Is it just me?

[jaymcmillian]

I love this site and have used it seemingly forever as a source for Producer announcements and Web Sites & Sources.  However,  over the last year  it seems like the amount of postings in both of those sections has dropped off somewhat.   Are Producers and Websites posting somewhere else these days?  This site has really been my only go to site to learn about new companies and to read all the great comments and threads.

My bigger fear is that the industry is starting to fall out of favor with with so many companies moving away from running their own websites and going over to Clips4sale,  who seems to be closing down or limiting female fighting stores.   Almost seems like this fetish is under attack.  I can't quite wrap my head around where this fetish seems to be considered something worse than straight up porn.  In terms of fetishes, female wrestling seems pretty tame in compared to what else is out there.

Curious about everyone's thoughts on this.

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

    There are for sure far fewer active members on this site and most who do still come to the site are not like the old school catfight video fans on the 80's-90's and early 2000's. When I try and chat with fans about Catfight videos 90% have no idea what I'm talking about as they don't watch videos.
   Back 15 years ago people would post top 10 lists of the best Catfight videos of the year, now you're lucky if can list a top 3 videos of the year as so few videos are released today  
    The first big hit to video producers was free sites like Porn Hub that pushed many of the old producers out of business with most fans wanting free videos over paying for new ones.  Next was the move by many new fans into cyber matches and them not being interested in real matches on video. Another big hit was LA the heart of Catfight producers and models is now dead with only Robin doing 1 or 2 videos a year.
   It's not just America that has seem this take place, Germany was a hot bed of Catfight videos but now is also Dead!  You would see over 50 videos a year coming out of Czech Rep but today we see far less with DWW gone for new videos, FoxyCombat very quiet and Fighting-dolls doing far less videos.

[wizard]

  You would see over 50 videos a year coming out of Czech Rep but today we see far less with DWW gone for new videos, FoxyCombat very quiet and Fighting-dolls doing far less videos.

Interesting read.
You forget that DWW (based in Vienna) was taken over by Fighting Dolls (based in Brno) in a hostile move. GR kept on selling his DWW catalog after the event, before on-selling his entire collection. What I've been told (and I stand corrected) that the group that took over and formed FD, have themselves been taken over by new owners - one of them is Mel (long-time DWW and FD girl).

wizard

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

  You would see over 50 videos a year coming out of Czech Rep but today we see far less with DWW gone for new videos, FoxyCombat very quiet and Fighting-dolls doing far less videos.

Interesting read.
You forget that DWW (based in Vienna) was taken over by Fighting Dolls (based in Brno) in a hostile move. GR kept on selling his DWW catalog after the event, before on-selling his entire collection. What I've been told (and I stand corrected) that the group that took over and formed FD, have themselves been taken over by new owners - one of them is Mel (long-time DWW and FD girl).

wizard

  I've been to both DWW and Fighting-dolls live events, they are not the same company. GR has nothing to do with FD. FD was started by one of the guys that would train the DWW girls in Wrestling and one of the old fighters, forget her name.  Would say FD is a off shoot of DWW but not started by DWW.

[wizard]

I've been to both DWW and Fighting-dolls live events, they are not the same company. GR has nothing to do with FD. FD was started by one of the guys that would train the DWW girls in Wrestling and one of the old fighters, forget her name.  Would say FD is a off shoot of DWW but not started by DWW.

Nice to know ...So have I ... 
Quite right that they weren't the same company - it was a hostile take-over. It was Marek, Cathy and Tiffany that set up FD after the break from DWW in 2012/13 in Brno.

I'm wondering if it was Mel's new management of FD, that the new breast and pussy attacks was encouraged? She certainly doesn't hold back, herself!

wizard

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

I've been to both DWW and Fighting-dolls live events, they are not the same company. GR has nothing to do with FD. FD was started by one of the guys that would train the DWW girls in Wrestling and one of the old fighters, forget her name.  Would say FD is a off shoot of DWW but not started by DWW.

Nice to know ...So have I ... 
Quite right that they weren't the same company - it was a hostile take-over. It was Marek, Cathy and Tiffany that set up FD after the break from DWW in 2012/13 in Brno.

I'm wondering if it was Mel's new management of FD, that the new breast and pussy attacks was encouraged? She certainly doesn't hold back, herself!

wizard

  Not sure what you mean by take over?  GR stopped shooting matches because he hated pirates and was fighting them for years but gave up with the takeoff of sites like Porn-hub, he offered his whole video collection for a price to anyone b4 closing DWW.com.
   FD had little to do with the downfall of DWW, I'm sure GR was pissed with FoxyCombat and FD but was more upset with everyone getting his videos for free. 

[wizard]

Not sure what you mean by take over?  GR stopped shooting matches because he hated pirates and was fighting them for years but gave up with the takeoff of sites like Porn-hub, he offered his whole video collection for a price to anyone b4 closing DWW.com.
   FD had little to do with the downfall of DWW,  I'm sure GR was pissed with FoxyCombat and FD but was more upset with everyone getting his videos for free.

The Czech girls wanted more control and better remuneration - trust me, GR used the line that it was piracy that forced him to stop, but in reality he didn't have any product anymore. The girls and the venue in Brno had been taken away by the new company (FD). Yes, he kept all the DWW collection and eventually sold it.
Funny how the former husband and wife ran opposing Brno operations! 

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

Not sure what you mean by take over?  GR stopped shooting matches because he hated pirates and was fighting them for years but gave up with the takeoff of sites like Porn-hub, he offered his whole video collection for a price to anyone b4 closing DWW.com.
   FD had little to do with the downfall of DWW,  I'm sure GR was pissed with FoxyCombat and FD but was more upset with everyone getting his videos for free.

The Czech girls wanted more control and better remuneration - trust me, GR used the line that it was piracy that forced him to stop, but in reality he didn't have any product anymore. The girls and the venue in Brno had been taken away by the new company (FD). Yes, he kept all the DWW collection and eventually sold it.
Funny how the former husband and wife ran opposing Brno operations! 

  DWW never lost the Budapest girls and FD only had a hand full of Czech DWW girls to start. DWW still did live event even with FD up and running so they still had product even with both FD and FoxyCombat up and running with some of the DWW fighters.

[wizard]

DWW still did live event even with FD up and running so they still had product even with both FD and FoxyCombat up and running with some of the DWW fighters.

A few questions for you ...

Where did these DWW live events (with Hungarian girls) take place after 2011?
What years did these DWW events occur while FD and FC were active ?
What Hungarian girls were active at DWW in 2012?

I attended the first  FD live event in Brno (after the hostile take-over) in 2012. 
Day 1 March 2012

wizard

[locked]

I'm interested in hearing more about this 'hostile take over' of DWW.

I go way back with this female wrestling interest. fetish or whatever you want to call it.  I never heard of a 'take over' when DWW threw in the towel as I  always heard he couldn't put up with all his hard work of producing the DWW stuff being stolen by internet thieves ... and the same for Marty , the guy behind Calif. Wild Cats. I remember hearing how both would always lose when the pirates were take to court for stealing material. 

I thought when I saw Fighting Doll and Trib Dolls appear it was someone who just continued where DWW and Trib Girls left off with  a lot of the same girls, some live events, etc.  Didn't know there was anything malicious going on behind the scenes other than material being stolen from the internet 

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

I'm interested in hearing more about this 'hostile take over' of DWW.

I go way back with this female wrestling interest. fetish or whatever you want to call it.  I never heard of a 'take over' when DWW threw in the towel as I  always heard he couldn't put up with all his hard work of producing the DWW stuff being stolen by internet thieves ... and the same for Marty , the guy behind Calif. Wild Cats. I remember hearing how both would always lose when the pirates were take to court for stealing material. 

I thought when I saw Fighting Doll and Trib Dolls appear it was someone who just continued where DWW and Trib Girls left off with  a lot of the same girls, some live events, etc.  Didn't know there was anything malicious going on behind the scenes other than material being stolen from the internet 

  I think he is talking about Fighting-Dolls and FoxyCombat having DWW Czech connections and stealing some of the fighters b4 DWW stopped shooting. But no one company took over all the fighters so for me can't say it was a take over.

[wizard]

Having spoken to Cathy in 2012, I can assure you it was "hostile" ... lots of grievances about the "old company" including low pay, and the "cut" they were receiving from DWW - having provided the venue, the girls and no royalties from the videos. Someone must have translated "intellectual property" in Czech, too! 
wizard

   Day 2 March 2012

[jaybee]

Having spoken to Cathy in 2012, I can assure you it was "hostile" ... lots of grievances about the "old company" including low pay, and the "cut" they were receiving from DWW - having provided the venue, the girls and no royalties from the videos. Someone must have translated "intellectual property" in Czech, too! 
wizard

   Day 2 March 2012

I always wondered did the girls who participate in these types of filmed events get paid royalties. I'd suspect that has to be a nightmare to keep up with. I just assumed they got one reasonable flat fee.

Also I wish C4S treated the creators better financially. C4S is (or would be) the best place to distribute your content. It's fallen off user wise since the INSANE age verification stuff and the uneven content policing (the banning of the word catfight  ) but it's still the most user-friendly site. I HATE LoyalFans (I can't even use it for some reason) and with the exception of Rockin-Roxanne, and Fighting Dolls sites that use tokens just don't seem user-friendly at all to the point they're off putting so I stopped using them.

[locked]

Some of you  guys seem to know what happened  behind the scenes with DWW / FD etc. over the years.

There seems to be something going on now at FD/TD  .... any idea on what ? 

You can't ask anything there as any post or question  that they don't like gets immediately deleted and you get threatened to be banned from the site.

Many of the favorite girls have left .... a lot of them ... their releases have been cut back and the often irritable men who run the place are even more so these days.

Any ideas ?                                   

[wizard]

There seems to be something going on now at FD/TD  .... any idea on what ? 

Sorry can't help you on recent developments. Very sad if they're on the way out the door ... we don't need another company leaving the building!

wizard

[wizard]