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Can we call out some artists more often?

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Offline Bumbpner22

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Can we call out some artists more often?
« on: March 15, 2021, 09:43:21 PM »
Just a general question but I’m browsing artwork and stories a lot lately:  As fans if you see someone posting a story about a combatant or artwork about combatants who are under 18–call that out please.  While it’s not real any type of allusion to it or any type of reference to that type of fight regardless of context shouldn’t be tolerated. 

I get putting scenarios like ones where combatants have to fight their way out.  I get having to make characters fight against their will.  But as I’m browsing more and more I’m finding there’s like this weird tolerance for people posting things about combatants who are not 18 or older.  That shouldn’t be tolerated imo.

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Offline daz

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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2021, 12:18:19 AM »
i get the whole school uniform thing BUT regardless of the story all participants should be adults.

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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2021, 09:11:57 AM »
I thoroughly disagree with this premise.  It is one thing to say that no minor should have their personal picture shown without their consent.  I thoroughly agree with that.  But to say that artwork, fiction and news accounts cannot contain drawings, characters and factual representations on account that the participants are said, or drawn, to be minors is an entirely different matter.  It is no longer protecting the privacy and integrity of an actual minor and now crossing over into the realm of "thought police" and censorship.  It is not our job to police against mere impure thoughts.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that drawings and cartoons, as reprehensible in subject matter as they may be, do not constitute child pornography in the criminal sense. Only materials reflecting or portraying actual minors are capable of becoming evidence of criminal sexual activity.  It has also held that pictures taken in public of voluntary activity, even if reprehensible in content, are not illegal.  No one, not even a minor, has any right or expectation of privacy when filmed acting voluntarily in public.  Free speech matters almost as much as privacy does, and is at least equal with morality.  Writers and artists are entitled to tackle all kinds of subjects that many of us may find objectionable.  That means we have no right to silence them simply on account that we disagree with their viewpoint.  We are free to read it, or ignore it.  We are also free to express our disagreement with the content.  But we are not free to police it, suppress it or ban it.

To paraphrase Mr. Justice Robert Jackson, forcing the unanimity of opinion is a slippery slope toward elimination of dissent and the silencing of dissenters.  Soon, one finds themselves eliminating dissenters.  It achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.  Only then is there silence.  That is not the kind of world for which I can or would ever advocate.

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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2021, 10:07:10 AM »
In reply to Seve2u any representation of children in what is a sexual fetish is quite pllainly disgusting.

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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2021, 10:41:35 AM »
I understand that it may not be illegal but that doesn’t make it acceptable by any means. Think about what you’re saying is acceptable here— writing and making fiction involving underage individuals ion the context of a sexual fetish is acceptable.

I don’t care if it’s illegal or not. I’m not here to send people to jail. But what I can do is actively point out what some are doing is wrong and disgusting. There’s a line somewhere in our fetish.  I personally feel that line has to start that all individuals involved with regards to the sexual fetish have to be 18+.

It’s mind blowing that some think it’s perfectly acceptable to write stories involving underage teen girls wrestling in bikinis.  Like that is gross and it’s just wrong. Personally while it’s not illegal and I get why that is; we as fans I believe have a moral obligation to point out to people that underage anything with regards to a sexual fetish is wrong.

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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2021, 11:22:08 AM »
Oh and in my earlier reply I had to stop typing because the rubbish that seve2u wrote made me so angry.  Anyone who supports what is essentially peadophilia should recieve an automatic ban.

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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2021, 12:17:16 PM »
ok a couple things to make clear here: I don't give a damn what the US Supreme courts views on the subject are, the rule on this site is no under 18 depiction. If you wish to discuss your teenage daughter's MMA career, do it on an MMA forum. And any discussion of fighting is assumed to be sexualized because, that is what this forum is about.

The reason we have this rule is to avoid legal entanglements and issues with our ISP/ server. The latter could get a complaint and decide we are too much trouble to have around. And the laws on child pornography vary greatly from nation to nation. Sadly a lot assume that if it is on the internet and the site is legit, then the material is legal.

Take that cartoon of sexualized children that the US is fine with. Move the computer that downloaded it from Detroit to Windsor and you are under arrest. 

“any written material, visual representation, or audio recording that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 years that would be an offence under this Act (Section 163.1 (1)." is the Canadian Criminal Code's view on it.

So this rule protects the site and its members.

I ask that members don't use this thread to debate our site's rule on it because it will not end well for the thread. Also be aware that some of your comments here could come across as though you are in favor of child pornography . So consider them carefully. and If someone sounds like they are advocating it a little too hard don't be shocked if you end up removed from here.

My advice on "calling out people" it might be worth looking at the rules of the place you are seeing the material on. If there is some way to report it or at least ask what the sites feelings are on that kind of material I would suggest you do so. You might be able to solve the problem without confrontation OR realize that if you raise a stink , the site will see you as the problem.

I would also suggest seeing if directly contacting the artist or writer could help. There could be some reason why they are doing what they are doing that is not sinister. The guy drawing 17 year olds wrestling might be 18 and it doesn't seem so weird for him. Or is in a country where that is an adult.

Or they could tell you to piss off and mind your own business... but there are options.








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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2021, 03:58:12 PM »
Women and en fighting in a sexual nature is what this site is all about, it is a sexual fetish. As such as a writer I will refrain from writing about characters who are underage. It is not a slippery slope, it is not squashing dissent, in fact, as somebody who lived in a police state where the militias were formed from willing co-conspirators, of people, who are willing to storm the building of lawmakers to forcibly ignore results is a clear sign one is already blind to said slippery slope.

Just like with every form of art, previously squashed voices with disposable income want a more accurate representation which just happens to meet the demands of parents not to depict their children in a sexual fashion and with people being knowledgeable about the biological tendency of not being attracted to people who are underage. Responsible adults know that still maturing adolescent humans can be and/or are influenced by factors where their decision rests not on reason, but on hormonal desires in their path of discovery into adulthood, and as such does not even want to engage them on it.
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Re: Can we call out some artists more often?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2021, 03:45:51 AM »
I’m glad everyone for the most part is in agreement.  I just got done browsing an older hostboard with a guy who wrote about family fights and well it’s fucking gross.

I also just reported a deviantart user who’s fairly prominent who consistently posts 3D images of clearly underage girls in brutal fights.   I fully support this sites strong stance on the issue.

Thanks!