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I HATE ultimate surrender

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Offline eyeinthesky

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I HATE ultimate surrender
« on: May 18, 2014, 03:38:43 AM »
ok I know everybody hates them but I just had to say it again. I HATE ultimate surrender and their stupid scripted fights being all over the place

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Offline Catfight Super Fan

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2014, 02:12:23 PM »
oh yes!!!

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Offline DJP60

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2014, 02:16:49 PM »
K WELL stated
I have an interest in female
hooligans fights too as well as Russian girl gang fights!!
i also pay entertainers to fight 1 another and i get photos of them here in Las Vegas Nv Sabrina is now 6-1 Yes i pay strippers to fight each other for $$.

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2014, 04:21:52 PM »
I'm not a fan - all the fights seem very similar, I don't care for the girls' attire and there's just not much excitement for me. That said, they obviously have a lot of fans, else they'd be out of business by now. Weird how a fetish like ours can have so many variations that appeal or don't appeal to different catfight lovers. I'm just grateful to the internet for making so many sites available. The old days were tough on us closet fans.

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Offline CecilBDmented

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I'm not a fan - all the fights seem very similar, I don't care for the girls' attire and there's just not much excitement for me. That said, they obviously have a lot of fans, else they'd be out of business by now. Weird how a fetish like ours can have so many variations that appeal or don't appeal to different catfight lovers. I'm just grateful to the internet for making so many sites available. The old days were tough on us closet fans.

While I'm not a huge fan of their FvsF content, these folks did something no other producer succeeded at.  They made FvsF attractive to a large audience of females.  There is a large concentration of young  lesbians in San Francisco.  There's a much larger concentration of young female lesbians in the East Bay.  In fact there is a neighborhood in Oakland that has the largest concentration of lesbians in the USA.  Since the majority of the women who participate in Ultimate Surrender productions are gay or Bi, there is a high interest in this company's offerings. They employ and interest women in their productions. 

I've never had a woman start talking to me about CA Wildcats or DWW (or any other FvsF producer) in a bar but I've had several strippers talk about Ultimate Surrender and even question me on how they could get into it.  One woman even went so far as to proclaim that she "...get's off watching that shit!" - then immediately ordered the smoking hot huge breasted tight assed waitress to "get me a cigarette" thus rendering my special moment into a prison bitch movie memory. In the last 8 months I've had 2 women initiate conversation about how they could get into doing work for Ultimate Surrender and 3 others extemporaneously elaborate on

  • how they were undefeated in nude wrestling or
  • how they would love to wrestle another woman in competition or
  • how they would love to watch women wrestling each other nude/topless.

Women love Ultimate Surrender and watch their prolific offerings on the internet.  I have to imagine their interest is due in large part to the strap-on action at the end of the match.  My standard reply whenever a hot dancer asks me if I'd like to watch her dance with her girlfriend: "That's not going to do anything for me - I'd rather watch you wrestle each other."  Then again, I realize I'm in San Francisco, not Mayberry.

« Last Edit: May 18, 2014, 06:45:02 PM by CecilBDmented »

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Offline DoYouKnowWhoIAm?

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Re: Yeah, but I'm not a lesbian,
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2014, 09:31:01 PM »
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2014, 09:32:26 PM by kafkod »

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Offline CecilBDmented

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Re: Many of the women working in FvsF are lesbian or bi
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2014, 10:52:16 PM »
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.

I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why  I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows.  That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional.  Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting?  Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport.  Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens.  They haven't even heard of ECC.  Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF?    How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming?  Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that  young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me.    I really  couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)
« Last Edit: May 18, 2014, 10:55:39 PM by CecilBDmented »

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Re: I knew it wouldn't last.
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 01:53:13 AM »
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.

I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why  I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows.  That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional.  Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting?  Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport.  Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens.  They haven't even heard of ECC.  Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF?    How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming?  Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that  young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me.    I really  couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)


You and I agreeing about anything, I mean.
Believe me, Cecil, I have no delusions about Foxycombat, Fightingdolls, or the trib girls. In order to have delusions about them, I would actually have to be thinking about them, which is something I never do.
You are correct in assuming that women outside of my immediate family do speak with me. Including my ex missus, unfortunately.
But I live in a different world to the shit pit you apparently crawl around. In my world, Ultimate Surrender is not in the forefront of anything, especially not the minds of the young women I talk to.
I’m quite up-front about my fetish, if the time and place is right, and several women I know have told me they would consider taking part in catfight/wrestling matches, if given the opportunity. But it wasn’t US type pornography they were talking about. I don't think any of the women I know would consider doing anything like that. As I said, my world is not your world, thank God.


« Last Edit: May 19, 2014, 01:55:33 AM by kafkod »

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Offline CecilBDmented

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Re: Hey - Not so quick there Senor K
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2014, 02:22:04 AM »
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.

I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why  I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows.  That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional.  Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting?  Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport.  Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens.  They haven't even heard of ECC.  Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF?    How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming?  Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that  young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me.    I really  couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)


You and I agreeing about anything, I mean.
Believe me, Cecil, I have no delusions about Foxycombat, Fightingdolls, or the trib girls. In order to have delusions about them, I would actually have to be thinking about them, which is something I never do.
You are correct in assuming that women outside of my immediate family do speak with me. Including my ex missus, unfortunately.
But I live in a different world to the shit pit you apparently crawl around. In my world, Ultimate Surrender is not in the forefront of anything, especially not the minds of the young women I talk to.
I’m quite up-front about my fetish, if the time and place is right, and several women I know have told me they would consider taking part in catfight/wrestling matches, if given the opportunity. But it wasn’t US type pornography they were talking about. I don't think any of the women I know would consider doing anything like that. As I said, my world is not your world, thank God.




Hold your horses Special K.  There's no reason to go ALL Hasty Pudding on this yet.  I believe we've both agreed that
  • Neither of us will ever buy any FvsF from Ultimate Surrender
  • Neither of us are interested in the type of FvsF they produce
  • There are living women (human women) outside of your immediate family who actually spoke with you.

I don't think that's bad for a start.  I'm sure the whole country agrees with you that San Francisco's North Beach is an absolute shit hole.  Just the other day we had to make a call to Seattle to ship some clouds over because there was so much sun outside. But for the sake of those of us who believe in confusing the issue with actual facts I'll share the following:

San Francisco 1st out of 20 best cities to live in US
http://realestate.msn.com/americas-20-best-cities#21

North Beach
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/North-Beach-voted-one-of-nation-s-10-best-2499493.php
http://blog.ongig.com/community/san-franciscos-best-startup-neighborhood
http://www.gadling.com/2007/09/27/north-beach-san-francisco-s-best-neighborhood/

What an absolute living hell! ;-)

Besides - if you and I start agreeing on things what might come next? Pesky World Peace?



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Re: Even San-Francisco has places the sun don't shine.
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2014, 02:35:57 AM »
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.

I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why  I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows.  That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional.  Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting?  Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport.  Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens.  They haven't even heard of ECC.  Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF?    How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming?  Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that  young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me.    I really  couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)


You and I agreeing about anything, I mean.
Believe me, Cecil, I have no delusions about Foxycombat, Fightingdolls, or the trib girls. In order to have delusions about them, I would actually have to be thinking about them, which is something I never do.
You are correct in assuming that women outside of my immediate family do speak with me. Including my ex missus, unfortunately.
But I live in a different world to the shit pit you apparently crawl around. In my world, Ultimate Surrender is not in the forefront of anything, especially not the minds of the young women I talk to.
I’m quite up-front about my fetish, if the time and place is right, and several women I know have told me they would consider taking part in catfight/wrestling matches, if given the opportunity. But it wasn’t US type pornography they were talking about. I don't think any of the women I know would consider doing anything like that. As I said, my world is not your world, thank God.




I believe we've both agreed that
  • Neither of us will ever buy any FvsF from Ultimate Surrender
  • Neither of us are interested in the type of FvsF they produce
  • There are living women (human women) outside of your immediate family who actually spoke with you.
I don't think that's bad for a start.  I'm sure the whole country agrees with your that San Francisco's North Beach is an absolute shit hole.  Just the other day we had to make a call to Seattle to ship some clouds in because there was so much sun outside. But for the sake of us who believe in confusing the issue with actual facts I'll share the following:

San Francisco 1st out of 20 best cities to live in US
http://realestate.msn.com/americas-20-best-cities#21

North Beach
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/North-Beach-voted-one-of-nation-s-10-best-2499493.php
http://blog.ongig.com/community/san-franciscos-best-startup-neighborhood





   ;)  My ex missus is not human, btw.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2014, 04:28:28 AM by kafkod »

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2014, 03:39:43 AM »
am I the only one who gets the clear impression cecil is someone associated with Ultimate surrender? which by the way is THE LOUSIEST SCRIPTED PIECE OF CRAP EVER TO HIT THE INTERNET. full stop

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Re: Yes DuVVus, you're the only one.
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2014, 05:41:24 AM »
am I the only one who gets the clear impression cecil is someone associated with Ultimate surrender? which by the way is THE LOUSIEST SCRIPTED PIECE OF CRAP EVER TO HIT THE INTERNET. full stop

Hah! Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm not clear on how accurate your reading comprehension skills are but I'm not trying to defend Ultimate Surrender.  In addition, they make enough money that they don't need to have someone like me shill for them.  We do share a couple of things in common though.  We both reside in San Francisco.  I'm in North Beach.  They're in the Mission.  I like FvsF.  They produce FvsF. Unfortunately not the type I find particularly appealing but nonetheless I still have interest in attending a couple of live shows before the year is out.  I seem to know quite a few dancers some of whom are bi or lesbian who have worked for or want to work for Ultimate Surrender.  Keep in mind that these guys have a company that employs quite a number of women.  

With headquarters in the Mission district they are smack dab in the center of lesbian central. When you think about it it makes great business sense.  Where else is a big-titted tattooed dyke going to make a quick buck playing grabass with another girl (or girls) right before she  slams/takes it doggie style?  I do have to disagree with one of your soon to be many inaccuracies.  US is not scripted.  It may not be to your liking (or mine) but I still believe in being accurate.  It may be repetitive as hell but there is nothing scripted about US. However, you're completely welcome to your opinion.  Whether or not you spend $ with them is of no concern to me.  They're still going to do big bucks with or without your approval.  I will say one thing though, I've dated some dancers in my time and I was working on this one young lady (sans tattoos) to go to my favorite brunch spot - Then I saw a US clip of her taking it up the ass from another girl.  I will admit it sucked an inordinate amount of the romance out of the idea I had about taking her out to Sunday brunch.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not a prude or anything but I'd just daydream about what she'd order when it was time for dessert.
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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2014, 10:09:06 AM »
Vendetta vs Ariel X from Ultimate Surrender was one of the hottest saga in our hobbie, a very well done work with two exciting girls and a big rivalry.

Probably the other girls and matches usually aren´t at the same level.

Many regards from Spain.

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2014, 04:55:47 PM »
Vendetta vs Ariel X from Ultimate Surrender was one of the hottest saga in our hobbie, a very well done work with two exciting girls and a big rivalry.

Probably the other girls and matches usually aren´t at the same level.

Many regards from Spain.

Thanks for weighing in on this Dario. I've heard a lot about Ariel X.  Her name is about as close as you come to "household" status with regards to FvsF superstars.  I've never seen any of her US action because I've never actually made it all the way through one of their matches (with some action between her and Dia Z being the exception). I'll see if I can check this offering out.  BTW if you don't mind sharing please tell me
  • What other FvsF vendors  do you enjoy watching?
  • What type of FvsF content do you like the best?

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Re: I HATE ultimate surrender
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2014, 01:15:20 AM »
everybody I ever talked to all hated ultimate surrender. and yeah their strategy of putting their stupid videos all over the internet on every site possible really backfired. now everybody hates them like people started hating microsoft and then apple. ultimate surrender is useless
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