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Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches

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Offline samdopo

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Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« on: January 09, 2013, 01:44:37 AM »
I’ve been a fan of female vs. female wrestling and catfighting for quite a long time and I’ve purchased my share of videos from many producers. I thought I’d post about what I think makes some matches more competitive than others. I’m only referring to unscripted matches here.

I think the overall theme is that the girls need to have some emotional investment in winning. For example, the matches I’ve seen that are most competitive tend to be found in:

1.   International matches (emotional investment in representing each other’s countries) – DWW battles come to mind as does the new one from lesfemmesfatales with Ingrid and Nicole.
2.   Fighting in front of friends, husbands, boyfriends, etc. (emotional investment in performing in front of people you care about) – For example, Live matches seem to be a bit more intense.
3.   Personal grudge (emotional investment in avenging a grudge or continued dominance over the other) – For example, one girl beats another then the sister of the beaten girls wants to exact revenge.

These are a few of the things. Does anyone else feel the same or have others to add?

How about some good, emotional, competitive matches that you’ve seen? I remember when Tina from Sweden fought DWW girls it always seemed intense. ECNWC fights are typically in front of husbands/boyfriend and sometimes other women.

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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 04:32:49 AM »
   You can Add #3 to the Ingrid Vs Nicole match.
  The way Nicole fought in her match with Sharon is the reason for Ingrid's Grudge with Nicole. She called Nicole out for a Breast grab in the middle of the match, after seeing her doing it a few times, Nicole also used a hair pull to get Sharon into her first Submission, a kick to the face and knee to the Crotch didn't help the bad feelings.
  Sharon hit Nicole with a elbow to the eye, Nicole was going for her back for a takedown, Sharon did a spin out move and Nicole did not move out of the way and got hit in the face.
   If Ingrid and Nicole ever meet in a Re-match, would be one hell of a fight. Will be hard to get them to agree on rules. Ingrid wants a Catfight, Nicole a BJJ only match. Maybe a Boxing or Kickboxing match  Smiley
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 07:02:03 AM »
One of my favorites, is the match between Helena[Scandinavian beauty] with blonde hair..and Sofia, a black haired beauty.

I always wondered why there was bad blonde between them, it wasn't built up as a grudge match, but I got the impression that was what it was..lol

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Offline LQQKING4CATFIGHTER

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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 08:55:14 PM »
I agree with the DWW comments and the fact that they seem to fight harder when they
are in front of a crowd, etc...

My favorite videos for pure emotional intensity are:

Crystal Films - Any of the catfights on the Magazine videos as well as the Hellfire Fights,
which I was lucky enough to attend live back in the day.

ECNWC - all of them but I especially like the really old ones that look to have been shot in
an auditorium on mats, just regular houewives going at it, great stuff.

Ladyhawke videos - great competitive wrestling with non-model types

Washington Womens - same as ladyhawke with good hard wrestling

  Spoke to Antscha the great Hungarian Wrestler, she told me how much she loved to beat and hated to lose to the Czech girls at DWW. In some matches you can hear yelling from the side of that mat in Czech and Hungarian.
   Out side of DWW, she enjoys beating Asian fighters.
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 06:52:47 AM »



I know Antscha and Karine, didn't get along. I heard a few years ago Antscha lost a private nude tag match with Nadege as Xana's partner and Viktoria as Antscha
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 07:43:03 AM »
championship matches/stories/rps always seem to carry this kind of passion, i find
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 07:50:14 AM »



I know Antscha and Karine, didn't get along. I heard a few years ago Antscha lost a private nude tag match with Nadege as Xana's partner and Viktoria as Antscha

  Yes, Antscha throw a few slaps at Karine in their Wrestling match at the Summer Event.  The Nadege match was at her first Live event and her skills were limited. They had a Re-match years later and was a great close match.
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 08:08:02 AM »



I know Antscha and Karine, didn't get along. I heard a few years ago Antscha lost a private nude tag match with Nadege as Xana's partner and Viktoria as Antscha

 Was it in a basement setting the Tag match?  Nadege fought Antscha one on one in oil in a Priv basement match very early.
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2013, 07:53:24 PM »


Darrly, only mentioned the tag match-not sure about the priv basement match...


 Xana has beaten Antscha three times now in a year, twice in one-on-one competition and once in a private nude tag match with Nadege as Xana's partner and Viktoria as Antscha's  There's a little bit of needle now between those girls. Antscha doesn't like losing to lesbians, especially nude.[ that was in 2005]


Sadly, Darrly, an online friend of mine, from England and I have drifted our seperate ways.



They may have had a rematch, haven't spoken too Darrly in a few years..lol
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2013, 02:11:02 AM »


Darrly, only mentioned the tag match-not sure about the priv basement match...


 Xana has beaten Antscha three times now in a year, twice in one-on-one competition and once in a private nude tag match with Nadege as Xana's partner and Viktoria as Antscha's  There's a little bit of needle now between those girls. Antscha doesn't like losing to lesbians, especially nude.[ that was in 2005]


Sadly, Darrly, an online friend of mine, from England and I have drifted our seperate ways.



They may have had a rematch, haven't spoken too Darrly in a few years..lol

  Antscha had the edge in the Early matches with Xana, but in last few matches Xana has had the edge, she got some BJJ training that gave her the edge, she also got really muscular for a time, she is back to normal build now, she was looking like a FBB for a little while.
   Antscha has now trained BJJ for a few years and Xana is back to normal size, so a Re-match today would be a really good and close match.
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 07:11:16 AM »
Interesting Karine, didn't start hating Antscha until after she lost too her back in 2005..lol
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2013, 04:27:10 AM »
Irish vs Blair, by Eastcoastcats, is a real grudge match that made a big impression on me when I watched it late last year.
Irish is one of the most experienced ECC ladies, Blair was a newcomer who had specifically asked for Irish as the opponent in her first fight.

Obviously, by calling Irish out like that Blair put pressure on both of them. You really would not want to chose your own opponent, boast in a pre-match interview that you had been watching her fight and could beat her easily, and then lose.
And how galling and irritating it must have been for Irish, with ten tough fights under her belt, to be singled out as an easy touch by a complete novice.

Irish is a big favourite of mine. I've watched all her fights many times and I could see how tense she was before this one even began. All she said in her pre-match interview was “She looks tough.” and “I'm ready.” and there was none of the sexy hip thrusting and hair tossing that you usually see from her during the warm ups.

I think she knew she was in for a rough ride, and that was exactly what she got. Blair was bigger, stronger, and, despite several warnings from the producer, broke the rules repeatedly. Irish complained bitterly about “cheap shots” and being clawed by Blair at close quarters, something I've never heard her do in any of her previous fights, some of which were very rough indeed.

According to the producer, the cameraman for this match said it reminded him of a real fight he once saw between a jealous girl and a pretty cheerleader over a boyfriend, and I could see exactly what he meant by that. Blair really did seem to hate Irish personally, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the old “green-eyed monster” was involved there somewhere. Irish is a very pretty and charismatic lady, and I'm sure the much plainer Blair was well aware of that.

The climax to this fight is probably the most dramatic and, for the loser, traumatic that I have ever seen.
Irish gets very emotional when she fights, sometimes to the verge of tears. Either Blair picked up on that or had seen one of Irish's previous matches in which she did cry. At any rate, she derides Irish as a crybaby throughout the fight, telling her repeatedly that she is going to end up in tears before it's over, and gets an angry and defiant response each time she does so.

Given a situation like that, for either one of those women to end up crying in front of the other would be almost unbearable, but that's what happened, and I'm sure that anyone who has seen this very bitter and emotional battle will understand why.

As it draws to a close, both have scored submissions and are looking tired. When the producer calls out, “Thirty seconds to go.” they suddenly spring into life and tear into each other like wildcats. Then one lashes out and catches the other with a very hard slap flush on the ear that leaves her dazed, distressed, and with no alternative but submission to an opponent who, at that moment, she probably hated as much as anybody she ever met in her life.
                            
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2013, 05:03:03 AM »
Interesting Karine, didn't start hating Antscha until after she lost too her back in 2005..lol

 Loved how Antscha gave her a few slaps to the face when going for the neck grab for head lock take down. You could her the smack on video and Antscha did not even stop coming forward, Karine didn't know what to do.
  Antscha loves when she is able to bully a girl into losing the match.
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2013, 05:48:40 AM »



Perhaps, Irish reminds Blair, of a girl, she hates, and can't get her hands on...so in a way Irish is a surrogate that could be her motivation behind calling Irish out
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Re: Emotional Investment and Competitive Matches
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2013, 10:17:57 PM »
Irish against Blair was a very angry fight and the trash talk was something else. Irish got Blair with an armbar and it looked like it turned her on when Blair gave up. I love to see that in a catfight but it just made Blair even more angry. I would not want to get on the wrong side of her and I'm a lot bigger than Irish.
The one that lost was in pieces at the end. You could see how hurt she was when that smack on the ear went in and she was trying not to cry after she gave up but couldn't hold it back. I think that hurt her as much as the smack, to be honest.
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