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Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight

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Offline sinclairfan

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Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight
« on: April 08, 2025, 01:52:00 PM »
<1> Carol Burnett.....
<2> ....versus Geraldine Page
<3> Takes place in the sunny outdoors....
<4> ....in a suburban backyard
<5> 2 full minutes long....
<6> ....of continuous action
<7> Dressed in skirts....
<8> ......and heels
<9> Hair gets wrecked,/soaked....
<10> .....by a hose, which is a weapon-but-not-quite-a-weapon.

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Re: Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2025, 04:50:22 PM »
Here is the link to the full movie, with the catfight timestamped:

https://youtu.be/pLlJq2KiHm0?t=5425
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Re: Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2025, 02:37:06 AM »


Catfights and comedy?  They have never gone together well, and never will.  I never watch a catfight to laugh if you catch my drift.


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Re: Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2025, 04:11:17 AM »


Catfights and comedy?  They have never gone together well, and never will.  I never watch a catfight to laugh if you catch my drift.


Rich

It’s a lot worse, Rich. I never heard of this movie before. This movie seems largely forgotten despite Carol Burnett and Walter Matthau being big stars at the time. So out of curiosity I watched it.

It’s a very strange uncomfortable movie to watch. I think it’s suppose to be a “comedy drama,” but I found it to be utter cringe.

It starts out looking like a mildly funny romantic comedy in the “opposites attract” mold. It then turns into a dull drab storyline that suddenly plunges into seriously depressing territory, then plods along in a dreary second half.

Oh yeah, the catfight. I think it was supposed to be comic relief plopped in to break up the melancholy. The fight looks like slapstick comedy involving a broom, garden hose, barrel over the head, and a wig coming off. It has no context or purpose in the overall bleak mood and theme of the story. The fighting women were best friends, but had a falling out when Gertrude accused Tillie of trying to reveal her age. Seriously? Geraldine Page was an excellent actress, but her character is ridiculously over the top and out of place in this one. In the very next scene after the catfight, Tillie is in a mental health sanitarium. Hilarious. To be fair, the film ends on a touching hopeful note.

I think the theme and message of the movie is that marriage rarely meets our expectations. Success involves managing your disappointments and navigating tragedies by not shutting down communication or emotions. But scenes alternating from dark and depressing to absurd ( e.g. the catfight) came off to me as disorienting.

Don’t bother walking a mile in my shoes. That would be boring. Spend thirty seconds in my head. That’ll freak you right out.

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Offline sinclairfan

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Re: Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2025, 12:54:13 PM »
1969 to 1972 was an interesting period in movie-making, possibly induced by disappointment as to how the 1968 U.S.Presidential election had played out and a resulting desire by Hollywood to want to retreat into their craft, where certain directors felt a need to blend casting and storytelling genres into discordant combinations for no other reason than to play with the audience's heads and hearts.  My personal favorite example of this "King of Marvin Gardens", where at-the-peak-of-his career Jack Nicholson is cast as a nerd..... just because.  Most streaming services don't even offer the movie for free anymore (I believe I paid $5.99 on Hulu to watch it) because a 2025 audience would quickly detect that the intended point of watching the film is to gush at how clever the director is.  This whole sorry detour collapsed under its own ridiculousness in 1980's "Ordinary People", where Robert Redford was so proud of himself for casting Mary Tyler Moore as the villain (oooooh! .... plot twist!) that he missed that his own movie was Timothy Hutton's story, not MTM's (and, Hutton wins the Oscar for best supporting actor, not best actor).

Where am I going with this?

If offered the choice of a Door A or Door B, where
> Door A is putting Morgan Fairchild and Victoria Principal together in a love triangle, and figuring out a way for them to never (physically) fight, and
> Door B is Blair and Serena going at it in lacrosse skirts one week and on the Yale President's back porch the next, ....
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.....I'll take Door B.

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Re: Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2025, 10:41:58 AM »
This fight sucks! Where's all the lucha flips and kung fu action? Not one spin kick or backflip!? This isn't a catfight.  ;D  ;D ;D ;D
« Last Edit: April 11, 2025, 10:46:25 AM by jaybee »

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Re: Why Pete N' Tillie (1972) is an underrated catfight
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2025, 06:58:31 PM »
Great fight.Cat fights from movies are a separate topic, at one time I was collecting collections of fights from movies. Especially from old movies. Without any kung fu or karate.