[wasteland1952]

In reality, the things I like to see in a "catfight" are very rare in genuine non-professional fights between women/girls.

I admit that seeing body-to-body, breast-to-breast fighting is very arousing, and that includes pulling each other's hair. But such fights are extremely rare in the real world, at least from the hundreds of fights I've seen posted on the net.  There have been a few, but they are few and far between.

I'm not an expert on MMA or grappling, but in those venues body-to-body contact is a common part of the sport.  Is it because holding your opponent close prevents him/her from applying a hold that might result in a win for them?  I don't know.  But again, seeing the women in such close contact is what I like about MMA/grappling.  I guess it would take a psychiatrist/psychologist to explain the attraction, and I'm neither.

On that note though, I remember seeing an interview with a female psychologist years ago on the subject of girl fights, and why they were so popular, especially involving high school girls.  She replied that some aspects of catfighting were not unlike seeing two women making love.  She mentioned the close body contact, etc., that made the fights attractive to men.  I am looking for that interview, and if I can find it, I will post the link.  But it was quite a few years ago, so it's probably long gone.

[CecilBDmented]

And are you saying that people who not aroused by women fighting regard people who are as being akin to paedophiles?
That's what it looks like to me.

You are correct. And before you fly off the handle I didn't say all people think that. I said you can be looked at the same way since I have seen and heard some strong negative reactions to it.  It is a fetish based on women and violence, so don't be shocked if people look at you like someone who would have their wife beaten up for their fix.

One only need look at the tales on this site of some extreme reactions by wives, girlfriends, family and friends to learning someone is a catfight fan. One prevailing image of the catfight fan is that of a hardcore misogynist who gets his thrill from violence towards women and/or the reduction of women to sex objects to fight over him. And if you are a women into it, you are seen as a victim of said violence or someone with anger issues. And I have encountered some who have admitted their love of catfights to their shrink and found suddenly THAT became the thing to be "cured".

Hmmm - No. Unfortunately some choose to interpret the fetish as such (i.e. '...based on women and violence') but that's simply NOT what FvsF is about.  I'd even go so far as to assert that anyone who enjoys accounts or depictions of violence being done to women is not a FvsF fan.  FvsF has never been about violence or REAL fighting.  It has always been about what turns men and women on about female combat.  It is not the same as male/female UFC and it's not supposed to be.  The fact that some nutjob writes a story that features a woman getting her teeth knocked out or her bones broken doesn't prove or predicate that everyone or even most people in the audience find the story sexually arousing or enjoyable.  The fact that someone may visit this site and think it's about prostitution doesn't make it fact.

Are strip clubs about prostitution because that's what some women that don't approve of strippers think?  Does that 'opinion' now make the men that attend strip clubs the same as guys who are soliciting prostitution?  I don't care if someone who visits this board wants to view me as a pedophile -  because that visitor is cut from the same cloth of bright shining blistering idiocy as the woman who feels strippers are the same as prostitutes.  FvsF and stripping is legal and involves the actions of consenting adults.  Pedophilia and most forms of street prostitution are not legal and often do NOT involve the participation of consenting adults.

I completely understand the distinction between a real FvsF fight, a staged FvsF match and a professional MMA match between 2 women.  Unless they start fighting in panties, I'm not that interested in women's MMA because I have no sexual interest in any fight where it is the goal and purpose to injure or damage another women. I believe that to be the overall prevailing opinion of most true FvsF fans.  I damn sure don't step into the world thinking EVERY Female competition is supposed to be about what I find sexually arousing (but I can dream ;-).  The confusion arrives in the form of many who attend this forum who may not be true FvsF fans and find enjoyment and perhaps sexual arousal over the thought of one human being physically damaging another.  I would never 'seriously' suggest that women's MMA change their rules to attend to what I find erotic about FvsF - because these women aren't competing for that purpose!!  Every FvsF scenario is not there for the sole purpose of my arousal in the very same way that every story and depiction of FvsF on this board is not necessarily a representation of what FvsF fans find arousing.  However, for my purpose of conversing about FvsF in this forum the following holds true:

• I'm only interested in women's MMA, women's combat or 'real' FvsF if there is content that I find sexually arousing and, quite frankly, I don't give a damn whether or not my sexual arousal was the intent of the participants.
• I don't give a rusty ruby red shit whether someone wants to label me as a pervert or a pedophile because of my enjoyment of FvsF.  These people are as idiotic and brain deaf as folks who used to label women who wore pants or wanted to run for office or join the work force 'lesbians'.  My enjoyment of FvsF is not derogatory.  It is NOT a 'perversion' or a 'crime'.  It's a fetish and it's mthrfcking LEGAL!
• Now this is just my opinion but any human being that finds themselves sexually aroused at the thought of one human being being physically damaged by another is simply fucked in the head.  I don't care what gender they belong to.  I like boxing.  Men are hurt and physically damaged by boxing, football and many other popular contact sports.  However, I am NOT sexually aroused by it.

I'm sorry that some can't draw a distinction between what we (FvsF fans) find sexually arousing with regards to FvsF and the fact that women can be physically injured during FvsF whether it is real, professional or staged.  I'm sorry that some can't come to grips with the fact that it is NOT the 'physical damage' that we find arousing.  That being said, I completely understand why this distinction is confusing to those of you who may not be FvsF fans but it might be a bit easier if we draw a distinction between those who find FvsF sexually arousing and those who find women being beaten up sexually arousing.  If you read that last sentence and think the 2 concepts are one and the same this is the point where you depart from my FvsF reality.  Very interesting discussion.  Thanks for all the viewpoints!

[Nutmeg]

Cecil,

At the heart there is still physical conflict between women. And if you show the layperson a video of two women slapping each other or pulling each others hair and contend its not violent, you will likely get looks of disbelief. Likewise the very phrase "female combat". Like it or not violent action is linked to the fetish, real or staged.

And I hope you didn't take me as saying these stigmas I mentioned are fact. I have met some FvsF fans that scare the fuck out of me, just as I met some that are completely harmless and well adjusted.  And yes I agree, this can be a haven for people more into "women getting beat up" than "women fighting" Sadly this is the image a lot of people seem to have of the fetish. Try telling the general public FvsF fans didn't like Raze. Women fighting, must be in your wheelhouse, right? Anyone following the discussions know "not really", but conceptions are hard to change.

I also had fights in real life which I find distinctly non sexy. I came from a life of violence I have no desire to return to. In fact when I encounter people who press me for details and do get off on it, it makes me uncomfortable. In my opinion, the stuff I did and saw should horrify, not titillate.  But end of the day, I have no control over what THEY feel. Much of my writing has violence in it and the assumption is by some that the violence is the attraction for me. It is in fact a means by which I can ride the emotional roller coaster that I enjoy. And its not real. In fact I find it absurdly exaggerated. If some don't like that ride, don't read it. And yes some may get enjoyment from it for a reason that bothers me, but I can't control that and still make it available for all. I know producers also get fan mail that they wish they didn't get or requests for customs that bother them. And really, if they are going to have that kink, I would much rather they filled it by reading something versus going out in real life and harming another living creature.

And like most fandoms there are as many motivations as there are people. Some like the body contact, some the competition, some (like myself) the emotions. None are inherently right or wrong (unless they are illegal). They are right for that person. Might not work for you but there is a lot of material out there. For myself videos leave me cold as opposed to the written word because of the emotional context.  And I get much more out of it being an active participant via a roleplay versus reading an account so stories tend to also fall flat for me. In the end, I can't see why everyone's desires can't coexist.

Anyways sorry for the slight threadjack, wasteland. if someone wishes to continue down this discussion and not swerve the thread further feel free to message me.

[wasteland1952]

Nutmeg, please don't be sorry for the "threadjack!"  It's all on point, as far as I'm concerned.  And I guess it all comes down to real life fighting, or fighting to win (pro or amateur), vs. the sexuality of what I and many others like to see.  I am totally disgusted when it comes to domestic violence, or violence against women.  There's no excuse for it.

And for anyone out there who actually enjoys seeing women really hurt one another, here's a question for you:  would  you like seeing your wife/daughter in a violent fight with another woman?  I mean where your loved one is actually getting hurt?  Guess that's a topic for a separate thread!

[CecilBDmented]

Cecil,

At the heart there is still physical conflict between women. And if you show the layperson a video of two women slapping each other or pulling each others hair and contend its not violent, you will likely get looks of disbelief.

I'd never show a layperson a video of 2 women slapping each other's faces and pulling hair as an example of FvsF.  I don't like face slapping or hair-pulling because I don't find it to be as erotic as close body contact, intertwined legs and breast or crotch grabbing. I don't find anything remotely sexy about 2 women striking each other in the face.  Again - I don't believe that people who find this sexually arousing are FvsF fans as much as they are people who have a desire to see women hurt each other.  What is remotely erotic about 2 women pulling each other's hair out?

And I hope you didn't take me as saying these stigmas I mentioned are fact. I have met some FvsF fans that scare the fuck out of me, just as I met some that are completely harmless and well adjusted.  And yes I agree, this can be a haven for people more into "women getting beat up" than "women fighting" Sadly this is the image a lot of people seem to have of the fetish.

I concur.

Try telling the general public FvsF fans didn't like Raze. Women fighting, must be in your wheelhouse, right? Anyone following the discussions know "not really", but conceptions are hard to change.

FvsF fans have no reason to solicit acceptance or appeasement from the "general public".  Most of the general public gets off on watching 2 smoking hot busty tight-bodied women wrestle in close body contact. That was the entire point of the Miller Light commercial.  Women fighting to the death and mutilating each other isn't even in the same orbit as FvsF. Do you see the women in WWE mutilating each other?  Hell no.  That ignorant BS is simply the fantasy of a warped little boy or a broken man who harbours hatred and resentment towards women. Someone writes a story about beautiful busty women wearing large wedding rings that they use to beat each other's face into a bloody pulp fighting over 'him'?  That's not FvsF.  That's a sick Jackass who has issues with women. Johnny Fucktard writes a story about begging his wife to dress in a sexy short dress to go to a bar and then, behind her back, orchestrates her beatdown by several other women who end up writing "Whore" on her bare naked backsides in lipstick?  That's not FvsF.  That's a limp-dicked  little bitch (small b out of respect for proper Bitches)  of a man who has control and MANipulation issues.  It's not sexy.  It's not erotic - and FvsF fans have neither need nor necessity to apologize for that sick shit because it's not, and never will be, what we (FvsF fans) ascribe to. 

It is in fact a means by which I can ride the emotional roller coaster that I enjoy. And its not real. In fact I find it absurdly exaggerated. If some don't like that ride, don't read it. And yes some may get enjoyment from it for a reason that bothers me, but I can't control that and still make it available for all.

I know producers also get fan mail that they wish they didn't get or requests for customs that bother them. And really, if they are going to have that kink, I would much rather they filled it by reading something versus going out in real life and harming another living creature.

There are a lot of sick people out there. While their sickness may be our burden it's certainly not our responsibility. I see people rallying around a writer to cyber-slap him/her on the back in congratulation of the equivalent of cyber-drivel. They've laid out another dosage of Saran-Rap that's stretched out so thin nearly everyone can see through it. These people suck at story telling and their writing contains material that is at best offensive and derogatory and at worst completely boring and without merit.  It's not FvsF but others seem (or at least claim) to 'enjoy' it.  So the beat goes on.  Marty and Tricia (rest her soul) used to tell me about some of the sick twisted requests they'd get from people wanting to see the women slice each other up with knives and other ignorant crap.

And like most fandoms there are as many motivations as there are people. Some like the body contact, some the competition, some (like myself) the emotions. None are inherently right or wrong (unless they are illegal). They are right for that person. Might not work for you but there is a lot of material out there. For myself videos leave me cold as opposed to the written word because of the emotional context.

It's interesting that you'd bring that up because I find a certain fascination with a great FvsF story that I don't necessarily get with a FvsF video.  It's also one of the reasons I've come to appreciate a lot of FvsF art - even thought I've had to wade through some pretty disgusting crap to find what I like.  I still don't like depictions of women being struck in the face or beaten with blood spurting out of their mouths. However, and I'll accept the label of hypocrite for this, I completely enjoy depictions of women being grabbed (preferably) or punched in  the breast or crotch.  I just don't want to see deep bleeding mutilating scrath marks because that's when it stops being sexy and starts being violent.

And I get much more out of it being an active participant via a roleplay versus reading an account so stories tend to also fall flat for me. In the end, I can't see why everyone's desires can't coexist.

Ahh - so that explains the whole 2nd life thing.  I never got into that.  I suspect I'm more visual.  I had a couple of GFs who used to try to make up FvsF stories to get me excited but they were really bad at it and, at that time, I didn't feel comfortable giving them too many pointers about what excited me with regards to FvsF

Anyways sorry for the slight threadjack, wasteland. if someone wishes to continue down this discussion and not swerve the thread further feel free to message me.

Hah! So you're apologizing for exponentially increasing the interest and IQ of this thread into something that was spot on, intelligent  and relevant?  I respectfully decline your apology and formally request that you 'threadjack' more often.  In a word: "Thanks!!"

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

The analogy you used there is false. People's ideas about how men and women should behave are based only partly on prejudice, and partly on real physical and psychological differences between the sexes. Racial stereotypes have no basis in reality whatsoever.

A stereotype is usually based on an exaggeration of something, an attribution of a characteristic to race or gender that in fact is caused by other factors, or a "fact" that suits the needs of the speaker of such a stereotype. And you don't seem to believe stereotypes exist based on gender, which is incorrect.

You quoted what I wrote. But did you read it first? I did not say that stereotypes based on gender do not exist. I said that they are based partly on prejudice, partly on actual differences between male and female. Read it and see!

1. Women tend to have longer hair and be untrained fighters, thus being more exposed to the hairpulling risk
2. Men who meet this same criteria have also been known to pull hair (and be derided for it)  and
3. Men when fighting or attacking women also are known to pull their hair. Watch any depiction of domestic abuse and chances are he will lead her around by her hair.
4. You make a comment that "You never see fights between men being interrupted by people telling them to use different tactics in order to hurt each more. " Do cries of "Kick him in the balls!" ""break his arm!" "Curb stomp him" and "Give him the boots ! " not count as suggesting tactics used to hurt someone more? Granted they may not stop the fight if that doesn't happen but don't kid yourself in thinking men's fights are filled with nice audiences. That or you seem filled with a desire to demonize the audiences that don't encourage hairpulling.

I hope you won't be offended if, as a none female person, I use the "W" word again in replying to some of these points. Lol.

Are you saying that, in the USA, men are not allowed to grab or pull each others hair in a street fight either? I didn't actually know that.
I am in the UK. Here, the general concensus of opinion is that there are no rules and no referees in a street fight, whether the fighters are men or women. If your opponent grabs you by the hair, spectators will not interrupt the fight to stop them, you have to deal with it yourself. Same thing with fighting on the ground.
And telling your opponent "Hey, stop being a pussy and let me up." Is not what I would call dealing with it. Where I come from, that would translate as "Ok, I give up. You win."

And I am not saying that women should be required to pull hair when they fight. Only that they should be allowed to do so if they wish. As I said in my previous comment, it's a great way for them to settle an argument without injuring each other in the process. And yes, it does turn me on to see it, while women punching each other in the face has the opposite effect. Like a lot of men, I have a strong aversion to seeing that happen, which is why, though I am a catfight fanatic, I rarely watch women's boxing or MMA.

 

[Nutmeg]

The analogy you used there is false. People's ideas about how men and women should behave are based only partly on prejudice, and partly on real physical and psychological differences between the sexes. Racial stereotypes have no basis in reality whatsoever.

A stereotype is usually based on an exaggeration of something, an attribution of a characteristic to race or gender that in fact is caused by other factors, or a "fact" that suits the needs of the speaker of such a stereotype. And you don't seem to believe stereotypes exist based on gender, which is incorrect.

You quoted what I wrote. But did you read it first? I did not say that stereotypes based on gender do not exist. I said that they are based partly on prejudice, partly on actual differences between male and female. Read it and see!

I did, but I don't think you understand what either of us said You didn't even mention the word stereotypes in regard to gender instead using the less offensive "ideas" And really your point seems to be gender stereotypes are somewhat true, racial ones aren't. Mine is both are equally distortions of reality. Why are Asians seen as sneaky? Well they tend to be smaller and more lithe and the epicanthic fold can be seen as looking sneaky or devious. Also the slighter build has them seen as less masculine thus, like women, they are seen as being unable to do direct physical confrontation. So using comparing racial and gender stereotypes are valid. Both take something real (or believed to be real) and blow it out of proportion. And neither are "fact" per se.

Are you saying that, in the USA, men are not allowed to grab or pull each others hair in a street fight either? I didn't actually know that.

Well no idea about the US but I assumed people watching bar fights tended to be the same worldwide. Here In Canada if we had a street fight with no bar crowd attached to it, it was either a mugging or gang violence. And in that case one is more worried about no knives than no hairpulling.

If they pull hair to the degree of doing nothing but, well yes. If they are going to stand there, both hands in each other hair doing a tug of war, then yes, they will be mocked. If they don't stop from sheer embarrassment their friends likely will break them up. The reason people break up fights at the "nothing happening" stage is because no one wants to be stupid enough to turn their back and get cold cocked. And the thing with being on the ground, well if by chance someone should roll to the feet of their friends, the other person oddly got kicked a lot. And since that tends to escalate things, once it reached the "two bitches rolling around in heat" stage (as one friend called it ) people tended to stand them up. The mentality around here was settle it standing up.

 

And I am not saying that women should be required to pull hair when they fight. Only that they should be allowed to do so if they wish. As I said in my previous comment, it's a great way for them to settle an argument without injuring each other in the process. And yes, it does turn me on to see it, while women punching each other in the face has the opposite effect. Like a lot of men, I have a strong aversion to seeing that happen, which is why, though I am a catfight fanatic, I rarely watch women's boxing or MMA.

 

No you stated we were genetically compelled to pull hair. That we had little choice since it was our instinct (apparently men don't have this same genetic feature). Big difference from being a choice we make from circumstance and/or safety. And as I mentioned the "safety" is highly suspect. I didn't even get into the greater chance of kicking (since your hands are busy), eye gouging and scratching that is much easier when you are that close to someone's face. 

And try doing a tug of war with someone using hair. You aren't calmer, you in fact are much more angry since you are in pain the whole time. An odd lesson that: men have an aversion to women getting punched, but are perfectly fine with them in a pain tolerance contest?  If you really had concern with our well being, just don't let us fight at all.

[Nutmeg]

FvsF fans have no reason to solicit acceptance or appeasement from the "general public".  Most of the general public gets off on watching 2 smoking hot busty tight-bodied women wrestle in close body contact. That was the entire point of the Miller Light commercial.  Women fighting to the death and mutilating each other isn't even in the same orbit as FvsF. Do you see the women in WWE mutilating each other?  Hell no.  That ignorant BS is simply the fantasy of a warped little boy or a broken man who harbours hatred and resentment towards women. Someone writes a story about beautiful busty women wearing large wedding rings that they use to beat each other's face into a bloody pulp fighting over 'him'?  That's not FvsF.  That's a sick Jackass who has issues with women. Johnny Fucktard writes a story about begging his wife to dress in a sexy short dress to go to a bar and then, behind her back, orchestrates her beatdown by several other women who end up writing "Whore" on her bare naked backsides in lipstick?  That's not FvsF.  That's a limp-dicked  little bitch (small b out of respect for proper Bitches)  of a man who has control and MANipulation issues.  It's not sexy.  It's not erotic - and FvsF fans have neither need nor necessity to apologize for that sick shit because it's not, and never will be, what we (FvsF fans) ascribe to. 

You mention the story about the man who gets his wife beat up and that is always one of my biggest questions with some stuff here:
Why your wife, of all people? Fine if your sexual turn on is to see one woman dominate another, but why is the one being dominated the woman you married? One would think you would be protective of her, not "I want to see you violated by a strap on while I have a circle jerk with the other woman's husband.  Love you ! " I could understand if it was like an 80's action movie and she loses the first fight but wins the rematch, so she overcomes adversity. If you hate her that much, divorce her. And I do feel for the guys who try to get their wife or girlfriend interested and have to tread through that minefield of explaining "that is NOT my thing "

The other trend I get twitchy over is the "feminine attractive women gets beat up by masculine female" Nothing wrong with liking jobber matches in general, but when your love is that specific type... It is quite possible you trying to do a rather disturbing mixed match and hoping we don't notice.
 

It's interesting that you'd bring that up because I find a certain fascination with a great FvsF story that I don't necessarily get with a FvsF video.  It's also one of the reasons I've come to appreciate a lot of FvsF art - even thought I've had to wade through some pretty disgusting crap to find what I like.  I still don't like depictions of women being struck in the face or beaten with blood spurting out of their mouths. However, and I'll accept the label of hypocrite for this, I completely enjoy depictions of women being grabbed (preferably) or punched in  the breast or crotch.  I just don't want to see deep bleeding mutilating scrath marks because that's when it stops being sexy and starts being violent.

Art and stories have the advantage of depicting something that looks realistic in their medium that would look phony if you tried to do it on video or photos. And also for art, sometimes the unrealness of it can make something that would make you cringe in real life palatable.  The other advantage is that if need be, you could edit or ask the creator to edit some stuff for you. Meaning if someone did a story you liked except for maybe a bit much violence, you could always either cut and paste and edit it or ask the writer nicely Likewise with art.

Anyways sorry for the slight threadjack, wasteland. if someone wishes to continue down this discussion and not swerve the thread further feel free to message me.

Hah! So you're apologizing for exponentially increasing the interest and IQ of this thread into something that was spot on, intelligent  and relevant?  I respectfully decline your apology and formally request that you 'threadjack' more often.  In a word: "Thanks!!"

Thanks:) And thanks to Wasteland for saying the same. I am always worried I might be bringing up logic when no one wants to hear it

[Nutmeg]

And I am not saying that women should be required to pull hair when they fight. Only that they should be allowed to do so if they wish. As I said in my previous comment, it's a great way for them to settle an argument without injuring each other in the process. And yes, it does turn me on to see it, while women punching each other in the face has the opposite effect. Like a lot of men, I have a strong aversion to seeing that happen, which is why, though I am a catfight fanatic, I rarely watch women's boxing or MMA.

 

No you stated we were genetically compelled to pull hair. That we had little choice since it was our instinct (apparently men don't have this same genetic feature).

well in fairness now there is fact that for a lot of women, their hair is very meaningful to them, it's a symbol of beauty, something almost uniquely feminine in culture. So in a personal fight......if you really wanna humiliate someone, that'd be one way to do it, attacking that which means the most to them.

It cannot be the same for a man, because a man's hair is not valued or prized the way a woman's is, not to mention the fact that a woman's hair is generally longer than a man's to begin with lending itself to being pulled more easily either for leverage purposes or for the aforementioned humiliation factor.

So all the commercials of men seeking to reduce their grey hair and increase the hair they have means nothing? I would say men value their hair more than women. It is cited as your source of youth, confidence, virility, the reason other men respect you and women adore you. If humiliation was that much of a factor, men should be clawing at each other's scalps seeking to remove the source of their manliness.  Also, since a woman's face is also a source of beauty, should we not then be more prone to punch it?

The practical reasons you do cite I mentioned a few posts ago.

[cooper4]

Generally speaking, I have only seen hairpulling used as a means of gaining a headlock as a prelude to punching or getting kneed -an as a means of taking things too the ground.

"Nutmeg, feedback was interesting- neither girl wanting too turn her back, out of fear of being cold cocked"

[jppottle]

when women are pulling each others hair in a catfight is what makes the fight sexy and appealing to watch for both men and women i might add

[blilly2]

your hair is on your body, so especially in extreme fights where a ko or injury is the means to end the fight it should definitely be allowed. Very few skilled fighters, be them male or female are unable to get an opponent to release their hair in a fight. I always see fake ass bitches who cant really throw down complaining about getting their hair pulled, and just as my man taught me never bitch about a chick pulling your hair, make her sorry she pulled it instead. When someone pulls your hair they are automatically leaving an opening for your to strike their body in some way (typically they expose their ribs and solar plexus when they go for the hair because one arm is extended thus exposing the body, and after a few powerful uppercuts, hooks to the rib cage, liver, and/or solar plexus most girls abandon the hair pull for some much needed defense). So i have no mercy on girls who dont know how to force an opponent to release their hair due to lack of skill. Hair pulling combined with good solid striking is my favorite way to end an opponent in a fight(pull hair while kneeing the face, or while pummeling the face and body with your free hand and watch the immediate damage appear, this is a great technique to force the head and body to the perfect angle for finishing blows if timed right and delivered accurately.

[I love catfighters]

I'd say that if it's a fight that is set up, then it ultimately depends on the rules that the fighters or the organizer(s) of the fight agree upon. I don't feel that there should be any kind of universal rule. On the other hand, if it's spur of the moment kind of thing that involves very active feelings of anger, then it's difficult to say. It would be very easy for the two parties to have a different take on the fight, with one of the women specifically being the aggressor or instigator.

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

You quoted what I wrote. But did you read it first? I did not say that stereotypes based on gender do not exist. I said that they are based partly on prejudice, partly on actual differences between male and female. Read it and see!

I did, but I don't think you understand what either of us said You didn't even mention the word stereotypes in regard to gender instead using the less offensive "ideas"

Stereotypes ARE ideas, which exist only in the minds of the people who believe them. What else could they be?

And really your point seems to be gender stereotypes are somewhat true, racial ones aren't. Mine is both are equally distortions of reality. Why are Asians seen as sneaky?

  Asians are not seen as sneaky. Not where I come from.

Well they tend to be smaller and more lithe and the epicanthic fold can be seen as looking sneaky or devious. Also the slighter build has them seen as less masculine thus, like women, they are seen as being unable to do direct physical confrontation.

This is all news to me. Maybe East Asians are percieved in that way by ignorant people in the part of the world you grew up in, but not anywhere else.
The reason? Those particular stereotypes are not based upon emperical evidence or observation of the way East Asians, in fact, behave. They are based purely upon ignorance and prejudice.

The idea, or stereotype, if you prefer, that women pull hair when they fight is different. It is based upon observation, something that people have seen happen over and over again, on my side of the Atlantic as well as yours. Otherwise, as I said before, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

And since that tends to escalate things, once it reached the "two bitches rolling around in heat" stage (as one friend called it ) people tended to stand them up. The mentality around here was settle it standing up.

This is the Freecatfight forum, Meg. Around here, "two bitches rolling around in heat" is what's known as a good, sexy catfight, and is exactly what most of us want to see!

No you stated we were genetically compelled to pull hair.

I stated no such thing. Please either substantiate that allegation or retract and aplogise immediately.
Otherwise I will create a cyber-soliciter who will track you down in cyber-fight land and serve you with an imaginary writ for cyber-libel.

 

[CecilBDmented]

when women are pulling each others hair in a catfight is what makes the fight sexy and appealing to watch for both men and women i might add

I don't find anything sexy about 2 women pulling each others hair unless they're wrapped up in close body-to-body-leg intertwined contact.  I have absolutely no idea how 2 women pulling each others hair translates into sexy FvsF.  Same with face slapping.  Hell - I'd even go so far as to say I don't even find breast or crotch slapping sexy in a FvsF fight - and this is coming from a die hard (NPI) fan of  FvsF crotch grabbing and Hands on Titfighting!