There was a 2001 meeting between carolina catfights and Renee's catfighthaven. Matches seemed quite competitve, girls were sexy, there were several for a duration of a couple of hours. It seems it has been lost it has never been availale again at either carolina catfights which still sells on clips 4 sales, but mostly light staged fights, nor at the haven, which still show some rare good match from the past. I would argue that decent (sometimes excelllent like the Holly vs Renee soap catfight) matches at the catfight haven were restricted to earlier than 2005-2006, all of the later production looks like staged bullshit.