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I HATE ultimate surrender

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Offline Bear

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Re: Yes DuVVus, you're the only one.
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2014, 02:09:24 AM »
 - Then I saw a US clip of her taking it up the ass from another girl.  I will admit it sucked an inordinate amount of the romance out of the idea I had about taking her out to Sunday brunch.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not a prude or anything but I'd just daydream about what she'd order when it was time for dessert. [/b][/color]
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That would tend to kill it for me too. 

A few years ago, on Barb's site, I referred to Napali productions as garbage.  I have since retracted that statement and with the help of CB have come to realize that the issue here is what people will buy.  If Ultimate Surrender has its followers and makes money, good for them.  CB's identification of US's target audience makes a whole lot of sense -- not something that I would have considered, but when I look at how the lesbian population in my little East Bay town has soared in the last 15 years, it all fits. 

What matters is that you know what you're paying for, and getting it.  Being ripped off is another story.  Same with Napali.  I bought a Napali tape in the late 80's after reading a description in a magazine.  When I got the tape, I felt that I had been had, which is why I slammed the company when I got the chance.  With the Internet however, we should all have a pretty clear idea of what particular sub-genre each producer targets.  Ultimate Surrender won't get any of my money, for a variety of reasons.  Neither will the WWE or the NFL or Nike for that matter.  Like Ultimate Surrender, I'm not part of their target audience.  But those who are seem to be satisfied enough to keep all of these companies in business.  Rather than label something as crap, I now chose to say that it's just not my style and move on.  And I doubt that Vince McMahon, Jed York or Phil Knight could care.


 

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Offline Markleilani

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2014, 03:53:07 PM »
I'm also not a big fan of US - but they have had some good, fairly competitive matches (Isamar G, Ariel X etc.).

I read once that Amber Deluca attended a US show - now, her against Debra D'andrea , or any other FBB, might work :)

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2014, 11:25:19 AM »
Well, I love every form of girl fights, especially catfights.

As vendors, I like a lot of companies, as Double Trouble, DWW, Steel Kittens, Foxycombat, Viarapartment Catfights, CatfightingAngels, APL etc, and just dislike the sexual companies who focus in the sexual part of the fights, as Catfight Corner, Napali Videos, etc.

Many regards from Spain.

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2014, 05:29:10 AM »
I don't HATE u. s., but I doubt I will ever subscribe again.  "Sexual wrestling"?  What does that mean?  The whole wrestling followed by humiliation doesn't make much sense to me.  Just FIGHT, already!  There are plenty of lesbian sex sites. 
I subscribed the first time, and still have most of the downloads, because hey, they have some pretty girls naked!  Gotta love that much. 

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2014, 11:50:44 AM »
As I said, just take a look to Ariel X vs Vendetta fights. Fantastic girls and fantastic action with a real rivalry.

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Offline CecilBDmented

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Re: The folks who HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2014, 03:03:36 PM »
As I said, just take a look to Ariel X vs Vendetta fights. Fantastic girls and fantastic action with a real rivalry.

  • ...don't have a clue about who runs and participates in FvsF products
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  • ...don't contain a single solitary clue on how to grow and sustain a FvsF business

These are the same guys who still have VHS players with America Online and Hotmail accounts.  Stop paying attention to them. No one else does. ;-) The only thing they excel at is logging onto message boards to bluster and being consumed by the smell and fragrance of their own bodily hypnotical gases. They are the joke.  They never see the punch line coming.

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2014, 02:13:49 PM »
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I have an interest in female
hooligans fights too as well as Russian girl gang fights!!
i also pay entertainers to fight 1 another and i get photos of them here in Las Vegas Nv Sabrina is now 6-1 Yes i pay strippers to fight each other for $$.

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2014, 01:20:32 PM »
     I've learned that, for myself, there can be a very fine line between awful and excellent in WvW wrestling.  SOAP productions had a lot of the same themes as US; but, 1) no grabass during match and certainly not for "points," 2) no silly point tabulation--that "chime" when a point is scored is enough to make me go soft, and 3) no goofy ref--although getting ariel instead of that dufuss wearing a samuri suit (?) was a good start.  Finally, what separates me from most in this thread is that I LIKE watching the women use strap-on after a match (better than that damned trib--do women really do that!!??)  Okay, I'm drunk.  P.S> Lived all over the USA good & bad NYC to Meridian, MS and North Beach in SF is about as good as it gets.  If they could just get rid of NOV-MARCH people would be leaving Maui to move there.  Thank you all for this forum!!

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In the 90’s, before the internet completely changed the way female fighting videos were marketed and sold, you had remarkably fewer production companies making remarkably fewer products. These were cottage industry companies, and largely labors of love. I seriously doubt that California Wildcats, for example, turned much of a profit. I seriously wonder whether or not they even recovered their costs despite charging prices that would cause massive outrage in today’s market. Their videos would be released the same way a mother robin would treat her chick: push them out of the nest and hope the fuck they can fly. Their chance for success lay in the quality of the production: the hotness of the women and the intense realism of their content.

The result: again, I cannot speak to financial side (although I will point this out before someone else does: they went out of the catfight business and into the “sexfight” business) the videos remain near-universal benchmarks for quality. SketchArtiste says their motto should be "Our old stuff still kicks ass on most of the new stuff available today." I would only say to that, most? Please, for the love of God and all that is holy, tell me who today (outside Central Europe) has women that hot in action that compelling? My credit card and I are dying to know.

Along came the internet and the virtual bursting of the dam. Production companies sprang up all over. But it was Ultimate Surrender who saw the possibilities better than everyone else, saw the way to best exploit the new situation. Prices would be cut roughly in half, and new content was guaranteed on a weekly basis. Cash flow was guaranteed by charging for membership, which worked as well to make the consumer accept what they were given. The emphasis became on what was new, and more importantly, what was sure to come to you next week.

This new mentality i.e. a constant supply of new material for a lot less than you were paying for a single CW product, worked as surely as did the ringing of the bell for Pavlov and his dogs. And to the dogs is precisely where US headed, diving for the low ground and greater profits with ever-diminshing attention to the quality side. Starting with the exquisite promise of Janay (has anyone other than Alecia Ames with Joan Wise ever been so associated with a production company as when Janay jumpstarted US?), who was jettisoned after the first year, it just got worse and worse. The quality of the women became basically irrelevant. No woman above the Mendoza Line (the attraction threshold below which a performer's presence in an erotic female fighting video cannot be justified), of Cal Wildcats quality, was ever going to perform for what US was paying their performers, and risk being on the business end of the trademark synthetic penis. And gone was the idea of a locale, i.e. outdoors, to provide texture and atmosphere. All US needed was a mat, a camera and two unattractive women who really needed the money and didn't mind being filmed while having something forcibly shoved up their cooch.

Now , at this point, US began to realize something that the Bidwell family, owner of the Arizona Cardinals of the NFL, had kept to themselves for years: you make more money with a bad team. In the case of the Cardinals, with shared television and merchandising revenues coming in, there was not only no incentive to field a team with a shot at the playoffs, there was every incentive to field a shitty team with no chance of winning. You paid the players less, you kept less on and off field staff; you kept more of the guaranteed money. At US, with membership fees taking care of the cash flow and the consumer base conditioned to accept weekly released inferior products at a discounted price, where was US's incentive to improve?

The direction of the industry was now set in stone. To use below Mendoza Line performers became the norm. New companies were formed, but would find it hard to break free of the virtual tourniquet that US had placed around the American arm of the industry. There was simply too much pressure to conform to the 1 video per week for less than $20 formula.

And the overall quality of American female fighting videos took a nose dive. That’s the argument.



As usual like the chime of a church bell on a bright sunny day, Ofecteau's observations continue to ring true.  Being a North Beach resident I always hear this quote truncated and seldom stated in it's entirety which is:

"Once You've Seen St. Peters and Pauls Church, You Are  Done With North Beach Churches and should immediately begin a thorough investigation of North Beach Bar's, restuarants and Pubs".

Many Years after I'd graduated college I had a visit from a very dear college friend who'd returned to New York City before graduation to take care of his terminally ill grandmother. While my friend had always smoked weed, he never drank or did any hard drugs - ever.  During the course of his time caring for his grandmother he had succumbed to depression and a subsequent and severe substance abuse problem.  Following his grandmother's passing, he kicked his substance abuse and decided to purchase a Goldwing motorcycle and travel the country as far as he could ride.  He'd been to Alaska by way of NYC and was heading back through CA and contacted me to let me know he'd be in the Bay Area.

I was 35-40 miles south of San Francisco at the time but we (he and his female traveling companion for that leg of the trip) met up and took the Caltrain to San Francisco. After traveling the road on his GoldWing for over a year, what excited and compelled my friend was visiting churches.  He had a map and location for every large church or cathedral in the city.  He would wait until it was daytime (never during services) and smoke a bit of weed, then walk into the church and examine everything.  He looked at the wood and watched the sunlight wash through the windows and surround the seats in the choir and warm the pulpit.  He spent hours doing this. He didn't go to bars, strip clubs, raves or parties - just churches.  He was fascinated with churches and I was fascinated with his fixation and the serene calm it seemed to bring him. At that time, I had never been to a church in San Francisco, in any capacity. 

The last church we went to was in a neighborhood I was completely unfamiliar with.  My friend promised me it would be the last church on 'the tour'. When we went in I was mesmerized.  While we were examining the church the clock struck and the combination of the church along with the smell and the sound and vision of sun streaming through the windows washing over everything and everyone was absolutely divine and  stoned immaculate.  It was the last time I saw Wayne. I'm not sure how he is or what he's doing.  I've never been back inside that particular church but my apartment is 3 blocks away and I see it (and pass by it) everyday. It's in a little neighborhood called North Beach. Since then, I've taken it upon myself to become an expert on every single bar, strip club and nightclub in North Beach. My visits tend to start near the end of the day and end sometime after the Sun has safely retreated behind the satin pantied short skirts barely covering the Moon's backsides.  So when you visit the best of the top 5 cities in the US and decide to see what's going on in that city's best neighborhood, as soon as you've seen St Peter's & Paul's (the church - not the strip club act) feel free to get in touch and I'll let you know where  to carry on with the rest of your investigation. ;-)

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2014, 09:09:24 PM »
    Only in San Francisco would the Chamber of Commerce actually support such an endorsement.

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Offline Bear

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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2014, 06:52:20 PM »
CB, you reside in North Beach?  I always had you pegged for the Mission.  Maybe it's because I recall the time when some angry dork on Barb's board wanted to fight you and you told him that he could meet you the Mission BART station because you pass through there everyday.

Don't get to the city much anymore because the Saturday night traffic from the East Bay is prohibitive, not to mention parking AND East Bay restaurants have really upped their game.  However, I have many fond memories of North Beach -- gaining admission into a strip club after our Senior Dinner (in high school), my bachelor party (and many others) ending up at Vesuvio's  after hitting several clubs, and our annual pre-Bay-to-Breakers dinners at Washington Square Bar & Grill or Moose's.  Great times.     

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Offline CecilBDmented

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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2014, 07:18:08 PM »
CB, you reside in North Beach?  I always had you pegged for the Mission.  Maybe it's because I recall the time when some angry dork on Barb's board wanted to fight you and you told him that he could meet you the Mission BART station because you pass through there everyday.

Don't get to the city much anymore because the Saturday night traffic from the East Bay is prohibitive, not to mention parking AND East Bay restaurants have really upped their game.  However, I have many fond memories of North Beach -- gaining admission into a strip club after our Senior Dinner (in high school), my bachelor party (and many others) ending up at Vesuvio's  after hitting several clubs, and our annual pre-Bay-to-Breakers dinners at Washington Square Bar & Grill or Moose's.  Great times.     

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