Understanding why we like catfights

[Kiva]

Is it ok for a nurse to weigh in? Not that nursing gives me any qualifications for this topic. I'm just a science nerd who loves to read and talk science.

I think the idea that prehistoric women have competed with each other for men and men favor successful female fighters is modern male fantasy rather than the outcome of Darwinian natural selection. In fact, in most complex species (i.e. mammals), it's the males who compete and the females are selective . Rin753 is correct. For males, it's about quantity. Females look for quality. Females are attracted to which males can provide the best resources for offspring to survive. That's why we like jocks, rock stars, men with status and power, and rich guys. Males are driven to reproduce as much as they possibly can. The male elk that wins the antler fight in rutting season will try to boff every female in the harem. It's a similar process in most species.

It is believed that natural selection has favored women NOT fighting for the simple reason that we are critically valuable in birthing and raising children to risk serious injury or death. Men, on the other hand, are more expendable, so they live high risk, violent lives.

I think if men inherited genes from ancient ancestors that specifically  coded for sexual arousal by female fighters, it would have been obvious throughout human history. Also, I know many guys here have fantasies about their women, including mothers, getting defeated. I don't see how this fits natural selection.

So, I think to understand catfight fantasies, we have to learn more about very early sexual development. I suspect there is some truth to the childhood imprint theory, where an experience or image (pro wrestling, Raquel Welch cavewoman fight, etc.) during a sensitive period in brain development, makes a lasting impression in the sexual stimulation part of the brain and fully blooms during puberty. We really know little about sexuality. It's an interesting topic and I could be persuaded to change my mind with new evidence.

You may enjoy this article about evolution of human mating by a social psychologist at Duke University.
https://www.wondriumdaily.com/mating-through-evolution-how-men-and-women-choose-partners/

[Josephinex]

Hello, bringing this up again. I found a new word that may describe this fetish we have: agonophilia (https://www.kinkyhow.com/agonophilia/). what do you guys think? is it accurate as a broad term for what we like?

[nehawrestler]

the foundation of many sexual interests and fetishes can often be traced back to formative experiences or exposures. these do not necessarily have to be inherently sexual but can evolve into a sexualized interest over time....there is also the role of power dynamics in sexual arousal and fetish development... the fascination of female competition stems from the intrinsic human interest in social hierarchies and the demonstration of physical or psychological prowess. apart from that the concept of taboo also plays a significant role. what is deemed forbidden or outside societal norms acquires an increased allure. the deviation from mainstream sexual interest adds a layer of excitement and uniqueness...

[wasteland1952]

When it comes to the views of some people, they have a tendency to only put forward arguments that support there own political doctrines.   They totally ignore things like science (pheramones).  Upbringing,  Romance etc.   Regardless this is not supposed to be that type of chat.   Many fans grow up feeling a sense of guilt over liking catfights.   Its not about wanting the winning woman or the losing woman.   At the end of the day most people can seperate the fantasy from the reality so its about the erotic conflict of 2 ladies ina hot yet tabboo situation.

I'm not sure about the "sense of guilt," rather to me it's more of a feeling of isolation or feeling alone.  For years I thought I was the only one who got a thrill out of seeing two women fight.  It wasn't until I reached the age of 18 or 19, and could do the occasional visit to the adult bookstore, where I discovered a mag or two devoted to girls wrestling.  Of course, this was years before the internet.  I then realized there were others who felt the same as I did.  Through the occasional mag add for female wrestling videos, and outfits like Crystal, I discovered the catfight community was much larger than I realized.  But it was the internet that really opened my eyes to the extent of the catfight phenomenon.  And of course the advent of cell phones with cameras that allowed real fights to be recorded and shared via the net showed just how large the community truly is.

[Bear]

the foundation of many sexual interests and fetishes can often be traced back to formative experiences or exposures. these do not necessarily have to be inherently sexual but can evolve into a sexualized interest over time....there is also the role of power dynamics in sexual arousal and fetish development... the fascination of female competition stems from the intrinsic human interest in social hierarchies and the demonstration of physical or psychological prowess. apart from that the concept of taboo also plays a significant role. what is deemed forbidden or outside societal norms acquires an increased allure. the deviation from mainstream sexual interest adds a layer of excitement and uniqueness...

This is one of the best written and most accurate explanations of this fetish that I've ever read.  Short and to the point -- no BS. 

[clark85]

the foundation of many sexual interests and fetishes can often be traced back to formative experiences or exposures. these do not necessarily have to be inherently sexual but can evolve into a sexualized interest over time....there is also the role of power dynamics in sexual arousal and fetish development... the fascination of female competition stems from the intrinsic human interest in social hierarchies and the demonstration of physical or psychological prowess. apart from that the concept of taboo also plays a significant role. what is deemed forbidden or outside societal norms acquires an increased allure. the deviation from mainstream sexual interest adds a layer of excitement and uniqueness...
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Oh definitely my first exposure was from watching the cop tv show chips as a toddler and they had the mud wrestling scene on it.  It woke something up in me at 5 or 6 years old that is still with me to this day lol.  I was mesmerized and loved it at that age haha, even though I was nowhere near starting puberty yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04yCRHXum-Y

[Bear]

Oh definitely my first exposure was from watching the cop tv show chips as a toddler and they had the mud wrestling scene on it.  It woke something up in me at 5 or 6 years old that is still with me to this day lol.  I was mesmerized and loved it at that age haha, even though I was nowhere near starting puberty yet

So, was that an episode of CHiPs, Sheriff Lobo or Sledge Hammer?   

[Hairpullfan]

Love these conversations!  After my own self reflection, here is my theory for myself. I remember being under 10 years old and getting really anxious seeing things fight, like dogs or I remember horses on some TV show. I also discovered masterbation pre pubescent and for some reason I drfted to masturbating to these fights that made me so anxious to view. Well fold in puberty and happening to come across a TV show with female oil wrestling that added sexiness to my fight anxiety and feelings were multiplied. I also developed a foot fetish at that same young age, so add another muplication!  Oil wrestling soon turned into loving cat fights and I've been 'enjoying' them for about 40 years now.

[DS79]

Love these conversations!  After my own self reflection, here is my theory for myself. I remember being under 10 years old and getting really anxious seeing things fight, like dogs or I remember horses on some TV show. I also discovered masterbation pre pubescent and for some reason I drfted to masturbating to these fights that made me so anxious to view. Well fold in puberty and happening to come across a TV show with female oil wrestling that added sexiness to my fight anxiety and feelings were multiplied. I also developed a foot fetish at that same young age, so add another muplication!  Oil wrestling soon turned into loving cat fights and I've been 'enjoying' them for about 40 years now.

I see myself here again. I too was initially excited by fights in the animal kingdom, in stories and fairy tales or by sporting competitions. Sexual fantasies grew with magazines in the 90s and the Internet a decade later. Today, hair pulling, scratching and pinching is one of my favorite tactics in real female fights.

[man-of-sea]

The issue boils down to how little we really understand genetic  coding. How vital information is  coded molecularly into the  DNA and then read out by the neurons in our brains.  It's a very complicated but well know to the chemical receptors that trigger the brain "mind". Most of this is just chemical memory and can be easily  pass down by chemical transfer by each new  generation ie DNA for genetic information memory. That in the  early child brain development is when must of the chemical memory is transferred to the brain neurons. This is  why each species  have similar genetic traits of functions. Im not sure if I am expressing this right in a few sentences. but it is my two cents of this wonderful subject that we all share.

[clark85]

Oh definitely my first exposure was from watching the cop tv show chips as a toddler and they had the mud wrestling scene on it.  It woke something up in me at 5 or 6 years old that is still with me to this day lol.  I was mesmerized and loved it at that age haha, even though I was nowhere near starting puberty yet

So, was that an episode of CHiPs, Sheriff Lobo or Sledge Hammer?   

Oh its in the clip its from Chips

[Bear]

The issue boils down to how little we really understand genetic  coding. How vital information is  coded molecularly into the  DNA and then read out by the neurons in our brains.  It's a very complicated but well know to the chemical receptors that trigger the brain "mind". Most of this is just chemical memory and can be easily  pass down by chemical transfer by each new  generation ie DNA for genetic information memory. That in the  early child brain development is when must of the chemical memory is transferred to the brain neurons. This is  why each species  have similar genetic traits of functions. Im not sure if I am expressing this right in a few sentences. but it is my two cents of this wonderful subject that we all share.

What you're saying is that we may well have a pre-disposition to this in our DNA, like we do for things like heart disease or alcoholism or understanding physics, etc. but there has to be an external stimulus that triggers the characteristic and brings it to the surface.  Very interesting! 

I need to think about that for about a month. 

[NCP707]

My husband said it was because he hates himself because his father abused him or allowed him to be abused, his step-father had some super weird shit going on with massive dildos and his mom didn't care about any of it and neglected him, hence his hatred and abuse fantasies about women.

At least that's what he told me las year when I finally asked.

I believe it is that and for him, disassociate states to deal with trauma, because he has hundreds of different usernames on this and other sites, all talking to one another, and I don't believe it is just for the likes and increase in traffic to his paid sites.

Hopefully you all have healthier things going on than he does. His is a scary mind and world. He writes stories like you see here about all of the real women he knows and meets and have had relationships with. All of them. That is scary to me. But I clearly don't understand.

[clark85]

My husband said it was because he hates himself because his father abused him or allowed him to be abused, his step-father had some super weird shit going on with massive dildos and his mom didn't care about any of it and neglected him, hence his hatred and abuse fantasies about women.

At least that's what he told me las year when I finally asked.

I believe it is that and for him, disassociate states to deal with trauma, because he has hundreds of different usernames on this and other sites, all talking to one another, and I don't believe it is just for the likes and increase in traffic to his paid sites.

Hopefully you all have healthier things going on than he does. His is a scary mind and world. He writes stories like you see here about all of the real women he knows and meets and have had relationships with. All of them. That is scary to me. But I clearly don't understand.

hmm abuse fantasies and hatred about women isnt what we like at all though.  At least thats not the connection between abuse and mud wrestling or something, very bizarre. I dont think he likes the same thing..

[lumberjack66]

Like I have said before, we have a pretty wide range and from what I have gathered some kind of abuse would be a tiny tiny percentage of us.  In fact I have never heard anybody before with that kind of history.  Sounds like your husband should use some of his money from his paid sites to get some help.  Seriously.  I have had years of counseling (mostly unrelated to this) and it has been very beneficial.  Totally worth the money.

[lumberjack66]