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A fight at the whim of a man

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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2025, 02:41:07 PM »
Thus, we came to the conclusion that everything depends on the circumstances. Then let's get back to the original topic. If a man wants you to fight for his entertainment, you say "no," but if certain circumstances arise, you say "maybe," and maybe even "yes."
For example, this is your boss and he doesn’t know who to give a promotion to, you or your colleague, and he suggests resolving this issue with a fight. Or it's a potential employer, and he offers you to fight with another girl, since he can only hire one of you.
The conditions are different, the prize for the winner is different, but the idea is the same. You'll fight another girl, and the man will watch and enjoy it.

What do you say, bitches?  ::)
First of all, don't call me a bitch.   :)

Second of all, any boss suggesting a fight as a means to secure a promotion would be fired from any legitimate company.  If it were two exotic dancers or sex workers, yeah, I suppose that might happen.

My boyfriend has told me that he would love to see me in a fight, but wouldn't want for me to get hurt.  It's a great topic for foreplay and works really well for us  ;) , but not realistic as the other girl and I would get hurt, so it's a fantasy of his, separating the spectacle from the consequences.

So for me the answer is no, I would not fight for his (or any man's) entertainment, and can't imagine any circumstance that would cause me to realistically change my mind IRL.

What's wrong with you? He'll fire you and sue you. I was asking about something completely different. Would you agree to such terms? What happens to the boss depends on what he's the boss of. It's unlikely that anyone would suggest such a way to get a promotion to clerks or factory workers. I could name industries where this is entirely possible. But that's not the point.
Let me repeat, I am talking about those situations when you are offered to fight voluntarily, and not forced to do so by threats or blackmail.

What's wrong with me, what's wrong with YOU!  If you do such a thing, he now has control over you, and what's to prevent him to do similar things in the future, always proposing that for some reward that you fight another girl 'voluntarily'.  The situations which you describe (fighting for a promotion, fighting to get hired) would not get me fired or sued, but it might get him fired or demoted because he is being manipulative and serving his own needs and not the company's needs.  Maybe it's different in Russia.

You misunderstood me. I was suggesting we discuss your actions in this situation, not whether the proposal itself is legal or what the possible consequences might be.

And yes, in Russia everything is different  ;)
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2025, 02:57:51 PM »
Thus, we came to the conclusion that everything depends on the circumstances. Then let's get back to the original topic. If a man wants you to fight for his entertainment, you say "no," but if certain circumstances arise, you say "maybe," and maybe even "yes."
For example, this is your boss and he doesn’t know who to give a promotion to, you or your colleague, and he suggests resolving this issue with a fight. Or it's a potential employer, and he offers you to fight with another girl, since he can only hire one of you.
The conditions are different, the prize for the winner is different, but the idea is the same. You'll fight another girl, and the man will watch and enjoy it.

What do you say, bitches?  ::)
First of all, don't call me a bitch.   :)

Second of all, any boss suggesting a fight as a means to secure a promotion would be fired from any legitimate company.  If it were two exotic dancers or sex workers, yeah, I suppose that might happen.

My boyfriend has told me that he would love to see me in a fight, but wouldn't want for me to get hurt.  It's a great topic for foreplay and works really well for us  ;) , but not realistic as the other girl and I would get hurt, so it's a fantasy of his, separating the spectacle from the consequences.

So for me the answer is no, I would not fight for his (or any man's) entertainment, and can't imagine any circumstance that would cause me to realistically change my mind IRL.

What's wrong with you? He'll fire you and sue you. I was asking about something completely different. Would you agree to such terms? What happens to the boss depends on what he's the boss of. It's unlikely that anyone would suggest such a way to get a promotion to clerks or factory workers. I could name industries where this is entirely possible. But that's not the point.
Let me repeat, I am talking about those situations when you are offered to fight voluntarily, and not forced to do so by threats or blackmail.

What's wrong with me, what's wrong with YOU!  If you do such a thing, he now has control over you, and what's to prevent him to do similar things in the future, always proposing that for some reward that you fight another girl 'voluntarily'.  The situations which you describe (fighting for a promotion, fighting to get hired) would not get me fired or sued, but it might get him fired or demoted because he is being manipulative and serving his own needs and not the company's needs.  Maybe it's different in Russia.

You misunderstood me. I was suggesting we discuss your actions in this situation, not whether the proposal itself is legal or what the possible consequences might be.

And yes, in Russia everything is different  ;)
You responded to Kate on this topic, and mentioned a ticket to a concert of your favorite artist or some thing that you really want to possess. or a man has something that you really want, and he is willing to give it to you if you win over another girl who also really wants to get this thing.  That is totally different from a case where the man is your boss or potential boss.  I would totally fight over Taylor Swift tickets!   ;D  There'd be no long term angle for him to get me to fight again, unless he had something special that I really wanted.

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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2025, 03:03:11 PM »
Thus, we came to the conclusion that everything depends on the circumstances. Then let's get back to the original topic. If a man wants you to fight for his entertainment, you say "no," but if certain circumstances arise, you say "maybe," and maybe even "yes."
For example, this is your boss and he doesn’t know who to give a promotion to, you or your colleague, and he suggests resolving this issue with a fight. Or it's a potential employer, and he offers you to fight with another girl, since he can only hire one of you.
The conditions are different, the prize for the winner is different, but the idea is the same. You'll fight another girl, and the man will watch and enjoy it.

What do you say, bitches?  ::)
First of all, don't call me a bitch.   :)

Second of all, any boss suggesting a fight as a means to secure a promotion would be fired from any legitimate company.  If it were two exotic dancers or sex workers, yeah, I suppose that might happen.

My boyfriend has told me that he would love to see me in a fight, but wouldn't want for me to get hurt.  It's a great topic for foreplay and works really well for us  ;) , but not realistic as the other girl and I would get hurt, so it's a fantasy of his, separating the spectacle from the consequences.

So for me the answer is no, I would not fight for his (or any man's) entertainment, and can't imagine any circumstance that would cause me to realistically change my mind IRL.

What's wrong with you? He'll fire you and sue you. I was asking about something completely different. Would you agree to such terms? What happens to the boss depends on what he's the boss of. It's unlikely that anyone would suggest such a way to get a promotion to clerks or factory workers. I could name industries where this is entirely possible. But that's not the point.
Let me repeat, I am talking about those situations when you are offered to fight voluntarily, and not forced to do so by threats or blackmail.

What's wrong with me, what's wrong with YOU!  If you do such a thing, he now has control over you, and what's to prevent him to do similar things in the future, always proposing that for some reward that you fight another girl 'voluntarily'.  The situations which you describe (fighting for a promotion, fighting to get hired) would not get me fired or sued, but it might get him fired or demoted because he is being manipulative and serving his own needs and not the company's needs.  Maybe it's different in Russia.

You misunderstood me. I was suggesting we discuss your actions in this situation, not whether the proposal itself is legal or what the possible consequences might be.

And yes, in Russia everything is different  ;)
You responded to Kate on this topic, and mentioned a ticket to a concert of your favorite artist or some thing that you really want to possess. or a man has something that you really want, and he is willing to give it to you if you win over another girl who also really wants to get this thing.  That is totally different from a case where the man is your boss or potential boss.  I would totally fight over Taylor Swift tickets!   ;D  There'd be no long term angle for him to get me to fight again, unless he had something special that I really wanted.

Fighting over Taylor Swift tickets :o

Ew….Alix! You’re so trashy and have zero taste  :P :-*

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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2025, 05:12:15 PM »
How about we take this discussion in a slightly different direction and give our thoughts about when we would fight for our man?

For me there really is only one, maybe two scenarios (But scenario number two is a huge maybe).

Scenario One:

Another woman keeps propositioning your man. Your man has behaved impeccably and politely declined her advances more than once and he has been honest and kept you in the loop as to what she has been doing. The first time may of been an honest mistake, being charitable a second time might be down to our man being clumsy with his words and not spelling out he is taken. A third time? Well at this point me and her absolutely will be having a little private girl talk! And if the other woman in this scenario was known to me and I knew; she knew he was taken? Then of course there are no warnings. She has made a declaration of war and I happily accept!

Scenario Two:

Some bitch, probably at his work place is using her position to make his life a living hell. He is doing what he can while working under the confines of office politics. He approaches me and asks for my support and assistance. This is tricky, you can’t just pick a fight with your man’s boss. Maybe at a workplace event you can get an opportunity to speak with her woman to woman? Maybe a mutual agreement to discuss things further in more suitable setting can be agreed? Or perhaps the real answer here is that beyond love and support, a catfight with his boss would be useless. As honestly is his situation realistically going to improve if I kick his bitch bosses ass?

Oh one final caveat: In either scenario my man would be left at home, as personally inviting him to watch is indulgent and distasteful. Well at least for me :)

So have I missed anything girls?

Xoxo
Kate

Possible scenario three? A woman attacks your man and you know he didn't instigate. Maybe she's drunk or hates men or is angry about something and he is "in the way". Who knows why but there you are with her hitting him. He can probably beat her up but that is heavily frowned upon in some cultures. Do you step in to fight her in his defense?

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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #79 on: September 21, 2025, 09:36:02 AM »
I'll probably tell you a story too. I have a friend who wrestled in her youth. There was another girl in her section with whom she was constantly competing. So, they had to put together a team for a regional competition. Two girls were vying for a spot on the team in their weight class. The coach, instead of making a decision himself or drawing lots, suggested that they wrestle. The girls disliked each other. Their fight quickly spiraled out of control. It's hard to say who broke the rules first, but the wrestling match turned into a brawl. The girls were separated, but they started fighting again in the locker room. A very violent fight broke out between them. Both were injured and were unable to compete. The parents of one of the girls filed a complaint against the coach. The proceedings were lengthy. So, the idea of ??finding out who was better didn't work out, although it was a good one. But as always, reality ruined all the plans.

Great story but I feel sorry for the coach. If the girls wrestling skills were about equal and if they had both enjoyed an equally successful season of competition. Then having them wrestle to decide the spot seems fair to me. The fact they couldn’t control their emotions is on them, the fact they beat each other up so badly is on them.

I would only criticise the coach if he knew they hated each other? And it’s possible the coach might have been clueless…us girls are adept at hiding such things. Especially if the coach was male.

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I can't say how successful the idea of ??organizing a wrestling match between the girls was, perhaps in his place I would have done exactly the same. But that's not what he was accused of. He was accused of failing to maintain discipline during training (and technically the girls were still training), and the girls were injured. The injuries were quite serious. Besides the bruises and contusions, one of the girls suffered a broken nose and another a cracked rib. He could not and did not intend to enter the women's locker room, and the girls locked the door behind them. There were a lot of girls in the locker room, but no one tried to stop the fight. Instead, they started encouraging the fighters, shouting, "Kill the bitch," "Come on, tear her apart." When things got really bad, both girls were covered in blood, and one of the witnesses to the fight decided to go get the coach. Thus, the essence of the parents' complaint was that the coach did not maintain discipline and violated safety rules.
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2025, 09:45:15 AM »
How about we take this discussion in a slightly different direction and give our thoughts about when we would fight for our man?

For me there really is only one, maybe two scenarios (But scenario number two is a huge maybe).

Scenario One:

Another woman keeps propositioning your man. Your man has behaved impeccably and politely declined her advances more than once and he has been honest and kept you in the loop as to what she has been doing. The first time may of been an honest mistake, being charitable a second time might be down to our man being clumsy with his words and not spelling out he is taken. A third time? Well at this point me and her absolutely will be having a little private girl talk! And if the other woman in this scenario was known to me and I knew; she knew he was taken? Then of course there are no warnings. She has made a declaration of war and I happily accept!

Scenario Two:

Some bitch, probably at his work place is using her position to make his life a living hell. He is doing what he can while working under the confines of office politics. He approaches me and asks for my support and assistance. This is tricky, you can’t just pick a fight with your man’s boss. Maybe at a workplace event you can get an opportunity to speak with her woman to woman? Maybe a mutual agreement to discuss things further in more suitable setting can be agreed? Or perhaps the real answer here is that beyond love and support, a catfight with his boss would be useless. As honestly is his situation realistically going to improve if I kick his bitch bosses ass?

Oh one final caveat: In either scenario my man would be left at home, as personally inviting him to watch is indulgent and distasteful. Well at least for me :)

So have I missed anything girls?

Xoxo
Kate

When I was a schoolgirl, I often acted like a jerk. If I saw another girl flirting (or maybe they were just talking) with my boyfriend, I'd meet her after class and tell her that if she approached him again, I'd beat her up. Usually, threats were enough. But sometimes, we'd agree to meet up in the evening and fight. But in any case, the guy didn't know anything about it. It was a fight over a guy, although he didn’t ask us to fight, moreover, he didn’t even know that we were going to fight.
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2025, 09:52:29 AM »
Interesting topic!  Ladies, do you think it’s manipulative for men to pay women to fight for their pleasure, or is it a case of willing buyer, willing seller, if both women fight of their own free will, either for a grudge or for cash, and aren’t being pressured by a husband or bf?

I don't think it's manipulation. If someone offered me money to fight, there's nothing wrong with that. He made the offer, and I can either refuse or accept. It's my choice. It would be a different matter if my man offered me the same thing. I simply wouldn't understand him and would probably tell him to go to hell.
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« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2025, 10:03:30 AM »
I once got into an argument with a girl at the gym. It wasn't like we were fighting, just arguing in a heated voice. Then one of the men we knew there suggested we settle the dispute with a wrestling match. He, as they say, challenged us. I understood that this was manipulation on his part, but I didn’t want to back down. The other girl wasn't going to back down either. So we went onto the mat and started wrestling, and the men sat around and enjoyed the spectacle. It wasn't a fight, we respected each other, it was a fair grappling match. But it was the man who pushed us into it. He took advantage of the situation, saw that we were heated up by the argument, and added fuel to the fire.
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2025, 10:56:07 AM »
I once got into an argument with a girl at the gym. It wasn't like we were fighting, just arguing in a heated voice. Then one of the men we knew there suggested we settle the dispute with a wrestling match. He, as they say, challenged us. I understood that this was manipulation on his part, but I didn’t want to back down. The other girl wasn't going to back down either. So we went onto the mat and started wrestling, and the men sat around and enjoyed the spectacle. It wasn't a fight, we respected each other, it was a fair grappling match. But it was the man who pushed us into it. He took advantage of the situation, saw that we were heated up by the argument, and added fuel to the fire.

Hi Olga,

I understand the predicament you found yourself in. But may I suggest a possible alternative course of action that might have with hindsight been a good idea? So Olga imagine it was you and me at the gym that day, we’ve heard the offer and I said this:

“Or alternatively Olga we could go back to my place, finish our conversation and settle things in private…anyway you like!”

Yes, I’m doubling down. I’m trying to increase the pressure of the situation to a point where the other woman finds her courage lacking and walks away. Which would totally be a victory for me :)

Now at a guess Olga, I suspect you might of said something like:

“Sounds good Kate! Shall we say 3:00pm?”

Yeah I don’t think you would have backed down, which totally suits me. Between us we’ve now taken the men out of the equation and regained control of the situation. This is a huge plus, the negative is however we’re probably going to do a lot more than wrestle. It’s possible that in the hours proceeding we can take some heat out of our situation. But I imagine we would both find this hard to do, some would see deescalation as a strength, others a weakness. My pride has gotten me into trouble over the years and I suspect it would here, so if things were to deescalate Olga. It would definitely be on you to extend the first olive branch and *Giggle* something tells me you’re not the olive branch extending kind?

So I started off by saying this is a good idea and I believe it is, as depending on the other woman you can raise the stakes to a point where she walks away. If she don’t you’ve regained control of the situation and depending on the personalities involved, a peaceful resolution is absolutely possible…I just don’t genuinely believe that would of been the case between myself and Olga.

Now…watch Olga reply and disagree with my assessment of her ;D

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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2025, 12:01:30 PM »
I once got into an argument with a girl at the gym. It wasn't like we were fighting, just arguing in a heated voice. Then one of the men we knew there suggested we settle the dispute with a wrestling match. He, as they say, challenged us. I understood that this was manipulation on his part, but I didn’t want to back down. The other girl wasn't going to back down either. So we went onto the mat and started wrestling, and the men sat around and enjoyed the spectacle. It wasn't a fight, we respected each other, it was a fair grappling match. But it was the man who pushed us into it. He took advantage of the situation, saw that we were heated up by the argument, and added fuel to the fire.

Hi Olga,

I understand the predicament you found yourself in. But may I suggest a possible alternative course of action that might have with hindsight been a good idea? So Olga imagine it was you and me at the gym that day, we’ve heard the offer and I said this:

“Or alternatively Olga we could go back to my place, finish our conversation and settle things in private…anyway you like!”

Yes, I’m doubling down. I’m trying to increase the pressure of the situation to a point where the other woman finds her courage lacking and walks away. Which would totally be a victory for me :)

Now at a guess Olga, I suspect you might of said something like:

“Sounds good Kate! Shall we say 3:00pm?”

Yeah I don’t think you would have backed down, which totally suits me. Between us we’ve now taken the men out of the equation and regained control of the situation. This is a huge plus, the negative is however we’re probably going to do a lot more than wrestle. It’s possible that in the hours proceeding we can take some heat out of our situation. But I imagine we would both find this hard to do, some would see deescalation as a strength, others a weakness. My pride has gotten me into trouble over the years and I suspect it would here, so if things were to deescalate Olga. It would definitely be on you to extend the first olive branch and *Giggle* something tells me you’re not the olive branch extending kind?

So I started off by saying this is a good idea and I believe it is, as depending on the other woman you can raise the stakes to a point where she walks away. If she don’t you’ve regained control of the situation and depending on the personalities involved, a peaceful resolution is absolutely possible…I just don’t genuinely believe that would of been the case between myself and Olga.

Now…watch Olga reply and disagree with my assessment of her ;D

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Kate

The situation would be complicated. Kate, if you look like the photo in your profile gallery, then I'm taller, heavier, and, I'd guess, stronger than you. Would you challenge me if your physical attributes weren't in your favor? Let's pretend you and I have the same parameters. But I think you're too hasty in removing the man from the equation. He could have said (and most likely would have said), "Hey, Kate, are you chickening out? Why wait, let's sort this out right now." It often happens that we become hostages of the situation. Let me give you an example. A good friend of mine, a very sarcastic person, got into an argument at a bar with her friend, a real bitch like her. But they weren't planning on fighting, it was just an exchange of barbs.Their altercation attracted the attention of other bar patrons. The girls began to be actively encouraged, and each formed a support group.
I should mention here that the bar belonged to a former crime boss. He retired and focused on legitimate business, but the bar still had a boxing ring and hosted boxing and kickboxing matches on weekends.
So, two girls were calling each other names, escalating the conversation. You know how it goes. Slut, bitch, prostitute, and various other intimate details. It got to the point where one of them threatened to punch the other. The response she got was, "Try it, bitch." Then someone from the crowd suggested that they put on gloves and go into the ring. And then everyone went wild; the idea seemed brilliant to everyone except the girls themselves, but no one asked them. They were helped into the gloves and literally pushed into the ring. When the girls found themselves face to face in the ring, their desire to fight vanished. In fact, they both panicked, wanting to leave, wanting it all to stop. But their pride wouldn't let them. Besides, the crowd was roaring and demanding they get started. They were lucky: as they stood hesitantly facing each other in the ring, the bar owner appeared. He asked what the hell was going on. Then my friend turned to him and said they were being forced to fight. He got angry, told everyone to leave, and treated the girls to drinks on the house. They were just lucky the bar owner showed up just in time. If not, they probably would have had to start a fight, even though they didn't want to.
Now it's me and Kate again. Maybe her suggestion to meet later would have worked. Although it's hard to say. When I'm angry, I don't think clearly. In addition, there were witnesses in the room who could confirm that we fought fairly and, in addition, there would not have been a situation where I would say that I won, and Kate would start saying that she won. We could turn this all into a joke, yes, that's probably possible. But here, personality traits and the reason for the dispute come into play. The ideal option would be if Sasha or Ruslana showed up and said, "Girls, what are you doing? Maybe we should go get some coffee?"

But seriously, I don't know what I would have done. It really depends on the circumstances. Maybe I would have agreed and said, "Okay, see you later," or maybe I would have pushed you and demanded that we start a fight right now. I really don't know.
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2025, 12:31:42 PM »
I once got into an argument with a girl at the gym. It wasn't like we were fighting, just arguing in a heated voice. Then one of the men we knew there suggested we settle the dispute with a wrestling match. He, as they say, challenged us. I understood that this was manipulation on his part, but I didn’t want to back down. The other girl wasn't going to back down either. So we went onto the mat and started wrestling, and the men sat around and enjoyed the spectacle. It wasn't a fight, we respected each other, it was a fair grappling match. But it was the man who pushed us into it. He took advantage of the situation, saw that we were heated up by the argument, and added fuel to the fire.

Hi Olga,

I understand the predicament you found yourself in. But may I suggest a possible alternative course of action that might have with hindsight been a good idea? So Olga imagine it was you and me at the gym that day, we’ve heard the offer and I said this:

“Or alternatively Olga we could go back to my place, finish our conversation and settle things in private…anyway you like!”

Yes, I’m doubling down. I’m trying to increase the pressure of the situation to a point where the other woman finds her courage lacking and walks away. Which would totally be a victory for me :)

Now at a guess Olga, I suspect you might of said something like:

“Sounds good Kate! Shall we say 3:00pm?”

Yeah I don’t think you would have backed down, which totally suits me. Between us we’ve now taken the men out of the equation and regained control of the situation. This is a huge plus, the negative is however we’re probably going to do a lot more than wrestle. It’s possible that in the hours proceeding we can take some heat out of our situation. But I imagine we would both find this hard to do, some would see deescalation as a strength, others a weakness. My pride has gotten me into trouble over the years and I suspect it would here, so if things were to deescalate Olga. It would definitely be on you to extend the first olive branch and *Giggle* something tells me you’re not the olive branch extending kind?

So I started off by saying this is a good idea and I believe it is, as depending on the other woman you can raise the stakes to a point where she walks away. If she don’t you’ve regained control of the situation and depending on the personalities involved, a peaceful resolution is absolutely possible…I just don’t genuinely believe that would of been the case between myself and Olga.

Now…watch Olga reply and disagree with my assessment of her ;D

Xoxo
Kate

The situation would be complicated. Kate, if you look like the photo in your profile gallery, then I'm taller, heavier, and, I'd guess, stronger than you. Would you challenge me if your physical attributes weren't in your favor? Let's pretend you and I have the same parameters. But I think you're too hasty in removing the man from the equation. He could have said (and most likely would have said), "Hey, Kate, are you chickening out? Why wait, let's sort this out right now." It often happens that we become hostages of the situation. Let me give you an example. A good friend of mine, a very sarcastic person, got into an argument at a bar with her friend, a real bitch like her. But they weren't planning on fighting, it was just an exchange of barbs.Their altercation attracted the attention of other bar patrons. The girls began to be actively encouraged, and each formed a support group.
I should mention here that the bar belonged to a former crime boss. He retired and focused on legitimate business, but the bar still had a boxing ring and hosted boxing and kickboxing matches on weekends.
So, two girls were calling each other names, escalating the conversation. You know how it goes. Slut, bitch, prostitute, and various other intimate details. It got to the point where one of them threatened to punch the other. The response she got was, "Try it, bitch." Then someone from the crowd suggested that they put on gloves and go into the ring. And then everyone went wild; the idea seemed brilliant to everyone except the girls themselves, but no one asked them. They were helped into the gloves and literally pushed into the ring. When the girls found themselves face to face in the ring, their desire to fight vanished. In fact, they both panicked, wanting to leave, wanting it all to stop. But their pride wouldn't let them. Besides, the crowd was roaring and demanding they get started. They were lucky: as they stood hesitantly facing each other in the ring, the bar owner appeared. He asked what the hell was going on. Then my friend turned to him and said they were being forced to fight. He got angry, told everyone to leave, and treated the girls to drinks on the house. They were just lucky the bar owner showed up just in time. If not, they probably would have had to start a fight, even though they didn't want to.
Now it's me and Kate again. Maybe her suggestion to meet later would have worked. Although it's hard to say. When I'm angry, I don't think clearly. In addition, there were witnesses in the room who could confirm that we fought fairly and, in addition, there would not have been a situation where I would say that I won, and Kate would start saying that she won. We could turn this all into a joke, yes, that's probably possible. But here, personality traits and the reason for the dispute come into play. The ideal option would be if Sasha or Ruslana showed up and said, "Girls, what are you doing? Maybe we should go get some coffee?"

But seriously, I don't know what I would have done. It really depends on the circumstances. Maybe I would have agreed and said, "Okay, see you later," or maybe I would have pushed you and demanded that we start a fight right now. I really don't know.

Hi Olga,

I get what you mean about the man trying to assert control over the situation to bring about the outcome he wants. But I’m a fairly strong willed bitch, I would have told him to “Fuck Off” and stay out of our personal business. Also if I did that, I think there is a chance you would have followed my lead in this matter and conveyed to him a similar message?

However the scenario I previously described was more for fun than based on my actual opinion of what would happen if we were to clash. Honestly Olga if you and me ever find ourselves face to face…I’m going to need to get my proverbial affairs in order. I agree that you would be the hot favourite to win.

Xoxo
Kate

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And yes, that admission just now was bitterly painful to write  ;D
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2025, 01:18:21 PM »
I once got into an argument with a girl at the gym. It wasn't like we were fighting, just arguing in a heated voice. Then one of the men we knew there suggested we settle the dispute with a wrestling match. He, as they say, challenged us. I understood that this was manipulation on his part, but I didn’t want to back down. The other girl wasn't going to back down either. So we went onto the mat and started wrestling, and the men sat around and enjoyed the spectacle. It wasn't a fight, we respected each other, it was a fair grappling match. But it was the man who pushed us into it. He took advantage of the situation, saw that we were heated up by the argument, and added fuel to the fire.

Hi Olga,

I understand the predicament you found yourself in. But may I suggest a possible alternative course of action that might have with hindsight been a good idea? So Olga imagine it was you and me at the gym that day, we’ve heard the offer and I said this:

“Or alternatively Olga we could go back to my place, finish our conversation and settle things in private…anyway you like!”

Yes, I’m doubling down. I’m trying to increase the pressure of the situation to a point where the other woman finds her courage lacking and walks away. Which would totally be a victory for me :)

Now at a guess Olga, I suspect you might of said something like:

“Sounds good Kate! Shall we say 3:00pm?”

Yeah I don’t think you would have backed down, which totally suits me. Between us we’ve now taken the men out of the equation and regained control of the situation. This is a huge plus, the negative is however we’re probably going to do a lot more than wrestle. It’s possible that in the hours proceeding we can take some heat out of our situation. But I imagine we would both find this hard to do, some would see deescalation as a strength, others a weakness. My pride has gotten me into trouble over the years and I suspect it would here, so if things were to deescalate Olga. It would definitely be on you to extend the first olive branch and *Giggle* something tells me you’re not the olive branch extending kind?

So I started off by saying this is a good idea and I believe it is, as depending on the other woman you can raise the stakes to a point where she walks away. If she don’t you’ve regained control of the situation and depending on the personalities involved, a peaceful resolution is absolutely possible…I just don’t genuinely believe that would of been the case between myself and Olga.

Now…watch Olga reply and disagree with my assessment of her ;D

Xoxo
Kate

The situation would be complicated. Kate, if you look like the photo in your profile gallery, then I'm taller, heavier, and, I'd guess, stronger than you. Would you challenge me if your physical attributes weren't in your favor? Let's pretend you and I have the same parameters. But I think you're too hasty in removing the man from the equation. He could have said (and most likely would have said), "Hey, Kate, are you chickening out? Why wait, let's sort this out right now." It often happens that we become hostages of the situation. Let me give you an example. A good friend of mine, a very sarcastic person, got into an argument at a bar with her friend, a real bitch like her. But they weren't planning on fighting, it was just an exchange of barbs.Their altercation attracted the attention of other bar patrons. The girls began to be actively encouraged, and each formed a support group.
I should mention here that the bar belonged to a former crime boss. He retired and focused on legitimate business, but the bar still had a boxing ring and hosted boxing and kickboxing matches on weekends.
So, two girls were calling each other names, escalating the conversation. You know how it goes. Slut, bitch, prostitute, and various other intimate details. It got to the point where one of them threatened to punch the other. The response she got was, "Try it, bitch." Then someone from the crowd suggested that they put on gloves and go into the ring. And then everyone went wild; the idea seemed brilliant to everyone except the girls themselves, but no one asked them. They were helped into the gloves and literally pushed into the ring. When the girls found themselves face to face in the ring, their desire to fight vanished. In fact, they both panicked, wanting to leave, wanting it all to stop. But their pride wouldn't let them. Besides, the crowd was roaring and demanding they get started. They were lucky: as they stood hesitantly facing each other in the ring, the bar owner appeared. He asked what the hell was going on. Then my friend turned to him and said they were being forced to fight. He got angry, told everyone to leave, and treated the girls to drinks on the house. They were just lucky the bar owner showed up just in time. If not, they probably would have had to start a fight, even though they didn't want to.
Now it's me and Kate again. Maybe her suggestion to meet later would have worked. Although it's hard to say. When I'm angry, I don't think clearly. In addition, there were witnesses in the room who could confirm that we fought fairly and, in addition, there would not have been a situation where I would say that I won, and Kate would start saying that she won. We could turn this all into a joke, yes, that's probably possible. But here, personality traits and the reason for the dispute come into play. The ideal option would be if Sasha or Ruslana showed up and said, "Girls, what are you doing? Maybe we should go get some coffee?"

But seriously, I don't know what I would have done. It really depends on the circumstances. Maybe I would have agreed and said, "Okay, see you later," or maybe I would have pushed you and demanded that we start a fight right now. I really don't know.

Hi Olga,

I get what you mean about the man trying to assert control over the situation to bring about the outcome he wants.
, I would have told him to “Fuck Off” and stay out of our personal business. Also if I did that, I think there is a chance you would have followed my lead in this matter and conveyed to him a similar message?

However the scenario I previously described was more for fun than based on my actual opinion of what would happen if we were to clash. Honestly Olga if you and me ever find ourselves face to face…I’m going to need to get my proverbial affairs in order. I agree that you would be the hot favourite to win.

Xoxo
Kate

PS

And yes, that admission just now was bitterly painful to write  ;D

I think that now that we're both grown women, we can resist the manipulation of others. At least, I hope so. Of course, situations vary.
When I was a teenager, I was very dependent on the opinions of others. It was important to me what my friends thought of me and whether I was respected. There were times when, in order to maintain my own authority, under pressure from others, I did stupid and sometimes vile things.
Of course I've changed, now I don't care what anyone thinks of me (but is that really true?), and to manipulate me, you'd have to somehow stretch your imagination. I won't fall for a direct provocation like "What, are you chickening out?"
But if the threads of lies are woven skillfully enough, it is quite possible that I will make the wrong decision.

Unlike Kate, I'm not a strong-willed bitch; I can still be easily persuaded to replace a colleague at work, or to lend money  :-[
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2025, 01:55:36 PM »
I once got into an argument with a girl at the gym. It wasn't like we were fighting, just arguing in a heated voice. Then one of the men we knew there suggested we settle the dispute with a wrestling match. He, as they say, challenged us. I understood that this was manipulation on his part, but I didn’t want to back down. The other girl wasn't going to back down either. So we went onto the mat and started wrestling, and the men sat around and enjoyed the spectacle. It wasn't a fight, we respected each other, it was a fair grappling match. But it was the man who pushed us into it. He took advantage of the situation, saw that we were heated up by the argument, and added fuel to the fire.

Hi Olga,

I understand the predicament you found yourself in. But may I suggest a possible alternative course of action that might have with hindsight been a good idea? So Olga imagine it was you and me at the gym that day, we’ve heard the offer and I said this:

“Or alternatively Olga we could go back to my place, finish our conversation and settle things in private…anyway you like!”

Yes, I’m doubling down. I’m trying to increase the pressure of the situation to a point where the other woman finds her courage lacking and walks away. Which would totally be a victory for me :)

Now at a guess Olga, I suspect you might of said something like:

“Sounds good Kate! Shall we say 3:00pm?”

Yeah I don’t think you would have backed down, which totally suits me. Between us we’ve now taken the men out of the equation and regained control of the situation. This is a huge plus, the negative is however we’re probably going to do a lot more than wrestle. It’s possible that in the hours proceeding we can take some heat out of our situation. But I imagine we would both find this hard to do, some would see deescalation as a strength, others a weakness. My pride has gotten me into trouble over the years and I suspect it would here, so if things were to deescalate Olga. It would definitely be on you to extend the first olive branch and *Giggle* something tells me you’re not the olive branch extending kind?

So I started off by saying this is a good idea and I believe it is, as depending on the other woman you can raise the stakes to a point where she walks away. If she don’t you’ve regained control of the situation and depending on the personalities involved, a peaceful resolution is absolutely possible…I just don’t genuinely believe that would of been the case between myself and Olga.

Now…watch Olga reply and disagree with my assessment of her ;D

Xoxo
Kate

The situation would be complicated. Kate, if you look like the photo in your profile gallery, then I'm taller, heavier, and, I'd guess, stronger than you. Would you challenge me if your physical attributes weren't in your favor? Let's pretend you and I have the same parameters. But I think you're too hasty in removing the man from the equation. He could have said (and most likely would have said), "Hey, Kate, are you chickening out? Why wait, let's sort this out right now." It often happens that we become hostages of the situation. Let me give you an example. A good friend of mine, a very sarcastic person, got into an argument at a bar with her friend, a real bitch like her. But they weren't planning on fighting, it was just an exchange of barbs.Their altercation attracted the attention of other bar patrons. The girls began to be actively encouraged, and each formed a support group.
I should mention here that the bar belonged to a former crime boss. He retired and focused on legitimate business, but the bar still had a boxing ring and hosted boxing and kickboxing matches on weekends.
So, two girls were calling each other names, escalating the conversation. You know how it goes. Slut, bitch, prostitute, and various other intimate details. It got to the point where one of them threatened to punch the other. The response she got was, "Try it, bitch." Then someone from the crowd suggested that they put on gloves and go into the ring. And then everyone went wild; the idea seemed brilliant to everyone except the girls themselves, but no one asked them. They were helped into the gloves and literally pushed into the ring. When the girls found themselves face to face in the ring, their desire to fight vanished. In fact, they both panicked, wanting to leave, wanting it all to stop. But their pride wouldn't let them. Besides, the crowd was roaring and demanding they get started. They were lucky: as they stood hesitantly facing each other in the ring, the bar owner appeared. He asked what the hell was going on. Then my friend turned to him and said they were being forced to fight. He got angry, told everyone to leave, and treated the girls to drinks on the house. They were just lucky the bar owner showed up just in time. If not, they probably would have had to start a fight, even though they didn't want to.
Now it's me and Kate again. Maybe her suggestion to meet later would have worked. Although it's hard to say. When I'm angry, I don't think clearly. In addition, there were witnesses in the room who could confirm that we fought fairly and, in addition, there would not have been a situation where I would say that I won, and Kate would start saying that she won. We could turn this all into a joke, yes, that's probably possible. But here, personality traits and the reason for the dispute come into play. The ideal option would be if Sasha or Ruslana showed up and said, "Girls, what are you doing? Maybe we should go get some coffee?"

But seriously, I don't know what I would have done. It really depends on the circumstances. Maybe I would have agreed and said, "Okay, see you later," or maybe I would have pushed you and demanded that we start a fight right now. I really don't know.

Hi Olga,

I get what you mean about the man trying to assert control over the situation to bring about the outcome he wants.
, I would have told him to “Fuck Off” and stay out of our personal business. Also if I did that, I think there is a chance you would have followed my lead in this matter and conveyed to him a similar message?

However the scenario I previously described was more for fun than based on my actual opinion of what would happen if we were to clash. Honestly Olga if you and me ever find ourselves face to face…I’m going to need to get my proverbial affairs in order. I agree that you would be the hot favourite to win.

Xoxo
Kate

PS

And yes, that admission just now was bitterly painful to write  ;D

I think that now that we're both grown women, we can resist the manipulation of others. At least, I hope so. Of course, situations vary.
When I was a teenager, I was very dependent on the opinions of others. It was important to me what my friends thought of me and whether I was respected. There were times when, in order to maintain my own authority, under pressure from others, I did stupid and sometimes vile things.
Of course I've changed, now I don't care what anyone thinks of me (but is that really true?), and to manipulate me, you'd have to somehow stretch your imagination. I won't fall for a direct provocation like "What, are you chickening out?"
But if the threads of lies are woven skillfully enough, it is quite possible that I will make the wrong decision.

Unlike Kate, I'm not a strong-willed bitch; I can still be easily persuaded to replace a colleague at work, or to lend money  :-[

Hi Olga,

You should definitely work on that will of yours, I’m sure you have the inner strength to say “No”.

However teenagers of all nationalities and races make bad decisions, it’s a rite of passage. I myself went to an all girls school and I made plenty of bad decisions. With me it’s my aforementioned pride, I find it hard to near impossible to step away from conflict with other women. For me stepping away is showing weakness and if I show weakness, I become a target. That is what my life at an all girls school taught me and yes, this is not a great life lesson…but is it really wrong? Is this life lesson of mine wrong?

Xoxo
Kate

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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2025, 02:14:56 PM »
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Re: A fight at the whim of a man
« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2025, 02:56:45 PM »
I once got into an argument with a girl at the gym. It wasn't like we were fighting, just arguing in a heated voice. Then one of the men we knew there suggested we settle the dispute with a wrestling match. He, as they say, challenged us. I understood that this was manipulation on his part, but I didn’t want to back down. The other girl wasn't going to back down either. So we went onto the mat and started wrestling, and the men sat around and enjoyed the spectacle. It wasn't a fight, we respected each other, it was a fair grappling match. But it was the man who pushed us into it. He took advantage of the situation, saw that we were heated up by the argument, and added fuel to the fire.

Hi Olga,

I understand the predicament you found yourself in. But may I suggest a possible alternative course of action that might have with hindsight been a good idea? So Olga imagine it was you and me at the gym that day, we’ve heard the offer and I said this:

“Or alternatively Olga we could go back to my place, finish our conversation and settle things in private…anyway you like!”

Yes, I’m doubling down. I’m trying to increase the pressure of the situation to a point where the other woman finds her courage lacking and walks away. Which would totally be a victory for me :)

Now at a guess Olga, I suspect you might of said something like:

“Sounds good Kate! Shall we say 3:00pm?”

Yeah I don’t think you would have backed down, which totally suits me. Between us we’ve now taken the men out of the equation and regained control of the situation. This is a huge plus, the negative is however we’re probably going to do a lot more than wrestle. It’s possible that in the hours proceeding we can take some heat out of our situation. But I imagine we would both find this hard to do, some would see deescalation as a strength, others a weakness. My pride has gotten me into trouble over the years and I suspect it would here, so if things were to deescalate Olga. It would definitely be on you to extend the first olive branch and *Giggle* something tells me you’re not the olive branch extending kind?

So I started off by saying this is a good idea and I believe it is, as depending on the other woman you can raise the stakes to a point where she walks away. If she don’t you’ve regained control of the situation and depending on the personalities involved, a peaceful resolution is absolutely possible…I just don’t genuinely believe that would of been the case between myself and Olga.

Now…watch Olga reply and disagree with my assessment of her ;D

Xoxo
Kate

The situation would be complicated. Kate, if you look like the photo in your profile gallery, then I'm taller, heavier, and, I'd guess, stronger than you. Would you challenge me if your physical attributes weren't in your favor? Let's pretend you and I have the same parameters. But I think you're too hasty in removing the man from the equation. He could have said (and most likely would have said), "Hey, Kate, are you chickening out? Why wait, let's sort this out right now." It often happens that we become hostages of the situation. Let me give you an example. A good friend of mine, a very sarcastic person, got into an argument at a bar with her friend, a real bitch like her. But they weren't planning on fighting, it was just an exchange of barbs.Their altercation attracted the attention of other bar patrons. The girls began to be actively encouraged, and each formed a support group.
I should mention here that the bar belonged to a former crime boss. He retired and focused on legitimate business, but the bar still had a boxing ring and hosted boxing and kickboxing matches on weekends.
So, two girls were calling each other names, escalating the conversation. You know how it goes. Slut, bitch, prostitute, and various other intimate details. It got to the point where one of them threatened to punch the other. The response she got was, "Try it, bitch." Then someone from the crowd suggested that they put on gloves and go into the ring. And then everyone went wild; the idea seemed brilliant to everyone except the girls themselves, but no one asked them. They were helped into the gloves and literally pushed into the ring. When the girls found themselves face to face in the ring, their desire to fight vanished. In fact, they both panicked, wanting to leave, wanting it all to stop. But their pride wouldn't let them. Besides, the crowd was roaring and demanding they get started. They were lucky: as they stood hesitantly facing each other in the ring, the bar owner appeared. He asked what the hell was going on. Then my friend turned to him and said they were being forced to fight. He got angry, told everyone to leave, and treated the girls to drinks on the house. They were just lucky the bar owner showed up just in time. If not, they probably would have had to start a fight, even though they didn't want to.
Now it's me and Kate again. Maybe her suggestion to meet later would have worked. Although it's hard to say. When I'm angry, I don't think clearly. In addition, there were witnesses in the room who could confirm that we fought fairly and, in addition, there would not have been a situation where I would say that I won, and Kate would start saying that she won. We could turn this all into a joke, yes, that's probably possible. But here, personality traits and the reason for the dispute come into play. The ideal option would be if Sasha or Ruslana showed up and said, "Girls, what are you doing? Maybe we should go get some coffee?"

But seriously, I don't know what I would have done. It really depends on the circumstances. Maybe I would have agreed and said, "Okay, see you later," or maybe I would have pushed you and demanded that we start a fight right now. I really don't know.

Hi Olga,

I get what you mean about the man trying to assert control over the situation to bring about the outcome he wants.
, I would have told him to “Fuck Off” and stay out of our personal business. Also if I did that, I think there is a chance you would have followed my lead in this matter and conveyed to him a similar message?

However the scenario I previously described was more for fun than based on my actual opinion of what would happen if we were to clash. Honestly Olga if you and me ever find ourselves face to face…I’m going to need to get my proverbial affairs in order. I agree that you would be the hot favourite to win.

Xoxo
Kate

PS

And yes, that admission just now was bitterly painful to write  ;D

I think that now that we're both grown women, we can resist the manipulation of others. At least, I hope so. Of course, situations vary.
When I was a teenager, I was very dependent on the opinions of others. It was important to me what my friends thought of me and whether I was respected. There were times when, in order to maintain my own authority, under pressure from others, I did stupid and sometimes vile things.
Of course I've changed, now I don't care what anyone thinks of me (but is that really true?), and to manipulate me, you'd have to somehow stretch your imagination. I won't fall for a direct provocation like "What, are you chickening out?"
But if the threads of lies are woven skillfully enough, it is quite possible that I will make the wrong decision.

Unlike Kate, I'm not a strong-willed bitch; I can still be easily persuaded to replace a colleague at work, or to lend money  :-[

Hi Olga,

You should definitely work on that will of yours, I’m sure you have the inner strength to say “No”.

However teenagers of all nationalities and races make bad decisions, it’s a rite of passage. I myself went to an all girls school and I made plenty of bad decisions. With me it’s my aforementioned pride, I find it hard to near impossible to step away from conflict with other women. For me stepping away is showing weakness and if I show weakness, I become a target. That is what my life at an all girls school taught me and yes, this is not a great life lesson…but is it really wrong? Is this life lesson of mine wrong?

Xoxo
Kate

"Don't trust, don't be afraid, don't ask"  It's the motto of Russian prisoners and juvenile delinquents. I'm not sure how accurately I translated it. But I think it's very appropriate for the girls' school Kate attended.  ;D

Damn it, Kate, you shouldn't be challenging Olga, you should be challenging me. It's you and I who should be fighting because you're a bitch and... And because we need to fight.
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