[jaybee]

I may be just the "old man yelling at clouds" on this one but I wish the female fighting scene would kinda scale back on the Sexfights and Jobber (one sided) matches. "Real" catfights are almost dead (I hate to say i told you so but...) and even (QUALITY) scripted catfights are starting to disappear. Thank goodness topless competitive/semi-competitive wrestling is still going but those looking for catty tactics in their matches (real or scripted) there's starting to become slim pickings. I've got a bunch of theories to why this is happening ranging from lazy producers, to catfight grifters,  to fans settling for anything due to lack of content, all the way to fans expectations getting too high and ridiculous (I could rant for days about this one ). The reasons I listed are just a few reasons I think we're at where we're at but either way (sorry to sound like a broken record) I miss the days of effort being put into scripted catfights and though I've kinda moved on from the "real" catfights on behalf of those fans i wish they could still get to enjoy what they liked as well.

[Bry-]

I think the main reason is that the production costs are high, and with piracy available and every transaction being tracked, people are not willing to pay for catfights. After all, it is significantly more acceptable for people to like sexfights because it has the word sex in them.

I imagine the performers would have a much easier time earning money by doing vanilla scenes, highly scripted, OnlyFans, etc. To be clear, I don't see it as a bad thing. I am entirely for that if women can make money in a safer environment and keep more of their earned money. I think the problem is the taboos that need to be broken—for example, social acceptance of paying good money for fetish content.

[jaybee]

I think the main reason is that the production costs are high, and with piracy available and every transaction being tracked, people are not willing to pay for catfights. After all, it is significantly more acceptable for people to like sexfights because it has the word sex in them.

I imagine the performers would have a much easier time earning money by doing vanilla scenes, highly scripted, OnlyFans, etc. To be clear, I don't see it as a bad thing. I am entirely for that if women can make money in a safer environment and keep more of their earned money. I think the problem is the taboos that need to be broken—for example, social acceptance of paying good money for fetish content.

I think the fact anybody with some ring lights and an iPhone can make and sell a "catfight" is part of the problem. There's ZERO quality control and any ol' person can just flood the market with garbage. I do think adding the word "fight" to some of these titles is purposely misleading and dishonest. Some of these sexfights, titfights, or whatever fights try to piggyback off of the catfight name and audience. I wouldn't be so mad if those titles actually incorporated some fighting/grappling but most are just 2 girls having sex or two girls just rubbing each others boobs with ZERO fighting involved. The least you could do is give me sorta what you advertised. As far as the abundance of one sided matches lately goes, after a while it just comes off as "lazy booking". I'm not saying a squash now and then is a bad thing but when you cease to stop doing regular matches completely and just go with the easy one-sided beat downs?... I question your motivation and reasoning.  NOW ALSO... the consumer is also at fault. Basically if we continue to digest crap we're going to continue to get fed crap especially if the crap is easier/cheaper to produce. If I'm a producer who's only in it for the money and no matter the quality production i put out people will buy it anyway what incentive do I have to try and do better?  So who's really at fault

[watchembox]

Yes, the days of early Crystal and Festelle are gone. I just don't think the younger generation has the will to get out bed and get dressed unless its to mutilate their hair or bodies with piercings or tattoos, let alone fight another woman for real. Even in the U.S. the only thing close is  So Cal and nothing left British anymore. If anyone has anything new like old Crystal hook us up'

[ChandieSavage]

Yes, the days of early Crystal and Festelle are gone. I just don't think the younger generation has the will to get out bed and get dressed unless its to mutilate their hair or bodies with piercings or tattoos, let alone fight another woman for real. Even in the U.S. the only thing close is  So Cal and nothing left British anymore. If anyone has anything new like old Crystal hook us up'

I hope the stuff I'm making satisfies some of the things you guys are finding harder to find these days. I'm not sure the names of all the companies but I try to have an old-school catfight vibe going on for most of my shoots:

https://mixedwrestling.video/watch/bWcX8CTV2L9Deuh

[DottiD]

Just my 2 cents here, there is a lull in the entertainment sector for quality style cat or for that matter any fight between women. I agree a huge part of it is producers slipping in sex to what should be just plain competition, one of the biggest that fell short i think is Nepali video, they had a gold mine and destroyed it by taking competitive scenarios and making the women kiss and moan over trying to win or trash talking. Same with the videos of Goldie Blair great body and bust always ends in kissing and sexfight which is more like the two hot fighters getting off, we need producers that give the audience what they pay to see not what they enjoy seeing. My husband and i use to buy Nepali videos but between the hour long video having relooked same scene from another angle making the video 35 minutes at best it always got to one starts to take control then they kiss ruins the struggle and setup of the titfight .

[jaybee]

Just my 2 cents here, there is a lull in the entertainment sector for quality style cat or for that matter any fight between women. I agree a huge part of it is producers slipping in sex to what should be just plain competition, one of the biggest that fell short i think is Nepali video, they had a gold mine and destroyed it by taking competitive scenarios and making the women kiss and moan over trying to win or trash talking. Same with the videos of Goldie Blair great body and bust always ends in kissing and sexfight which is more like the two hot fighters getting off, we need producers that give the audience what they pay to see not what they enjoy seeing. My husband and i use to buy Nepali videos but between the hour long video having relooked same scene from another angle making the video 35 minutes at best it always got to one starts to take control then they kiss ruins the struggle and setup of the titfight .

DottiDs comment gets a gold star!
Napali is definitely one of the companies I'd say just fell into the lazy production side of the argument. I will admit they always were really light on the fighting at times (REEEEEALLY light) but they struck such a good ballance of quality catfight storylines and softcore girl-girl
stuff with their earlier work. If certain girls were featured you knew you were getting an entertaining match!
    I know I mentioned titfights earlier and as far as they go those are the only catfight subgenre matches that if done right can still be VERY entertaining. For proof check out Ivy Rains latest crop of titfights. They have come up with the right formula of how to have a catfight with heavy focus on a specific attack but throw in enough variety that it doesn't become boring and repetitive. Since I'm in a fighting mood I'll pick on catball catfights as an example of a boring, repetitive fight. I'm pretty sure every catfight fan loves a good catball BUT 2 girls just rolling back and forth for THE ENTIRE DURATION of the video gets boring real quick. Again having a certain move highlighted in your film isn't bad just throw in a little more variety. Just imagine if a hard-core wrestling match just consisted of one guy just hitting his opponent across the back repeatedly for 10 minutes with NO other spots or wrestling maneuvers. They'd get booed out the building.

[suhmann]

I'll add to that, it's also about women. There won't be any more women like that. Most of the old-school women loved wrestling. You could be in any type of entertainment, but a lot of them fell in love with wrestling.  Money was important, but not the way it is now. Many really loved the competitive content and being a winner. Also many had their favorite female opponents.  And the companies that filmed the fights didn't operate the way they do today. It was primarily a common interest corner with a regular audience and fans of certain ladies. Plus the ladies of course gave fight sessions for those interested and fans. To be honest, Crystal, Festelle made art out of catfight movies. Like Canadian movies. The old Napali and APL were also very epic. That last wave of girls who wrestled young in the 2000s and founded their own companies, still give more or less good content, but no longer the same. Latin American catfight in my opinion is too dynamic and tough. It's just a banal evil fist fight. Of course, many Kenyan and Nigerian girls shoot good fights, but most of them quickly disappeared.

[Bunpbner-man-22]

Not to be the guy here;  but it’s mainly financial and identities issues now. 

Even historically you had to kind of go about this differently but you could have a normal life outside of the genre, but now, unless you’re a 27-37 year old catfighter who’s made a career out of it I.E. Sarah Brooke, or even like when Chandie chimed in.

Unless you’re willing to commit into this world and probably wind up doing other forms of porn to supplement the income you’d get from catfighting you’re basically tossing a normal 9-5 out the window. 

The main reason is financial.  Sorry but the idea that catfighting is this big genre and is very lucrative is kinda nonsensical.  Is it a well known fetish? Sure, Bettie Paige is probably the deepest most people could get within the genre, but that illustrates the point.

Catfighting doesn’t sell as well as we’d like and there’s not a real industry around it similar to say the BDSM community or other fetishes, like feet. There’s not really a financial incentive to make a ton of this because the erotic appeal of the material is limited when thinking about a broad audience.

Congratulations we are the Warhammer 40k mini fetish! Think about it; the reason the genre is lacking right now, and it’s not because real catfights are still all the rage Slap City isn’t dead that’s gonna release probably rematch soon.  GNB just dropped 2 videos last month or maybe feb? Suitefights is kinda quiet from what I’ve seen on twitter, March 25th he said can’t catch a break.  And I think So Cal is probably gonna drop some stuff again. 

Problem is the audience isn’t there. Honestly it’s not that sexfighting is riding on Catfighting it’s the reverse Catfighting rides on Sex fighting.  So it’s just easier to market and make a profit and have access to more willing models. 

Plus the Catfighting community is very very nit picky.  I’m not innocent here, but that’s kinda not great especially given how limited the audience is I’m sure the models hate it more because it probably feels more personal than say a mass market porn actress.

Issue is right now also you kinda gotta know where to look.  There’s an elephant in the room and we all can’t ignore when it comes to piracy.  It’s why some models now only do direct sales so they can track where the leaks come from.

Now let’s address content—hot take if you like crystal you should like So Cal.  It’s quite literally the same thing when it comes to raw fighting.  Mary, Michelle, and Theresa all do the same thing that So Cal did.  They all swing to KO. 

If you’re looking more ECNWC with some rules well Slapcity, GNB, SF, Mexican Catfights (although I think they’re now done), and a few others too. 

Plus don’t forget the European studios also have some catfighting similar in the vein of dww but it’s clearly more wrestling focused.  Like fighting dolls got Luna to come back, Ines is still there. 


I think we have access to more content than we ever did.  I remember having to scoured yahoo groups looking at 40 sec vids trying to guess the studio.  Like for example in the late 70s and early 80s there was what maybe a handful of studios that did carfighting for real?  You had festelle, who was also more wrestling focused?  The American scene I don’t think had anyone solely on it until much later after the oil/mud wrestling scene here.

I think producers, who aren’t grifters, do share the same sentiment with you.  They love the grit the intent on winning, the raunchy, the intensity, but also don’t forget ECNWC also was a split studio of catfighting/wrestling.

I think the only thing that really sucks is that we lost access to phat pharahs collection to buy. I’d also add in MCM but they were scripted.

So ya it’s a whole hodge podge of stuff we’re headed into a lull but someone will do something and a new studio will pop up,  probably wouldn’t be surprised to more individual sales. 

Felt like for a hot minute maybe 2-4 years ago we were gonna get US-Mexico Catfight but it seems stalled now.  Plus Santana/Amber retired, Vi is still great, but Santana was UD there and she looked to have one of the meanest belly punches of all

The other thing too is we’re gonna see more and more MMA styled fights in terms of trained models goes too. So it’s always changing. 

[jaybee]

Not to be the guy here;  but it’s mainly financial and identities issues now. 

Even historically you had to kind of go about this differently but you could have a normal life outside of the genre, but now, unless you’re a 27-37 year old catfighter who’s made a career out of it I.E. Sarah Brooke, or even like when Chandie chimed in.

Unless you’re willing to commit into this world and probably wind up doing other forms of porn to supplement the income you’d get from catfighting you’re basically tossing a normal 9-5 out the window. 

The main reason is financial.  Sorry but the idea that catfighting is this big genre and is very lucrative is kinda nonsensical.  Is it a well known fetish? Sure, Bettie Paige is probably the deepest most people could get within the genre, but that illustrates the point.

Catfighting doesn’t sell as well as we’d like and there’s not a real industry around it similar to say the BDSM community or other fetishes, like feet. There’s not really a financial incentive to make a ton of this because the erotic appeal of the material is limited when thinking about a broad audience.

Congratulations we are the Warhammer 40k mini fetish! Think about it; the reason the genre is lacking right now, and it’s not because real catfights are still all the rage Slap City isn’t dead that’s gonna release probably rematch soon.  GNB just dropped 2 videos last month or maybe feb? Suitefights is kinda quiet from what I’ve seen on twitter, March 25th he said can’t catch a break.  And I think So Cal is probably gonna drop some stuff again. 

Problem is the audience isn’t there. Honestly it’s not that sexfighting is riding on Catfighting it’s the reverse Catfighting rides on Sex fighting.  So it’s just easier to market and make a profit and have access to more willing models. 

Plus the Catfighting community is very very nit picky.  I’m not innocent here, but that’s kinda not great especially given how limited the audience is I’m sure the models hate it more because it probably feels more personal than say a mass market porn actress.

Issue is right now also you kinda gotta know where to look.  There’s an elephant in the room and we all can’t ignore when it comes to piracy.  It’s why some models now only do direct sales so they can track where the leaks come from.

Now let’s address content—hot take if you like crystal you should like So Cal.  It’s quite literally the same thing when it comes to raw fighting.  Mary, Michelle, and Theresa all do the same thing that So Cal did.  They all swing to KO. 

If you’re looking more ECNWC with some rules well Slapcity, GNB, SF, Mexican Catfights (although I think they’re now done), and a few others too. 

Plus don’t forget the European studios also have some catfighting similar in the vein of dww but it’s clearly more wrestling focused.  Like fighting dolls got Luna to come back, Ines is still there. 


I think we have access to more content than we ever did.  I remember having to scoured yahoo groups looking at 40 sec vids trying to guess the studio.  Like for example in the late 70s and early 80s there was what maybe a handful of studios that did carfighting for real?  You had festelle, who was also more wrestling focused?  The American scene I don’t think had anyone solely on it until much later after the oil/mud wrestling scene here.

I think producers, who aren’t grifters, do share the same sentiment with you.  They love the grit the intent on winning, the raunchy, the intensity, but also don’t forget ECNWC also was a split studio of catfighting/wrestling.

I think the only thing that really sucks is that we lost access to phat pharahs collection to buy. I’d also add in MCM but they were scripted.

So ya it’s a whole hodge podge of stuff we’re headed into a lull but someone will do something and a new studio will pop up,  probably wouldn’t be surprised to more individual sales. 

Felt like for a hot minute maybe 2-4 years ago we were gonna get US-Mexico Catfight but it seems stalled now.  Plus Santana/Amber retired, Vi is still great, but Santana was UD there and she looked to have one of the meanest belly punches of all

The other thing too is we’re gonna see more and more MMA styled fights in terms of trained models goes too. So it’s always changing.

I agree with some of what was said here.
I think the fans kinda lost track of the plot and expected Waaaaay to much out of these women. I'd throw producers in there too for pushing for more intense fights but I'd argue they're just trying to please their rabid fanbase.

We lost sight of the plot when we decided just seeing scripted (but well worked/produced) catfights wasn't enough but everything had to be a REAL face slapping, chunks of hair missing brawl between models that are 10s on the looks scale. Thinking that scenario was sustainable for a long period of time was crazy and I'm amazed that bubble didn't burst sooner. It set the bar too high and spoiled fans of real catfights.
   At this point I fully hold the fans responsible if the catfight bubble completely burst. when what was once a fetish community that simply liked seeing hot women fighting scenarios (because let's face it we are ALL really here because of scripted fights seen on TV and in the movies) became greedy and what was once a desire to see innocent fun but sexy girl fights turned into a "we want blood" situation. Again if that's your thing fine but when it became that or nothing it turned off the women willing to do it just to fulfill a fantasy and get good easy money. People say "well what about Crystal films etc."  no offense but look at the difference between those women and the Suitfights, Catzreview, Phatpharrah girls.  MOST of those described in the latter weren't planning on making a career out of real catfights just look at the extremely high turnaround. It's barely any over the last 10+ years that have had more than 3 real catfights. Most who don't mind getting a little messy move to scripted or semi-competitive wrestling because it's less physical but the problem is we the audience don't think that's good enough anymore.
    Again almost all of us are here because of tv or movie catfights. Then we graduated to California wildcats, Joanwise, early Napali and Crystal films scripted catfights. When and why did what was perfectly acceptable since the freaking 50's till the mid 2000's suddenly become not good enough?! If catfights do infact die I feel us loosing site of the ball greatly contributed to it's death. Jaded fans and tribalism hurt the business. People proudly and loudly blew gaskets when Suitfights started doing Oil wrestling. When the f**k did 2 hot women wrestling in oil become offensive to FEMALE WRESTLING FANS!? That's where we're at now? I swear Idon'teven recognizethis site anymore

[Soulsville]

Where is the modern day version of TPC with bouts /brawls between Lena & Ayeshia and a few others ?
Sadly gone for good I feel but there is a little light in the darkness with Mr Rain that's for sure.

[TennMuskie]

I can’t believe that no one has noted that the availability of content on regular TV from WWE to MMA to “real fights” on social media, has changed availability and need for product!

[sinclairfan]

I can’t believe that no one has noted that the availability of content on regular TV from WWE to MMA to “real fights” on social media, has changed availability and need for product!

I agree, especially since WMMA contenders are chosen at least partially based on attractiveness.

[jaybee]

I can’t believe that no one has noted that the availability of content on regular TV from WWE to MMA to “real fights” on social media, has changed availability and need for product!

I'm confused. Are you saying there's less womens wrestling content? Because I don't watch MMA but wrestling wise it's EVERYWHERE. WWE NXT is practically a women's wrestling show at this point because they draw big numbers. I'd argue they have the best women's division in wrestling especially in the looks department

[TennMuskie]

I’m saying less need for content /providers from past as entities like WWE Women’s and other have made content readily available!