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Submission vs Knockout

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Offline jessicasinger

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Submission vs Knockout
« on: August 29, 2011, 01:32:30 AM »
So my friends and I have been arguing something, let's see what you guys think about this.  It's been a long and tiring fight (irl).  You've finally got this girl in your favorite hold, and it's deep.  You can feel her struggling but there's no way she's getting out.  You're getting that rush that you get when you know the other girl is helpless and you're really enjoying the feeling.  But the rules of the match say if she submits, you have to let her go immediately.  Is it more satisfying to feel her tap and have to admit she's beaten or to knock her out? 


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Offline harpua13

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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2011, 12:13:21 AM »
I agree, I think the added humiliation possibilities of making the loser admit the other girl is better is hotter.

and then of course, I like it when she knocks the loser out anyway.  :D
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Offline wrestleu2000

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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2011, 12:34:17 AM »
Jessica,
what if your on the losing end?  would you tap or take the knockout?

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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 03:43:24 AM »
Just to clarify, we ARE talking about irl here, so no harpua, both is not an option :)  And pete, we're very careful, submissions are instantly acknowledged and knockouts are done with a ref present. 

Tough question wrestleu.  When I'm winning, it's hard to say but I think I prefer to force her to submit.  But if I'm losing, I'd probably rather submit too.  Getting knocked out basically means you lost AND she did whatever she wanted to you.  I just happen to love the feeling of a girl giving up and her face when she finally taps out

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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2011, 04:14:08 AM »
i bet that does not happen to you often
to my regrets i have had to give up real fights because of injury

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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2011, 05:27:21 AM »
I know jessica.
IRL it's no question, a knockout is something that would likely require medical attention, and that just complicates things too much.
but I work strictly in the world of fantasy, so I'm just sayin.  :D
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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2011, 12:20:35 PM »
I've talked to my ex girlfriend, who used to fight, about this subject quite a bit.

For her, despite badly losing the only two fights she had participated in, she always tried going for the knockout.

She's always said she would prefer a knockout victory over a surrender because it shows you're complete absolutely domination of your opponent. When you knock them out they literally can't do anything to stop you anymore. It's certain that you've won. There can never been any questions about how the fight was called, mistakenly tapping out, ect. Even when it's clear a person wants out she said she just gets more turned on knowing she actually knocked out her opponent and delivering that "final" blow. She said obviously, she wasn't a monster and she wouldn't knock someone out against their will if they surrendered first

I think she felt even stronger about wanting and desiring the knockout after she lost her fight fight badly, which ended in her being knocked out. She described it as the worst embarrassment she's ever felt and she wanted her future opponents to experience it. Knowing that she was unconscious and not able to stop the other girl from doing what she wanted to her was a very unsettling feeling. She didn't know if the girl had humiliated her further, mocking her unconscious body, she had no idea what the girl said to me or did with me while she was out, ect. She said she just can't stand the helpless feeling you get after you've been knocked out. After all, you don't even gave the option to beg or plead with your opponent not to do something to you if your not even conscious.

I'd be inclined to agree with my ex-girlfriend that being knocked out is the worst and most humiliating way to go out, especially if there is someone there watching the fight. I think my girlfriend would agree that part of the reason she was so embarrassed was because she was destroyed in front of me. Sure you'll feel embarrassed after any loss, but just knowing that your significant other seen you at your lowest can be an incredibly difficult thing to shake mentally. When you see someone unconscious and out cold you KNOW they were defeated by a superior opponent, and it's very difficult to rationalize that the person your looking at ever had a chance at all in the fight.

It's a very defeating experience for the loser, which in turn can often make the win more gratifying for the winner. I know this personally as I have been knocked out in front of my ex-girlfriend, the same girl I mentioned fought for me. I tried to help her cope with her losses by offering to fight another guy for her entertainment in order to kinda level the playing field so to speak. I'd never let my girlfriend do something for me that I wouldn't do. Unfortunately, I was beaten badly and knocked out shortly into the fight.

Let me tell you, waking back up, knowing that you've lost badly, in front of your significant other, is just a devastating experience and absolutely crushing on your ego.

Despite all that, my ex-girlfriend said she would still rather be knocked out than surrender because she feels that she must do everything in her power to win the fight while conscious, which is the way I feel as well.

Just curious Jessica, have you ever lost a fight by knockout? I'm just wondering if you have the same feelings my ex had being getting knocked out.

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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 03:10:01 PM »
Just to clarify, we ARE talking about irl here, so no harpua, both is not an option :)  And pete, we're very careful, submissions are instantly acknowledged and knockouts are done with a ref present. 

Tough question wrestleu.  When I'm winning, it's hard to say but I think I prefer to force her to submit.  But if I'm losing, I'd probably rather submit too.  Getting knocked out basically means you lost AND she did whatever she wanted to you.  I just happen to love the feeling of a girl giving up and her face when she finally taps out

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So you're saying that you have a ref present for safety concerns, but once someone is unconscious the winner has her way with her? Not sure I believe this is happening irl.
Besides, wouldn't it be worse to be conscious for the humiliation than to have no memory of it?
Please give us some more details of your victories or losses.

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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2011, 05:28:35 PM »
So you're saying that you have a ref present for safety concerns, but once someone is unconscious the winner has her way with her? Not sure I believe this is happening irl.
Besides, wouldn't it be worse to be conscious for the humiliation than to have no memory of it?
Please give us some more details of your victories or losses.

No no you misunderstand.  A knockout is the end of a fight, instantly.  It's more UFC than WWE, if someone's not responding, the other fighter gets pulled away.  So far no one's gotten hurt more than the regular bumps and bruises.  I guess it's not even technically a "knockout" since a couple times the fight's been stopped and someone's just extremely woozy.  Does that clear anything up?  We're not killing each other...

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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2011, 06:46:37 PM »
Just to clarify, we ARE talking about irl here, so no harpua, both is not an option :)  And pete, we're very careful, submissions are instantly acknowledged and knockouts are done with a ref present.  

Tough question wrestleu.  When I'm winning, it's hard to say but I think I prefer to force her to submit.  But if I'm losing, I'd probably rather submit too.  Getting knocked out basically means you lost AND she did whatever she wanted to you.  I just happen to love the feeling of a girl giving up and her face when she finally taps out

Anklebiter...you're funny

So you're saying that you have a ref present for safety concerns, but once someone is unconscious the winner has her way with her? Not sure I believe this is happening irl.
Besides, wouldn't it be worse to be conscious for the humiliation than to have no memory of it?
Please give us some more details of your victories or losses.

Pretty sure she's just meant that it's an uncomfortable feeling, not knowing what's happened to you after you've been knocked out. It's not necessarily that something did actually happen.

Jess tell us more about your personal fights though! What's the most fun way you've won? Surrender or knockout, and what's the worst way you've lost?
« Last Edit: August 30, 2011, 06:49:32 PM by Ronnie123 »

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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2011, 03:29:23 PM »
Knocking someone out is the best way to win and the worst way to lose it means total domination or total humiliate
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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2011, 03:47:23 PM »
I think it would be more embarassing to submit, admitting you've lost than trying to hang on and getting ko'ed.
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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2011, 10:56:32 PM »
Submission victory is far more satisfying because it is an admission of defeat and actually takes skill. A lucky submission is rare. A lucky KO is much more common, since all it takes is one lucky punch to the right place. There is a reason why fighters getting their ass kicked are often told to try to get a KO..
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Re: Submission vs Knockout
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2011, 10:14:55 AM »
I love to see the loser being humiliated and think that losing by a submission would be more humiliating then being KO'd.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2011, 10:25:18 AM »
Submission victory is far more satisfying because it is an admission of defeat and actually takes skill. A lucky submission is rare. A lucky KO is much more common, since all it takes is one lucky punch to the right place. There is a reason why fighters getting their ass kicked are often told to try to get a KO..

I Agree with Meg on this, I hate using KO's in my fights.