were never released and are now gone forever.

[Goodluck]

1,000% yes.   To repeat as I have before, P grabs and breast mauling isn't realistic and isn't "real" in a sense, no girl who gets into a fight goes to these tactics , hairpulling though, yes.   If it's there, in essence, it's scripted or encouraged by a producer. 
 

[large_head]

Yes and no. Even hair pulling doesn’t have to happen, it’s natural so will most of the time, and I’ll enjoy it when it does.
Just accept that each fight will be diff, and if the trailer/stills/description don’t float your boat don’t buy it.

Each woman/competition is diff.  Vira (who I loved) basically replicated whatever attack happened to her. They pulled her hair, she did it back, they kicked her, she did it back, they grabbed her tit, she did it back. Mila on the other hand cycled through attacks till she found a weakness. Usually started by trying to hairpull/toss them around with her strength. If that didn’t worked moved on to using hairpulling and her legs to keep her distance, then would try tit grabbing and pussy grabs if required.  Like her fight with Tilly, realised she couldn’t bully her physically but once she realised she didn’t like her tits being grabbed just stuck with it for the rest of the fight, which mean almost no hairpulling.  Some probably go in with tactics, others probably let it evolve.

We as spectators should just be a bit more grateful that we have the chance to see it at all for a small fee.

[Flamingo]

We should just send him to thailand to make catfight films. Talent at the gogo bars would be cheaper,  film it at a love motel which can be rented per hour. Get thai vs russian girls catfighting.
Instead we gi months without anything.  The occasional promise, then its unreleased.  2023 hasnt been a great year for catfights

[jaybee]

Wow, I mentioned how I personally prefer (at this point) Suitefights Oil matches and how I hate excessive hair pulling and this thread blows up Lol! All because I said I hope SF didn't dislike the oil matches they'd been releasing and that I enjoyed them more than the catfights they'd produced particularly the ones over the last couple of years. When it comes to catfights  the the qustions that need to be answered(TO ME) are 1 whether the fight was hot or not,  and 2 was I entertained. I don't really care about the level of violence or competitiveness (as long as there's some effort given to make it seem competitive) because the fact is we're looking at half naked to fully naked women voluntarily grabbing each other's private parts how serious/legit are we ment to take this? At the end of the day it's all FANTASY folks just based off of the concept of what we define as a catfight the whole thing is a bit ridiculous to begin with. I think some of us take this waaaaay to seriously like it's UFC or some other combat sport. Basically, we're all here to see hot women rolling around with each other and somewhere along the way we've kind of lost track of the basic plot Because some of us are expecting way too much from a bunch of models and adult actresses. Some peoples expectations outpace the reality of the situation.

[NwukCatfights]

One thing i will say is it absolutely baffles me that a producer wouldn’t release a clip because they don’t think it’s very good.

One thing this thread has clearly proven is that there are many different views of what people see as a great Catfight.

So for me, it’s essentially the producer saying it’s not their Vision of good, or not what they wanted, which is kind of the same as what seems to be being said by people in the recent replies.

Slap city have done this many times, he said he had 3 recorded fights that he didn’t think “were to his standard” and just said he wouldn’t release them, he’s also not released his latest fight after saying he would 15 times. The thing with this is those fights could literally be some people’s perfect video who prefer untrained timid girls in a real fight setting.

I also feel bad for Steve when he feels like he’s had videos that aren’t great and sells them for a heavy discount (which is amazing for all of us). When some people will feel like they’ve got the bargain of a life time.

[Goodluck]

Wow, I mentioned how I personally prefer (at this point) Suitefights Oil matches and how I hate excessive hair pulling and this thread blows up Lol! All because I said I hope SF didn't dislike the oil matches they'd been releasing and that I enjoyed them more than the catfights they'd produced particularly the ones over the last couple of years. When it comes to catfights  the the qustions that need to be answered(TO ME) are 1 whether the fight was hot or not,  and 2 was I entertained. I don't really care about the level of violence or competitiveness (as long as there's some effort given to make it seem competitive) because the fact is we're looking at half naked to fully naked women voluntarily grabbing each other's private parts how serious/legit are we ment to take this? At the end of the day it's all FANTASY folks just based off of the concept of what we define as a catfight the whole thing is a bit ridiculous to begin with. I think some of us take this waaaaay to seriously like it's UFC or some other combat sport. Basically, we're all here to see hot women rolling around with each other and somewhere along the way we've kind of lost track of the basic plot Because some of us are expecting way too much from a bunch of models and adult actresses. Some peoples expectations outpace the reality of the situation.

Don't give yourslef too much credit, it's a good discussion, I commented and didn't even read your post about oil wrestling