[vitamix74]

I am interested in f/f matches where the loser suffers a predetermined penalty at the hands of the winner after the end of the contest.  The penalty can really be anything that involves the sexual domination, suffering, or humiliation of the loser, where the supremacy of the winner is clearly established.  Examples could include a specified period of spanking, facesitting, breast/nipple pinching, or tickling, or even something as mild as being made to strip.  The point is not the physical intensity of the punishment, but the loser's subjective aversion to suffering it.    

Indeed, I find facesitting to be more believable when carried out after a match, as a punishment, as opposed to during the match.  Usually when it happens during the match, it seems like the victim could escape if she really wanted to do so.  Whereas when it happens after the match, the loser may be disgusted but has to passively accept her fate, unless she welches on the match's stipulation.  

Having a penalty at the end of the match, especially one the loser genuinely dreads or wishes to avoid, adds dynamic tension to the contest.  The party that is losing cannot give up or reduce her effort without cost, because giving up entails undergoing the post-match penalty.  A penalty that is a little "nasty" (as long as it is agreed upon and consensual) may up the ante of the match and enhance the rivalry between the opponents.  It is as if each is saying to the other that she wishes not only to defeat her in combat but also make her suffer something degrading or otherwise icky.  I would imagine that the result would be enhanced animosity between the opponents, maybe more emotionally-laden combat, and a more total defeat for the loser. The loser not only has to accept defeat in a wrestling match, but also must accept that she is being punished, in a way that is unsettling, for being the weaker combatant.  The post-match penalty symbolizes the loser's inferiority and adds to the intensity of the defeat.

I was wondering if anyone had good examples of wrestling stories or videos involving post-match penalties.  I know about Ultimate Surrender, but I do not find it to be terribly convincing, because the "penalty" is nearly identical after each match and because the losers sometimes appear to be enjoying their "punishment." I think Ultimate Surrender would be better if the winner of each match chose a unique penalty for the loser that she would genuinely dislike and wish to avoid.

Thanks.

[vitamix74]

Regarding the penalty, a fine balance needs to be achieved.  On the one hand, it needs to be something the combatant does not want to undergo.  On the other hand, since we are dealing with a consensual situation, it has to be something that does not violate her hard limits, that she is willing to risk experiencing in the event she loses.  If each combatant has a chance of winning, then each gets a benefit from agreeing to a "nasty" penalty, namely that she has a chance of administering it and gloating triumphantly over her opponent's defeat. 

Just like the intensity of the wrestling might be heightened by the risk of a post-match punishment, I would imagine that the intensity of the penalty would be raised because it follows the struggle of a wrestling match.  Imagine if a combatant wins the right to pinch and twist her opponent's breasts and nipples for ten minutes after defeating her in wrestling.  The very fact that they just wrestled each other and tried to defeat and subjugate each other might cause the penalty to be administered with special gusto.  Emotions and adrenaline are likely to be peaked as a result of the preceding struggle, and the winner might release those feelings by delivering the loser's punishment in an especially aggressive or savage fashion.  Likewise, the loser's submission to the penalty would be an opportunity to experience and release emotions related to being the lesser combatant.  Perhaps the loser starts bawling in tears, and perhaps the winner exercises mercy, but this is all the more humiliating for the loser because it shows that not only is she the lesser fighter, but she can't even take the punishment she earned as a result of losing.

Has anyone had experience with or witnessed this type of match? Does it usually work out in the manner I have described?

[bend5]

...Both fighters have to agree on it before they start so it's very clear what the loser must endure after losing...

...What they should agree on is what the winner is allowed to do to to the loser & how long she'll have also...

...In a boxing or punching or titfight ring match-the loser gets tied or hung in the corner  or against the ropes while the winner punches her tits out of her bikini top or bra then keeps punishing & pounding on her big tits until the agreed upon time ends...   

[vitamix74]

That sounds more like fantasy than reality.  As far as I know, in real combat, just a few punches, without defense, could do major and lasting damage to someone's body.  Allowing an unlimited amount of "free shots" in a time period, unless the aggressor was motivated to show GREAT restraint, would be downright dangerous.

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

   You would love the match Jet vs Antscha... winner facesits loser into tears. Canget the match at Monica's site and was filmed in 2008

[vitamix74]

Thank you.  Can you provide me with a link to a video of that match? Also, was the facesitting for the loser agreed upon before the match, or did it just happen as an expression of the winner's dominance?

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

Was agreed before the match, that winner would facesit loser as long as wanted. You can search google with monica london wrestling and can find the site. She has great live event a few times a year.

[vitamix74]

On that site I see Jet vs. Mutiny, but not the match between Jet and Antscha to which you are referring. 

[LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

Jet vs antscha is on the clip store site. Keep looking

[vitamix74]

I found the clip.  Looks like fun.  Does the final facesitting take place clothed or nude?

[caryn1]

as long as parties settle on the rules limits and safe words there is nothing wrong with them.  i just wish i would have learned this some time ago.  some of the best nights i have had have been with penalties both getting and giving.

[vitamix74]

Caryn--Can you give me some examples of the best penalties you have experienced?
--CT

[plzdaim]

Hello,
I would think that a post match penalty shouldnt involve more pain.  Taking pain in a match to gain victory is enough.
Pain is temporary but a hurt pride is something different. I would think that a very sexy forfeit would be that you have to kiss
each of your victors breasts and complement her on the beauty of them.
plz

[vitamix74]

Pain can be an instrument by which pride is wounded.  For example, a spanking is painful but the pain feeds into humiliation, of being in such a vulnerable position and treated like a naughty child.