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Cat fights in classics of literature

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Offline jondo53

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Cat fights in classics of literature
« on: July 10, 2014, 02:36:49 AM »
A member here quotes Shakespeare on their profile, which reminded me of how in Midsummer Nights Dream he had female characters having an argument with one wanting to fight it out, but the other girls afraid to fight. Pity! Anyway, here's their exchange,

Hermia challenges Helena,
And with her personage, her tall personage,
  Her height, forsooth, she hath prevail'd with him.
   And are you grown so high in his esteem;
 Because I am so dwarfish and so low?
How low am I, thou painted maypole? speak;
 How low am I? I am not yet so low
But that my nails can reach unto thine eyes


Helena replies,
I pray you, though you mock me, gentlemen,
Let her not hurt me: I was never curst;
I have no gift at all in shrewishness;
I am a right maid for my cowardice:
Let her not strike me. You perhaps may think,
Because she is something lower than myself,
That I can match her.


And as Hermia's anger is not abated Helena chickens out,
O, when she's angry, she is keen and shrewd!
She was a vixen when she went to school;
And though she be but little, she is fierce.
I will not trust you, I,
Nor longer stay in your curst company.
Your hands than mine are quicker for a fray,
My legs are longer though, to run away.


If Shakespeare had actually had the girls scrapping I imagine that would have excited the audience as much as a cat fight in a movie does today, but perhaps he was afraid of offending the sensibilities of the aristocracy and royalty. And it got me wondering if any pieces of classic literature did have cat fights.


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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 07:42:54 AM »
John Dryden wrote a play called "The Rival Ladies", where the 2 title characters have a verbal and physical catfight.

In Ariosto's "Orlando Furioso" and Spenser's "The Faerie Queene", two pairs of women knights have catfights.  Ariosto's is outstanding.

In Ovid's "Metamorphoses", Jupiter's jealous wife Juno is constantly tormenting the mortal women Jupiter sleeps with.

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2014, 10:53:52 AM »
i have read Emil Zolya novel of laundry women where two women got in catfight in laundry
fight like cats

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2014, 06:23:00 PM »
In "A Tale of Two Cities" there's a climatic catfight between Miss Pross and Madame Defarge.  Even Charles Dickens couldn't resist. 

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2014, 08:06:26 PM »
While the sport of boxing may have appeared in relief drawings in the 3rd millennium BC, and Homer (not Simpson) wrote about boxing in the oft-required reading "Iliad," give the British credit for putting some rules around the sport of punching people in the face.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana, 18th century Spanish philosopher

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2014, 12:08:17 AM »
There's more female fighting in old literature than I thought, even as far back as ancient Greece, I'll have to follow up the ones mentioned here. Must add that quite a few members of this forum express a liking for bitchy verbals before the fight, and returning to Shakespeare's Hermia, I don't think you can beat the insult she makes to Helena, calling her a "painted maypole!"

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2014, 01:05:33 AM »
I am not sure how sexy a cat fight in Shakespeare's plays might have been given no women were actually performing in them at the time  ;)
https://megforrest.blogspot.com/ used to post stuff there. You will have to log into goggle to see it

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2014, 02:03:42 AM »
I am not sure how sexy a cat fight in Shakespeare's plays might have been given no women were actually performing in them at the time  ;)

Good point! They'd have had to be creative.

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2014, 02:41:36 PM »
Here is the youtube video of the full comedy wrote by Carlo Goldoni "Le Baruffe Ciozzotte" ("The Brawls in Chioggia", Chioggia is a small town very close to Venice-Italy). The fight start at 1:20:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Qk_bZ-lxc

If you search for "goldoni" and  "baruffe" in google images you'll find some pretty pictures.
Carlo Goldoni wrote another comedy with a catfight, "Il Campiello" (it is the name of a small square in Venice) but I've no video of this.

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Offline CecilBDmented

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Re: An interesting parallel
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2014, 12:17:59 AM »
I am not sure how sexy a cat fight in Shakespeare's plays might have been given no women were actually performing in them at the time  ;)

Enlightening and ironic as it may be, Shakespeare and FCF may have more in common than originally suspected.  ;-)

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Re: An interesting parallel
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2014, 12:38:55 AM »
I am not sure how sexy a cat fight in Shakespeare's plays might have been given no women were actually performing in them at the time  ;)

Enlightening and ironic as it may be, Shakespeare and FCF may have more in common than originally suspected.  ;-)

And not only Shakespeare, but other classical authors. We're raising the cultural level of this forum. :)

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Re: An interesting parallel
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2014, 08:44:00 AM »
I am not sure how sexy a cat fight in Shakespeare's plays might have been given no women were actually performing in them at the time  ;)

Enlightening and ironic as it may be, Shakespeare and FCF may have more in common than originally suspected.  ;-)

I sure hope not since women on Renaissance stages were played by adolescent boys. Granted I admit some I have dealt with here do make more sense as adolescent boys but those have come from both genders  ;D
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Re: An interesting parallel
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 12:28:04 AM »
I am not sure how sexy a cat fight in Shakespeare's plays might have been given no women were actually performing in them at the time  ;)

Enlightening and ironic as it may be, Shakespeare and FCF may have more in common than originally suspected.  ;-)

LOL!

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Re: Cat fights in classics of literature
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 04:52:44 PM »
I should give credit to Yvonne, whose quote from the Bard inspired me to start this thread, You can see the words of Shakespeare on her profile, here,


http://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=27449

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Re: ;-) ;-) ;-)
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 03:46:57 PM »
I am not sure how sexy a cat fight in Shakespeare's plays might have been given no women were actually performing in them at the time  ;)

Enlightening and ironic as it may be, Shakespeare and FCF may have more in common than originally suspected.  ;-)

I sure hope not since women on Renaissance stages were played by adolescent boys. Granted I admit some I have dealt with here do make more sense as adolescent boys but those have come from both genders  ;D

;)  ;)  :D