[East Coast Cats]

For over a year there has been a hate campaign coming from a guy who is a videographer for ECNWC. His main name is Stephen (some may know him as Grassland). I've known Bob of ECNWC for years and doubt seriously if he would condone Stephen's smear campaign. Finally, this morning I wrote Bob about it asking him to tell this guy to stop the dirt. I pointed out that Stephen is an agent of ECNWC, and therefore I thought he should know about the extent of Stephen's obsession.  I will wait to see if Bob responds.

Since I was brought up on this thread...

First, Nominal lives in the Southwest. I live in the Mid-Atlantic. I met him at a shoot when his girlfriend at the time fought for Bob.

Anyone here can call Bob to verify these, but be warned, he might hang up the phone. When I first started help Bob, he told me that if I ever spoke with John he would never speak to me again. Needless to say, I don't bring up ECC with Bob. He told me he dislikes John so much that he won't even sell John a DVD, much less give him one. There is a real dislike between the two. I don't know why ECC tries to gloss that over. Call Bob and ask him. Feel free. His number is on his website. He will also back up that my GF, or wife, never worked for him.

Bob is also a friend of mine and he considers me a friend. Bob loses thousands of dollars a year doing this, but it is his love and his passion. It bothers me when people discredit what he tries to do. Not everyone may like his product, which is natural, but trying to paint it in a certain way is wrong.

These are all facts, not smears.

And I would have never brought up anything on an ECC thread if ECC did not bring my name up.

I like Bob and I like his videos, to say otherwise is a lie. If Bob said don't bring up my name it's  similar to when he told me not to mention Jenn after she left him. I won't elaborate but maybe Bob could fill Stephen in on that. I have invited Bob to two of my shoots, he attended one and said he would again after I moved north and started filming here. . He invited me to two of his shoots, and I attended one. I have introduced Bob to two ladies so they could shoot with him, and one did. Bob and I have traded tewo or three videos, but that was awhile ago. Stephen does his best to say in many ways I don't like Bob, but that is simply a lie. Grassland/Stephen actually is incapable of telling the truth about me. I'm sure he has tried to discredit me with Bob, it's simply how Stephen operates. The reason Stephen hates me is because virtually every lady he filmed in his failed video company left him to work with ECC. Only about one half of them have been seen so far in ECC videos, but there are others who have filmed and their matches will be seen too. They left Stephen simply cause they wanted to. I won't get deep in the dirt as Stephen does with his lies, but there are other reasons they left his company for mine. In the beginning I liked Stephen. He called me perhaps 150 times asking for advice in starting his company. I put in a good word for him with my distributor to get him started and that distributor was his first. I believe Stephen left after one video. I told the distributor I thought he was a nice guy.

[pinner45]

Ditto for this thread. "It is an ill wind that blows nobody good."

[GrasslandProductions]

For over a year there has been a hate campaign coming from a guy who is a videographer for ECNWC. His main name is Stephen (some may know him as Grassland). I've known Bob of ECNWC for years and doubt seriously if he would condone Stephen's smear campaign. Finally, this morning I wrote Bob about it asking him to tell this guy to stop the dirt. I pointed out that Stephen is an agent of ECNWC, and therefore I thought he should know about the extent of Stephen's obsession.  I will wait to see if Bob responds.

Since I was brought up on this thread...

First, Nominal lives in the Southwest. I live in the Mid-Atlantic. I met him at a shoot when his girlfriend at the time fought for Bob.

Anyone here can call Bob to verify these, but be warned, he might hang up the phone. When I first started help Bob, he told me that if I ever spoke with John he would never speak to me again. Needless to say, I don't bring up ECC with Bob. He told me he dislikes John so much that he won't even sell John a DVD, much less give him one. There is a real dislike between the two. I don't know why ECC tries to gloss that over. Call Bob and ask him. Feel free. His number is on his website. He will also back up that my GF, or wife, never worked for him.

Bob is also a friend of mine and he considers me a friend. Bob loses thousands of dollars a year doing this, but it is his love and his passion. It bothers me when people discredit what he tries to do. Not everyone may like his product, which is natural, but trying to paint it in a certain way is wrong.

These are all facts, not smears.

And I would have never brought up anything on an ECC thread if ECC did not bring my name up.

I like Bob and I like his videos, to say otherwise is a lie. If Bob said don't bring up my name it's  similar to when he told me not to mention Jenn after she left him. I won't elaborate but maybe Bob could fill Stephen in on that. I have invited Bob to two of my shoots, he attended one and said he would again after I moved north and started filming here. . He invited me to two of his shoots, and I attended one. I have introduced Bob to two ladies so they could shoot with him, and one did. Bob and I have traded tewo or three videos, but that was awhile ago. Stephen does his best to say in many ways I don't like Bob, but that is simply a lie. Grassland/Stephen actually is incapable of telling the truth about me. I'm sure he has tried to discredit me with Bob, it's simply how Stephen operates. The reason Stephen hates me is because virtually every lady he filmed in his failed video company left him to work with ECC. Only about one half of them have been seen so far in ECC videos, but there are others who have filmed and their matches will be seen too. They left Stephen simply cause they wanted to. I won't get deep in the dirt as Stephen does with his lies, but there are other reasons they left his company for mine. In the beginning I liked Stephen. He called me perhaps 150 times asking for advice in starting his company. I put in a good word for him with my distributor to get him started and that distributor was his first. I believe Stephen left after one video. I told the distributor I thought he was a nice guy.

This was over a decade ago before the falling out with Bob over models. It's similar to a man saying he gets along great with his ex-wife by pointing all the good times before they split up.

Anyone can call Bob and ask him. But he is not going to be pleased if you ask him about John. Just warning you.

And models follow the money. Capital City will probably film again, but that is up to my other partner. We usually scratch the catfight itch by filming for Bob. Models don't leave companies that give them work. We just stopped filming and giving them work.

CCC and ECNWC had a falling out with ECC over models. Please note that all CCC models had never worked for ECC before they worked for CCC. That cannot be said the other way around. CCC was a very good way for ECC to get good fighters, which we found out was the motivation for ECC's "help" and the fact that John knew we were close to Bob and ECC is very interested in that company's work, but it is difficult for John to find out what's going on because Bob won't talk to him or sell him any DVDs.

John did help me in the start, but we quickly found out what was going on after we released our fourth or fifth video when ECC started trying to film the exact matches we just filmed.

And if fans are tired of this, I am sorry, but just trying to set the record straight.

[East Coast Cats]

The thought of Stephen setting the record straight is funny since he's incapable of telling the truth. Please note that he mentions Bob and I having trouble over models but won't name names. Please note that ever time he says "ask Bob", he has to warn you that Bob might not talk. Steve says 10 years ago I helped Bob, well Stevie boy I called Bob and offered to connect him with one of the best ECC fighters   2 1/2 years ago. Please note that Steve says money is the reason ladies left him to work with me: Really Steve is that the only reason? Would you like me to be more specific Steve? Keep lying and I will. Steve says I only helped him so I could end up taking the models from him. That's a total lie. First lady I talked to that worked with him, I asked his permission and it was 3 months after his countless phone calls he made  to me. Also, I joined this chat room in 10/11, and found out in 2/11 postings here where the recruiters for ECNWC were going to get Pandora specifically and other ladies from ECC. It's amusing that I had offered to send this lady to Bob a couple months earlier. Apparently Bob doesn't communicate with his recruiters as much as recruiter Steve thinks he does. 2/11 is almost exactly when Steve started his countless calls to me asking my advise but always asking questions about the ladies I hire (their location, pay etc.. This was 3 months before I asked permission to speak with one of the ladies Steve filmed.  So actually the reverse is true about efforts to recruit the ladies. As far as recruiting them , 4 of them contacted me first, not me contacting them.  Steve's spin on things is always the opposite of the truth.

[East Coast Cats]

I doubt anyone cares about this other than Steve and myself, but his lies need to be addressed. If anyone other than us is slightly interested, simply ask him to name the ladies in question and not just make blanket lies without specific names. Ask him why my efforts to help Bob are ignored by Steve, but he claims Bob hates me, ( btw, I have a friendly email from Bob sent late last year). Frankly, if Bob is hearing Steve's lies about me over and over, he might be inclined to think something is wrong.  The constant liar throws dirt on top of dirt and hopes some may stick.   

[GrasslandProductions]

If anyone wants to start their own company on the East Coast between DC and Boston, this is what you will deal with.

This will go on forever if I keep responding. It never stops.

If fans want to connect with Bob, he is on www.fetlife.com with the handle Bob_at_the_ECNWC.

If you want to chat about what he does or his DVDs, you can reach him there.

[shana]

What is obvious is that Grassland is out to totally discredit one company and totally glorify the other. It's also obvious that when pressed to respond with specifics or to answer direct questions he goes into the "I'm tired of this debate" mode. Well this debate is boring, but whether in this thread or countless others he's always the attack dog after ECC.  No one is attacking ECNWC, nor should they. If Grassland is an employee of ECNWC he should be called back to the kennel. Can't we just enjoy both companies?   

[fight europe]

12 DAYS since i bought the glitched Video.
Until now i DONT get a fixed version or get my money back.
BIG THANKS TO ECC. 

[GrasslandProductions]

What is obvious is that Grassland is out to totally discredit one company and totally glorify the other. It's also obvious that when pressed to respond with specifics or to answer direct questions he goes into the "I'm tired of this debate" mode. Well this debate is boring, but whether in this thread or countless others he's always the attack dog after ECC.  No one is attacking ECNWC, nor should they. If Grassland is an employee of ECNWC he should be called back to the kennel. Can't we just enjoy both companies?   

Shana, right now you are the one attacking.

[East Coast Cats]

Hollie and Maggy are both session wrestlers and can be found on wb270.

[cffightfan]

Hollie only talks for 45 seconds in the prefight interview. She says she's glad to be back for her 2nd fight at East Coast Cats. She then says she saw her opponent, and commented that Maggy was about her size. She added that Maggy looked fit, and that she was too, so she thought it would be a good fight. The 45 seconds were the extent of Hollie's prefight interview. So happy that was the only talking by Hollie that fetishprodduction missed. Nevertheless, we will see that he receives another link of the entire video.

another thread mentioned the download options, talking about a lower video quality
than hd, sure enough the download is 640x480 at 29fps.  this is an
opportunity to maybe offer more than one size of download.  another video company
on there 1 min trailer is 1280 x720 at 49fps a big difference, but too that
1 min of video is 47.8mb.   

anyway due to the thread a few months back I was expecting hd on download, but
didn't really think about it. so if the video was shot in hd maybe create
a 2nd download link and offer both. it was just an expectation, no where
on the site did I read that the download is hd. would be great to have
a copy of this ass kicking fight  in hd though, if not in download form on dvd media.

I would request a link too on the new video with Hollie's interview audible.

who is up next at ecc? 

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

I just put up a comment about the HD downloads in that other thread.

Just to echo what I said there, filming with an HD camera is a step in the right direction. The picture quality and clarity of the downloads has improved as a result. Lets hope the next step, full HD downloads, will be coming soon.