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The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« on: June 14, 2010, 06:46:29 PM »
Just wanted to get some opinions on the Catfight Report website and any thoughts or suggestions on what could be done better.

I put about 10 to 15 percent of my work week into it, so it is nowhere near what I envision, but I feel like I have made some strides and hopefully I'm producing a decent service for you all.

I can't guarantee I will implement all thoughts and suggestions, but if something is good, and makes sense, I will consider it.

How am I doing and what praise and criticisms do you have?

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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 03:44:21 PM »
Great site for the catfighting afficinados!

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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 06:58:47 PM »
Thanks for the comments so far.

There is a lot I want to improve, but here are two things I would love feedback on.

1.   Relative to the hits I receive, I don't get a lot of people voting on my polls.    I put the poll at the top of the page so people will see it, which deprives me of valuable ad space, but people still are not voting a whole lot.

Any ideas as to why?

2.   Comments.   Even with this thread here at freecatfights.com I have only had 3 comments.  (of which I appreciate very much!)

Is there something I can do better to engage the fans in conversation?   I seem to be very horrible at this from my experience.    I get a lot of hits, but very little participation, which often times leaves me wondering.

Thanks!
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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 05:14:26 AM »
Catfightreport:
        The problems I have with your product is twofold: 1) you are neither fish nor foul, and 2)the writing is simply uninteresting.

        While you call yourself “The Catfightreport” you will mention anything to do with female combat., or even its suggestion. If I was to speculate, I would suppose you are offering positive press to anyone who will play ball with you. I am sorry for the seeming harshness of this, but how else  can your  commitment to promoting “Bare Knuckles” be explained? Just how important in the grand scheme of things is this movie?

     So, your coverage of the scene/industry is a cross between People magazine and the suburban giveaway newspaper that promotes businesses by selling ads masked as reviews.

    The alternative? Go to a format that is more Parker than People. Robert Parker has a newsletter called the Wine Advocate, in which he reviews wines. Parker has most definite preferences and prejudices, but is remarkably consistent and above all honest. So, if you take a Parker review of a given wine, and adjust for the particulars of Parker’s pallet, you get a really valuable tool to use when purchasing. You could do the same for female fighting videos, establishing your own niche and maintaining your integrity.

     The writing: I am sorry, but you are simply not an interesting read. Your prose sits in the stomach like a particularly heavy meal without proper seasoning. Look at the writing of Sketch Artiste, for example. The composition of each sentece presents a new opportunity to grab your reader. Take more pride in your prose.


I actually think your criticisms on my writing is valid, but in my opinion, that's about it, and I will respectfully try to explain why.

What I think Bare Knuckles does for the industry..........is that "they" are one of the few that are putting resources up to bring female fighting to the mainstream.    With respect, I don't see many others doing it, if any at all.

Is the movie perfect?   Of course not.   

But, with fan support, and rampant interest, I think that it can greenlight other projects of similar and better stature.     

As for my writing, sure, some of it is uninteresting.   I wouldn't posit all of it as uninteresting.  I think my articles on the Catfight Fetish, the Digital Property Problem in the Industry, and a few others were worth a bit of merit.

Now when I report about Robin Givens vs Holly Robinson Peete, well, sorry, there just isn't much there to report.   However, it's relevant to the genre, and it's probably worth fans knowing about.   While the prose and presentation may not be absolutely top notch, I would be willing to bet some people came across my website, and had no idea that little skirmish (and it was a little skirmish it seems) ever occurred.

And, no, I don't mention positive press to anyone who will play ball, and many distributors will tell you that I have turned them down for my magazine.    So that part is simply untrue.   And, there are many people that have requested interviews, and I have actually turned down more than I have done, with a fair amount of condemnation for doing so.

And, I clearly have definite preferences and prejudices.  If you follow my website at all, I am always elevating the bad girls to the top of the heap, and I'm constantly asking about domination, humiliation, and I often make mention of the headscissor, the facesit, and the breast smother, my 3 favorite moves in many of my interviews and pieces.

As for establishing my own niche, I can't give away the details, but much is underway behind the scenes.  I'm bringing some stuff to the table that no one has ever done before.   Catfight Fantasy Girls is one example.   The project I'm working on now is MUCH bigger and I am not a small thinking individual.

I'm actually putting my real world business up for sale to go into this full time.   

I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

But, I will agree.   I am not the best writer in the world, but, I think I have improved the last couple of years.   I would love for those with better prose such as Sketch Artiste, and yourself, to join forces with me, share in some profit, and create a better product and service for all of us.

I'm a businessman.   I'm all ears.

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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 05:52:29 AM »
you do a very nice job on it..when I get my site done I would like to promote it on the catfight report

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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 08:32:02 PM »
Catfightreport:
       As a businessman, I think the first questions that must be asked are how does the money flow in this industry, and what product or service am I providing that will allow me to tap into that flow?

     As a long time enthusiast but still a devoted outsider, it would seem to me that the product offered, that which drives the cash flow, are videos. Female fighting videos of many, many genres and dispositions.  The visual impact, privacy, vibrancy and the “you are there and watching” quality of  videos have largely eliminated the market for still photos, and there never has been a real market for fiction. The marketplace is all about videos, the marketing and selling of videos. Coverage of anything else is ancillary at best, nonsensical fluff at worst.

      So, your focus, as a businessman, should be all female fighting videos. Basically a “trees and forest” approach to your coverage. You look at each company individually: how they are made, how they are marketed, how they are selling. How a production company “brands” its products. How it fits into the industry as a whole while attempting to distinguish itself in a crowded field.  And you also look at that industry, who’s moving ahead, who is falling behind.

      Catfightreport, your product should not be just so much fluff and silly polls. You need to get in there and be critical, or at least think critically.

      I’ll sketch out a quick idea for you. I started out buying the old “Golden Girls” videos in the early 80’s. Watching such beauties as Kim, Elsa and Stevie in admittedly less than compelling action. But I say without equivocation that the women were knockouts. In the last 25 years, the content has evolved wonderfully, thanks to such companies as Joan Wise, California Wildcats and Academy. But I would argue that the attractive quality of the women  has gone downhill in equal proportion to the increase in quality of that content. Kind of like a teeter-totter. Which American company today has women even approaching those women of a quarter century ago? Which American company features women who have both an active gym membership and are not disfigured by tattoos? Watching American products is about as arousing as watching the Discovery Channel.

      What has caused this steep decline? I would argue Ultimate Surrender. You might want to do something of an expose, or at least an honest piece, about how this company and its deep pockets porn conglomerate Mother Ship has taken the American industry and run it through the mud. Look into how much they are paying their models, and how this has caused that awful decline in attractiveness, and the ripple effect this has caused throughout the American arm of this industry.

      To do so may well be biting the hand that feeds you, but such an article, or any number of others like it, just might give you the credibility to do great things.

      As to the writing, there are a lot of people who can help you with that. But its really important. What good writing can do is to make something that is seemingly dull come alive, or interest you in something you never thought you would find so. Thats why I used Sketch Artiste as an example. There is a long thread questioning the gender of "female" posters, what were called "ladyboys" when I used to post here a few years ago. The outing of "ladyboys" is of very little interest to me, but Sketch, and before him Dionysus, are still "must reads."
 
In closing, I have to disagree with you as to the merit of “covering” l’affaire Givens-Peete.” I dug up an old Sports Illustrated article from October 24th 1988 that describes an altercation that took place between Holly Robinson Peete and Robin Givens.” is not reporting. You devote a remarkably large space on your site to something with ZERO payoff. You feature something that happened nearly a quarter century ago and goes nowhere.  The embedded videos are off-point, to put it mildly, or downright inappropriate. That video of Peete is about the autism of her child and her charitable work in that area. The end result is a cheapening of your product.


Videos certainly drive cash flow.  No question.   Remember that I've given about a 10 to 20 percent effort here.   I am my own worse critic.    So much of what you say I agree with, but in the pie of time in a given day, one can only do so much, especially when you are only 1 person.

And, I like the producers in this industry.   Most of them anyway.   Some things I want to do, and some things I don't.   Some do it so well there is no reason to venture there.   Some I want to promote and bring more fans to.   Others I do not.

But that which you deem nonsensical fluff is simply 1 opinion.   If you have noticed or learned anything in this industry, it is that the things that people like and dislike are actually quite different in proportion to one another.

Some like fat girls, some like skinny girls, some like winners, some like losers, some like nudity, some like hints of nudity, and the variations run on and on and on and on.

Back to nonsensical fluff.   There is a method to my madness, but I simply cannot reveal all here.  I'm sorry.

You say my polls are fluff.   Yes, some are.   But my latest one is not fluff at all.   But, polls are unscientific, as you well know, and there is only so much we can base on them.   However, it does provide information, and if you are smart, you know that information is quite valuable.

And again, I have been critical.   Again, I don't think you have visited my site much.   Check the archives.  You will find critical material there.   But, again, 1 can only be so critical when you only have 10 to 20 percent time to work on something.

The Catfight Report is and was an experiment, I've gathered information, learned, and now I'm making moves.    As you well know, I can't reveal all those moves.   However, critical thinkers should be able to figure things out.

And what is there to be critical about Ultimate Surrender?   Many people love Ultimate Surrender.  Nobody held a gun to any of the girl's head to accept the money to wrestle nor did anyone hold a gun to a customer's head to purchase their product.    In a free market, of which I wish was much more free, this is how things should and must work.

Do I think I think they could have more attractive girls?   Sure.  But those are my tastes.   They have the right to put any woman they want out there.   If people don't buy their videos, hopefully they will change course.

I read an old post at the Naked Wrestling Forum where Academy Bruce even admitted that companies like Ultimate Surrender have ultimately "probably" brought him more visits and customers.   You deem this a bad thing?

How about all the people that I have added on myspace, facebook, youtube, and other places?  What about the fans that I have brought to this industry?    I've had more than a few thank me for turning them on to this stuff.   Since I'm not a producer, SOMEONE is most likely benefiting from this, and that brings me joy.

But again, even with the Golden Girls analogy, you insert your own biases and act as if that is what the industry craves.   In most regards I agree.  However, I actually run a website in this industry, and I've learned that the tastes are WIDELY varied.   I don't like tattooed girls much myself either, but there are those who do, let's not forget.

I totally agree with you on the writing being important and that is a criticism I do take to heart and seek to improve upon.   On the Holly Peete vs Robin Givens example, there was a reason I posted youtube videos rather than their pictures, but I will not go into that here.   But, I agree, it was sloppy, and those were not the best videos to post.   I agree completely there.

And I do want to say that I GREATLY appreciate you taking the time to let me know your opinions, and I hope you offer up more, and I hope others will take time out of their day to do the same.   
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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2010, 09:51:57 PM »
Catfightreport:

    My argument is a little more involved than that.

    In the 90’s, before the internet completely changed the way female fighting videos were marketed and sold, you had  remarkably fewer production companies making remarkably fewer products. These were cottage industry companies, and largely labors of love. I seriously doubt that California Wildcats, for example, turned much of a profit. I seriously wonder whether or not they even recovered their costs despite charging prices that would cause massive outrage in today’s market. Their videos would be released the same way a mother robin would treat her chick: push them out of the nest and hope the fuck they can fly. Their only hope of success lay in the quality of the production: the hotness of the women and the intense realism of their content.

The result: again, I cannot speak to financial side (although I will point this out before someone else does: they went out of the catfight business and into the “sexfight” business) the videos remain near-universal benchmarks for quality. SketchArtiste says their motto should be "Our old stuff still kicks ass on most of the new stuff available today." I would only say to that, most? Please, for the love of God and all that is holy, tell me who today (outside Central Europe) has women that hot in action that compelling? My credit card and I are dying to know.

 Along came the internet and the virtual bursting of the dam. Production companies sprang up all over. But it was Ultimate Surrender who saw the possibilities better than everyone else, saw the way to best exploit the new situation. Prices would be cut roughly in half, and new content was guaranteed on a weekly basis. Cash flow was guaranteed by charging for membership, which worked  as well to make the consumer accept what they were given. The emphasis became on what was new, and more importantly, what was sure   to come to you next week.

This new mentality i.e. a constant supply of new material for a lot less than you were paying for CW, worked as surely as did the ringing of the bell for Pavlov and his dogs. And to the dogs is precisely where US headed, diving for the low ground and greater profits with ever-diminshing attention to the quality side. Starting with the exquisite promise of Janay (has anyone other than Alecia Ames with Joan Wise ever been so associated with a production company as when Janay jumpstarted US?), who was jettisoned after the first year, it just got worse and worse. The quality of the women became basically irrelevant. No woman of above the Mendoza Line attractiveness, of Cal Wildcats quality, was ever going to perform for what US was paying their performers, and risk being on the business end of the trademark synthetic penis. And gone was the idea of a locale, i.e. outdoors, to provide texture and atmosphere. All US needed was a mat, a camera and two unattractive women who really needed the money and didn't mind having something shoved up their cooch.

The direction of the industry was now set in stone. To use below Mendoza Line performers became the norm. New companies were free to form, but would find it hard to break free of the virtual tourniquet that US had placed around the American arm of the industry. There was simply too much pressure to conform to the 1 video per week for $20 formula.

And the overall quality of American female fighting videos took a nose dive. That’s the argument.


I like the Mendoza line reference.   I'm a baseball fan myself and two of the big bats on my Chicago Cubs team are hovering around that famous batting average.

There is most certainly a big gap that needs to be filled in this industry.

Yes, I think I read somewhere that Ultimate Surrender only pays something like $125 a match if I remember correctly.

Ofecteau, check your pms in about 10 minutes.
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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2010, 04:14:24 PM »
Catfightreport,

You can hardly do any worse than to buy into the same rant that Ofecteau, or Meyer Lemon, or whatever handle he uses at whatever other forums he visits, has been honing at cat fight message boards for the past 10 years. The gentleman has never gotten past the day that Janay was dismissed from the wrestling promoter of last resort,

Today he's claimed the North American producers don't care about "product quality" or the appearance of the women. Tomorrow he'll come back (if you encourage him) and give you his formula for producing "quality products" that denies the appearance of the women matters, that its all in editing and post-production.

There are nuggets of true wisdom and insight but be wary of the entire argument as it is the critic's advantage to sit on the sideline and throw rocks without ever risking anything.

Oh, and I know, obviously, exactly what and how U.S. pays. The amount you posted here is nowhere close to accurate. Contact any of the Porn Valley agencies and get a quote for a g/g scene. Work up from there.  :o

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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2010, 12:51:57 AM »
Well KC in fact he is one of the greatest experts on earth on the Academy catalog. Until a few years ago he bought virtually everything we put out, but became bitter when we stopped using attractive women (read - women not of European descent; women with tattoos). He is actually very bright and very articulate.
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Re: The Catfight Report - How am I doing?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2010, 09:43:38 PM »
I apologize for not getting back on this thread sooner.

I don't say this in a mean way.   Opinions, are like assholes, everyone has one.

However, opinions are good, because we need to know what people want to see out there.   However, love him or hate him, Academy Bruce, in my opinion, is the top producer of real female wrestling content in the United States.   I believe that 100 years from now people will still be watching, enjoying, and discussing his vast contributions to this industry.

On the other side of the sea, my opinion, is that DWW is the king, and I believe the same in regards to them.

If Academy Bruce is enjoying what he does, and his customers enjoy what he offers, than Academy Bruce has done his job.

Period.

We can debate all day about what makes for good or bad content but we will never come to an agreement.     I am one who does not seek consensus on any issue.   I take opinions, I take what I like and what I think holds logic, and I try to discard or change that in which I think holds merit that can make an offering better.

There will be no consensus on any of this anytime soon, and most likely, there never will.   

My opinion is, and always will be, to let the market decide.

Let the market decide.

The invisible hand of the free market will give you all the answers you ever need.
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