[BigDevil]

This is a fantastic 1st effort. I enjoyed both parts a lot. I love that you let the girls actually fight. The looked like they were fighting harder than the so-called real fighters in so many of the professional productions. I can't tell you how many times i have bought videos and dvd's just to feel like i was robbed with all the lack of action, and all the talking. I too liked the idea that there wasnt a lot of trash talking. These 2 girls really seemed to be going at it hard. I loved all the arm and back work the one girl was doing. I seemed to me that the girl falling into the furniture really felt that. As far as the lighting goes it didnt bother me at all i took it for what it is a 1st time effort and a very well done one. The camera man seemed to do a good job at catching the action and that is what i look for in a video Thanks for posting, I am looking forward to part 3

[DJP60]

well done. i was expecting more punches but what we got is excellent!!

[HB]

And also...thanks for NO lame money shots that just zoom in on a fighter's crotch or ass and linger there.  One of the apparent top prodcuers for fem fight videos ( one that Those Who Equate Their Stroking Material With Fine Wine seem to hold in high regard ) have these idiotic shots that just zoom in various parts of the anatomy... it is embarrassing and really ridiculous. Basically the producer/directors are saying " OK, here ya go dudes, whip it out and work iiiiiiiit....NOW " .  Even some of the more ridiculous Napali videos aren't as blatant...and that is saying something.

So again...nice work. Hope part 3 arrives soon!

And also, lets hope this is just the beginning.

[Jonica]

Congratulations on a terrific first effort!  You have the talent to take this a long way.  Can't wait to see part 3. 

J
xoxo

[docstup]

Hey all, thanks for all of your comments, I appreciate all of them.  Let me answer a few.

First, I was the cameraman.  Yes, I agree it turned out dark.  I think it was really more of the lens/style I used.  I was going for the "cinema" effect, which is why it is also a bit grainy, but in the end, it was too dark.  I can assure you, there was plenty of light in the room.

I agree with you all who complimented the girls--there efforts were amazing.  It was a choice by me not to have them talk much.  I really wanted them to worry about the fight.  We also decided not to do too much punching (though there may be a bit more in Part 3) because it is just really hard to fake that.  You know, it's either a camera trick, where nothing is being hit or the punches just are not hard.  Don't worry about the padding, we were very conciencous of what all was there.  I thik you'll see the shelves put to interesting use later on. 

Speaking of Part 3, I hope to have it up soon, just finding it hard, with the holidays and all to get the time.

Again, thanks for watching--we all had a blast on this project. 

[docstup]

Alright, I finally got Part 3, the Finale up!  I hope you enjoy as one girl is destroyed, left crying, kicked out of the house, and worse?  BTW, not sure if the girls will come here, but one of them did leave a message on Part 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZj_bRWIdg&context=C3ecaa27ADOEgsToPDskIb3DDQ4KvfmeTNKts7K3CA

[ligbugs]

What a great effort docstup. I really find it hard to pick out any negatives for a first time effort. Especially when you can pay good money to some well established companies and get a very lame effort in return. I especially like how you picked out 2 very similar sized girls. By the way well done to them both too. 10 out of 10 for a first effort is my score for you.

[Nutmeg]

Overall a well done effort. I enjoyed the fact that the winner acted like someone who had actually won a fight who doesn't fight often, and not the "jaded porn star" reaction most seem to have in fight vids. And yes I know there is often good reason they have that reaction lol All involved should be proud of this effort.

And great use of a shelving unit

[HB]

I admit I watched part 3, but at the time wasn't able to give it undevided attention at the time.   I'll sit down and do a start to finish viewing later, but, overall...excellent work.  The action wasn't something I normally seek out ( not being sure how much of the action was blocked in advanced or lightly scripted ) , as half the video was one girl prone on the floor just being abused. Not for me,  HOWEVER , the girls are damn impressive...really they did some excellent work here, and you did shot the action well. 

One thing...the reaction shots... don't work. Since your reactions are complete cut aways to a close up of you...they're jarring. If there were a shot, at least one of the two girls foreground; or the girls moving through the frame as they fight and you in the background reacting...they'd cut in better - but as stands, they remind me of the cheesy shots in old westerns, cutting from two brawling saloon girls to a cowboy taking a shot of whiskey or pushin his hat back...      I can see why the shots were put in but, as is... not working too well   

But hey...lets be honest - and I'm not even gonna qualify this as "for a first effort" , lets say, it is a good video, hands down.  rough around the edges but that doesn't hurt it...  am very interested in your next video, and lets hope more are to come !

[BigDevil]

Very well done. You did better than most of the so-called professional producers do. The girls were both very good. I loved the way the one girl remained in control in part 3. I have to admit I was kind of expecting some sort of miraculous comeback, which in my mind usually looks staged and fake. Keep up the good work

[fight fan steve]

Wow! That was absolutely AWESOME! I watched all three parts - had I not read your commentary here, I would have most certainly believed that it was a real fight. The scenario was plausible, and the performances were VERY believeable!

I have no criticism at all to offer...only my thanks and congratulations for a job very well done by ALL involved.

I hope you produce more fight films in the future. Your first effort scored an A+ from me. A perfect ten!

[docstup]

Hey all, thanks again for the kind words.  I wanted to adress a few things.

HB, I could not agree more about those cut aways (btw, that was not me, I was behind the camera) I put them in there on a few occaisons as I had to do something to go from one camera angle to another but had no footage that would have flowed at all.  This is part of my learning curve.  On a few cuts, it is apparent it is a totally different scene, but was at least close.  The cut away to the guy was the best thing I could come up with and believe me, I only used it when I really had to.

Some of you have said you hope I do more and I appreciate that.  The unfortunate thing is after we filmed that, I moved (from the DC area where my friends still are) to the Tampa area.  Maybe you can help me.  Is anyone in this area that would like to be involved in this type of project?  Are any catfight/wrestling companies in this area, I seem to think that Modelfight is here but now hear they have gone away.  I am not looking to make money, just to work within a group, having a ton of fun, and putting out a cool video or two.  If anyone has any thoughts/ideas, let me know.  I have a great camera, studied drama, can write, direct, film, edit, buy lunch, beers, whatever needs to be done!

Also, some of you mentioned how you liked that some of the things we did was different than many other videos.  One of the key things, I believe, was that we treated this like a film.  I wrote it and directed it.  It was not simply, "OK girls, go at it."  The girls were actors, not fighters.  We really treated this as a film project, not a catfight video.  We used the camera the way it is meant to be used.  We filmed each hold from a number of different angles (I don't know why others don't, the only I am aware of is the CatfightFantasys (that is the one with Paris Kennedy, right?)  We did things a few times to get it right.  Again, as this was my first shot at this, we were far from perfect.

Oh yeah, one other thing.  We did film an alternate ending, though I have yet to edit it.   I hope to get it up soon, but have a feeling it could take a few months. 

Again, I really appreciate you all taking to time to give me feedback and I truly hope you all enjoyed it and that I can do more, somehow, some way, sometime.  If you have any questions, go ahead, I'll do my best.

[docstup]

Hey fightfan.  So, yeah, the endings were pretty intense.  You can see how Rosie really took a beating there, which was hard.  I mean she had her arms trapped, was just helpless.  Although they were acting, it was not an easy thing.  Same for the alt ending, which hopefully you will see soon, different, but intense.  The girls were so good and so into it that when they were beatin at the end, it just seemed so real.  Hope that makes sense, it's pretty late here, not sure I am making the most sense.

We were very cogniscent of safety.  At first, the girls wanted to pick each other up, do slams and whatever and I would not allow that.  However, Rosie really did get her head slammed into the wall there.  We had practiced it slowly a few times, but when we did it for real Donya went a little too far and Rosie didn't get her hands up.  It was not bad, nothing close to a concussion or anything, but it did shake her up.  The other time was when Rosie is on top of Donya, rubbing her face into the carpet, well, let's just say she was a bit over zealous.  You can see some marks on her forehead.

As for the ending, I think you will find the alt one will really rap things up.  It will not simply end at the end of the fight, like this version did.

[HB]

Hey all, thanks again for the kind words.  I wanted to adress a few things.

Hey, your point about the cutaways , understood . Keep in mind overall it doesn't really hurt the film, which I still marvel at. It has much better action than many of the vendor produced ones.

But ah...it is a shame you moved away from these two willing and dynamic ladies. Was looking forward to more from them, I'm sure you were, too !

Let's hope you can get another project running...really...this one deserves some notice!!

[Nutmeg]

I figured that was the reason for the cutaways too and there is little you can do for that isn't a fade or some really awkward looking editing. It does raise a question: how many current fight vid producers have any sort of film background? And before people scoff and wonder why would they be, recall that the early porn films featured a lot of guys trying to use those to build their skills and become 'legit' directors over time.