SuiteFights

[Suited an]

I would suggest the 'solution' might be to go to AI.  I am seeing some pretty amazing AI short videos on Youtube, some of these are getting into the 10 to 20 minute range.

Several of my friends here are making pretty good short catfight clips using AI as well.

To do good work, seems to require the use of several different video tools and possibly voice actors.  On the other hand, a gentleman recently made a long documentary about Iran using nothing but AI.  To make a movie length feature cost him around $2000.

This is probably the 'future' of all video/film, normal and fetish.

Doubtless there are up front costs for the software and a considerable learning curve but eliminates airline tickets, hotel room costs, model costs and no shows.

There will always be a market for real people having real fights but... this will be an answer for some issues.

The only question is whether censorship will limit this, the way they applied that through the credit card companies.

Not to be rude, but most AI catfight videos look corny as fuck. Great staredown pics but the action resembles two female dressed water balloons fighting.


Also, thumbdrives, lol. It'd be easier just to do file shares.

[locked]

This shit doesn't turn a profit lol.

Nope.

Unless you get an absolute banger of a catfight, the best you can hope for is to break even, and only then not until several months after release.

Seems you have to be wealthy to produce this stuff on a continuous basis.  DWW, Fighting Dolls, Foxy Combat and Calif. Wildcats look to have had plenty of money behind them to do so with their classy venues ( apparently their property ) and gorgeous models / women.

One exception was ECNWC who seemed to be doing what he could with what he had. This 'bare bones' look to his stuff worked in his favor as it came across as real, arranged fights. ECNWC was the first place I ever paid attention to catfights, always favoring wrestling. The guy was a real nice guy too, responding to my e-mails with questions like he was a long time friend of mine.  GR from DWW and Marty from Ca Wildcats were also very personable in responding to their fans.

I once asked about a custom from CA Wild Cats and was shocked that Marty said his customs started at $2500.   

I apologized for asking , telling him that was way out of my financial budget for my goofy FF fetish. But don't you know , a couple months later they release a video almost what I had requested ... not exactly,  but a lot was what I asked for in my requested custom.

I sent a message to him thanking them and offering to pay what I could for it and he responded not to worry about it to just enjoy it.   Great people and sorry to see them gone. I doubt you'll ever see caring people like this in the industry again. Like mentioned elsewhere , it'll all be AI sooner than we think.  

[rendalthor]

I remember a lot of the problems Suitefights commented on when I came to finding the right opponents, the overhead costs, all of that.

The models are of course in it for the paycheck and from their perspective can't afford to get messed up for one job.  This greatly limits who you can get and if.

I would suggest the 'solution' might be to go to AI.  I am seeing some pretty amazing AI short videos on Youtube, some of these are getting into the 10 to 20 minute range.

Several of my friends here are making pretty good short catfight clips using AI as well.

To do good work, seems to require the use of several different video tools and possibly voice actors.  On the other hand, a gentleman recently made a long documentary about Iran using nothing but AI.  To make a movie length feature cost him around $2000.

This is probably the 'future' of all video/film, normal and fetish.

Doubtless there are up front costs for the software and a considerable learning curve but eliminates airline tickets, hotel room costs, model costs and no shows.

There will always be a market for real people having real fights but... this will be an answer for some issues.

The only question is whether censorship will limit this, the way they applied that through the credit card companies.

                    -Hal
You are right.  I am now able to produce 30 second clips of life like women wrestling with the women being dressed or undressed as I choose, and the women having the exact physical features I choose with no tattoos or obvious plastic surgery.  It's already amazing what can be done and only a matter of time before an internet ai company sets up in an unregulated country. It's already happening with small companies like dream.ai and before long we'll have the ability to accurately and quickly create fetish like catfights.  The future is bright for those who want it.

With the current censorship laws in the  EU, I am unable to view my purchased C4S content unless I upload my driving licence or passport,  to be used as C4S sees fit to disclose to C4S demes appropriate.  Fuck that,  I have purchased hundreds of dollars of videos from Suitefight, all unavailable through Clips4sale

But, I guess that is of no concern to the producers

I sympathize with you. I myself have to use a VPN to bypass the age verification bullshit in order to access the site. It sucks, but I don't make the rules.

Sadly those same UK/EU rules are about to be passed here in the states. Some states already have them. This is why an all "digital" world was gonna suck when the elites/government controls everything. Eventually they'll find a way to get rid of VPNs like ESPN has done with ESPN+

[Suited an]

ESPN+ can do that since they control their own platform. Governments don't control the platforms hosting the content and can't effectively negate them unless they go the Great Firewall of China route.

[kromas]

SuiteFights,

have you considered doing just more regular female submission wrestling, with scissorholds, pins etc. instead and possibly doing catfights as a side thing if the opportunity presents itself during one of those shoots?
I know you've done some oil wrestling matches, which I bought from your store and enjoyed. Have you any plans to do more of that? Maybe without the oil? Personally I love female wretling just with scissorholds, schoolgirlpins, facesitting. I don't need catfight tactics necessarily.
You have mentioned that you've lost money due to girls not showing up and so on.
Women are spontaneous creatures, that would possibly do a catfight on the spot if they were in the right mood.
I think women overthink the idea of a catfight and then decide against it after weighing all the pros and cons.
What if you just filmed regular female submission wrestling videos with a couple of girls and then offered to shoot an extra catfight as a bonus, if any of the girls are up for it?
Also, if you film with several girls during one shoot, you might not lose money because one girl that's at the shoot could replace another one that didnt show up. You would get videos out of the shoot regardless.
Just some thoughts.
Anyways, thanks for all you've done, you've created some masterpieces of female fighting over the years that will forever be remembered.

[pinner45]

I like what Kromas has to say. It mirrors my thoughts about Suite Fights. I think that his suggestions are valid and doable. Whether Steve is in the mood for such a shift is unknown. I have made suggestions to him about not trying to find the best models, but rather more ordinary ladies who hopefully would have the intensity to do the job. It is his company and he has been one of the very best producers so it ultimately lies with him.

[pinner45]