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Critique of apartmentwrestlers.com - What are you comments and criticisms?

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Offline saturox

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Hi Everyone. I'm Saturo X, the head of media for Apartment Championship Wrestling (apartmentwrestlers.com). First I want to thank everyone for their support and patronage over the years. In an ongoing effort to improve the site and the viewer experience I'd like to ask for your opinions on the site overall.

How do you feel about the look and feel?

1. What  makes you want to visit the site or what makes you not want to visit?

2. What about our presentation makes you want to purchase a video or what would make you not want to?

3. I would appreciate any serious input, whether it is complimentary or critical.

Thank you very much,

Saturo X
apartmentwrestlers.com

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Katie Anderson - Apartment Championship Wrestling Champion
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 07:44:20 PM by saturox »

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Offline DoYouKnowWhoIAm?

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I have checked out your site before but didn't go back because it's obviously scripted material you are selling and I only buy unscripted "real" fights nowadays.
The girls you film look very nice though, and if you ever decide to throw away the scripts and ask them to go at it for real - either catfights or wrestling matches, in whatever clothing or lack of clothing the ladies are happy with  -I would definitely consider buying from you.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 08:14:38 PM by kafkod »

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I've gone to the site before and, personally, I'm not a fan of the product.  Like kafkod mentioned, it's all scripted and nothing, at least it appears so, is real.  I'd much rather have something real and competitive than fake and scripted.  It seems like y'all try to be pro wrestling oriented with the scripts and story lines.  I believe there is a market for that, but I think that market is for an actual pro wrestling company.  Apartment style wrestling has a place, fans, and is a great find.  I do like that y'all have championship title belts.  I think that is a great idea.  To answer your questions though...

1. What makes me want to visit the site:  just the fact of apartment style wrestling. 
    What makes me not want to visit the site:  I know that it's all scripted.

2. What about your presentation makes me want to buy a video:  N/A
    What makes me not want to buy a video:  appears very cheesy and fake.

I think this could be very prosperous for y'all and I hope y'all are currently doing well and continue to do well in the future.  I just believe the focus of the presentation and the product that is produced needs to be tweaked.

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Offline saturox

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Thanks kafkod.

I understand what you're saying. The reason we do the scripted, non-combative is because most of the girls are models or strippers and wouldn't consider engaging in actual fight. We were originally emulating the old apartment wrestling magazine approach, hence the action always occurring in an apartment or hotel. I'll keep your suggestions in mind. Thanks again.

I have checked out your site before but didn't go back because it's obviously scripted material you are selling and I only buy unscripted "real" fights nowadays.
The girls you film look very nice though, and if you ever decide to throw away the scripts and ask them to go at it for real - either catfights or wrestling matches, in whatever clothing or lack of clothing the ladies are happy with  -I would definitely consider buying from you.

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Offline saturox

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Thanks for your response ofecteau. I'll have to check out FC/DS/Battle Rocket.

Not sure about your last thought. I'm not showing off the site asking ain't it neat. The site is 15 years old and we have been selling videos for fourteen years. Early on as one of the early sites we were enjoying a very good business. Recently, earnings have slowed and I thought I would ask in this for for suggestions or critiques. SOmetimes when you're too close to your own product, you can't see what needs tweaking so that's why I am asking.

I still appreciate older videos. The Joan Wise stuff holds up over time, as does Cal Wildcats and Academy until the departure of Hannah.

But today and for the last few years, as to new material, I buy exclusively from Central Europe (FC and FD) and Japan (Battle Rocket). To me, they are BMW and Lexus of the industry.
 
That said, your post and your site came across to me as a guy showing off his restored 1969 Rambler American station wagon and asking, " Whaddya think? Ain't she a peach?"

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Offline saturox

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Thanks PolarBear. We when we started out we were actually trying to make an online version of the apartment house wrestling magazine shoots. WIth pro wrestling, you are very limited in being able to show nudity, etc, and for the girls that we could find who were attractive and would pose nude, they wouldn't consider real wrestling, because of their other careers. The championship belts came in later. There are so many levels of cat fighting now (scripted, semi-competitive, non-scripted) that tastes have changed and shifted. I'm just trying to assess the market for our type. Thanks for the critique!

Saturo

It seems like y'all try to be pro wrestling oriented with the scripts and story lines.  I believe there is a market for that, but I think that market is for an actual pro wrestling company.  Apartment style wrestling has a place, fans, and is a great find.  I do like that y'all have championship title belts.  I think that is a great idea.  To answer your questions though...
I think this could be very prosperous for y'all and I hope y'all are currently doing well and continue to do well in the future.  I just believe the focus of the presentation and the product that is produced needs to be tweaked.

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Offline CecilBDmented

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Re: I commend you for requesting feedback.
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 09:19:04 AM »
Hi Everyone. I'm Saturo X, the head of media for Apartment Championship Wrestling (apartmentwrestlers.com). First I want to thank everyone for their support and patronage over the years. In an ongoing effort to improve the site and the viewer experience I'd like to ask for your opinions on the site overall.

How do you feel about the look and feel?

1. What  makes you want to visit the site or what makes you not want to visit?

2. What about our presentation makes you want to purchase a video or what would make you not want to?

3. I would appreciate any serious input, whether it is complimentary or critical.

Thank you very much,

Saturo X
apartmentwrestlers.com

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Katie Anderson - Apartment Championship Wrestling Champion



Of course women that look like the women you're featuring aren't going to engage in any type of 'real' fight action that might leave them disfigured or affect their marketability.  Even your most simpering retarded dimwitted moronic FvsF fan should be able to appreciate that.  However, if you're going to do staged FvsF, it really works in your favor if you can 'sell' the action much more convincingly than your current attempts.  Rasslin Gal productions is staged but the breast and crotch grabbing action is done so amazingly well that it makes the product very attractive. I've included a link to their site and if you're interested I'll share a couple of links to their videos.  You have very attractive women who should be able to pull something like this off with a little bit of direction and some minor adjustments. I'd be happy to go into depth and detail if you're interested. I guarantee you that small change would be met with much enthusiasm from fans and move your product much more quickly.  At present I can't find anything on your site that I would find appealing to what I'm interested in seeing in FvsF.

Let's be real - You're not going to compete with the Europeans.  They've put out a spectacular product that no one can touch at the moment.  You don't have the human talent or the human resources to even attempt making a product that remotely compares to what 'they' do. As luck would have it, you don't have to. If you make small adjustments in the way you stage your FvsF you 'can' make a product as appealing as or even more-so to something like RasslinGal.  Their production is staged but it's done so much better than what you're doing, which is stretched out so thin you can see right through it. When that happens it's almost impossible to talk a product up because anything you'd say would just sound like Saran Rap.  My suggestions is to forget about the fake leg bends and all the pro-style hystrionics and focus on extreme breast and crotch grabbing action (like RasslingGals).  The women will not be any danger of being injured and you will attract a larger FvsF audience. 


The link to Rasslin Gals is:
http://www.raslingal.com/home.html
The link to the matches I'm referencing featuring breast and crotch grabbing is below:
http://www.leather-lace.com/cgi-bin/videosDL.cgi?view_group=1&ID=*&Category=R&sb=1&so=descend

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Offline wifefight46

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I agree with CecilbDemented about the catfight tactics and the European companies.  You, however, have a great advantage over many of those production companies because of the language barrier.  Most of the sites with the best action feature women who speak German, Spanish, Portuguese, or Japanese.  Dialogue, believe it or not, is extremely important, especially at the end of the fight.  The submission is the money shot and hearing the loser scream her submission and beg for mercy is the climax.  These scenes are about the humiliation of losing to another woman, not about wrestling moves.  Some post match humiliation (like face sitting) also adds to the appeal.

You also mentioned that your original idea was to emulate the action in the old apartment wrestling magazines.  A large portion of this fan base are also fans of those magazines, as well as Cavalier and Nugget.  Having a few girls with some pubic hair probably would not hurt being that so many of us are old school.  This is one of the reasons I have not been back after my first couple of purchases.  A little pubic hair pulling can go a long way toward attracting the most devout customers.  This is also why I prefer well acted scripted fights.  It is very difficult to convince models to do this for real, and in a real fight the opportunity does not always arise.  Also the tap outs in real fights tend to be quick and sometimes silent.  It is the humiliation, begging and taunting that we are after.  To sum up - Nude, Humiliating, Bush, Catfight Tactics. 

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Offline DJP60

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I have bought A C W material and I/we r happy with it.
I have an interest in female
hooligans fights too as well as Russian girl gang fights!!
i also pay entertainers to fight 1 another and i get photos of them here in Las Vegas Nv Sabrina is now 6-1 Yes i pay strippers to fight each other for $$.

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Re: I commend you for requesting feedback.
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 03:19:02 AM »
Hi Cecil. Thanks a lot for the constructive insights. I will take a look at the Rasslin Gal footage. It's always good to look at the competition, especially one that is highly thought of.

Regards,

Saturo




Of course women that look like the women you're featuring aren't going to engage in any type of 'real' fight action that might leave them disfigured or affect their marketability.  Even your most simpering retarded dimwitted moronic FvsF fan should be able to appreciate that.  However, if you're going to do staged FvsF, it really works in your favor if you can 'sell' the action much more convincingly than your current attempts.  Rasslin Gal productions is staged but the breast and crotch grabbing action is done so amazingly well that it makes the product very attractive. I've included a link to their site and if you're interested I'll share a couple of links to their videos.  You have very attractive women who should be able to pull something like this off with a little bit of direction and some minor adjustments. I'd be happy to go into depth and detail if you're interested. I guarantee you that small change would be met with much enthusiasm from fans and move your product much more quickly.  At present I can't find anything on your site that I would find appealing to what I'm interested in seeing in FvsF.

Let's be real - You're not going to compete with the Europeans.  They've put out a spectacular product that no one can touch at the moment.  You don't have the human talent or the human resources to even attempt making a product that remotely compares to what 'they' do. As luck would have it, you don't have to. If you make small adjustments in the way you stage your FvsF you 'can' make a product as appealing as or even more-so to something like RasslinGal.  Their production is staged but it's done so much better than what you're doing, which is stretched out so thin you can see right through it. When that happens it's almost impossible to talk a product up because anything you'd say would just sound like Saran Rap.  My suggestions is to forget about the fake leg bends and all the pro-style hystrionics and focus on extreme breast and crotch grabbing action (like RasslingGals).  The women will not be any danger of being injured and you will attract a larger FvsF audience. 


The link to Rasslin Gals is:
http://www.raslingal.com/home.html
The link to the matches I'm referencing featuring breast and crotch grabbing is below:
http://www.leather-lace.com/cgi-bin/videosDL.cgi?view_group=1&ID=*&Category=R&sb=1&so=descend


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Offline saturox

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Thanks TW. Excellent points and exactly the kind of suggestions what I was looking for. A few of my girls starred in adult movies specifically aimed at having bushes down there. Two of them were scheduled for a match and both bragged about how many fans they have of their bushes. So of course they showed up "Shaved" and said oops, I forgot. I get what you're saying about the humiliation finish, more of a psychological defeat than an athletic defeat. Will incorporate more of this into the matches (although most, if not all, of our girls are shaved down there).

Thanks again,

Saturo.

I agree with CecilbDemented about the catfight tactics and the European companies.  You, however, have a great advantage over many of those production companies because of the language barrier.  Most of the sites with the best action feature women who speak German, Spanish, Portuguese, or Japanese.  Dialogue, believe it or not, is extremely important, especially at the end of the fight.  The submission is the money shot and hearing the loser scream her submission and beg for mercy is the climax.  These scenes are about the humiliation of losing to another woman, not about wrestling moves.  Some post match humiliation (like face sitting) also adds to the appeal.

You also mentioned that your original idea was to emulate the action in the old apartment wrestling magazines.  A large portion of this fan base are also fans of those magazines, as well as Cavalier and Nugget.  Having a few girls with some pubic hair probably would not hurt being that so many of us are old school.  This is one of the reasons I have not been back after my first couple of purchases.  A little pubic hair pulling can go a long way toward attracting the most devout customers.  This is also why I prefer well acted scripted fights.  It is very difficult to convince models to do this for real, and in a real fight the opportunity does not always arise.  Also the tap outs in real fights tend to be quick and sometimes silent.  It is the humiliation, begging and taunting that we are after.  To sum up - Nude, Humiliating, Bush, Catfight Tactics. 

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Hi Babybro. These are great suggestions, especially the squash matches. To be honest, I should have done this a number of times before with some of the girls who were hopelessly bad wrestlers that I should have had the there girl squash them again and again instead of trying to make it competitive. It would have saved a lot of time and frustration.

Some of the girls got better with experience with selling but they are flaky and often quit stripping/modeling/wrestling after a while and I have to bring in a whole new batch of girls so it's back to the drawing board.

I will keep in mind the KO. If you have more suggestions they would be appreciated either here or at saturoxavier@gmail.com .

Thanks,

Saturo


Hmm, I'd say I would be a better response than many of the individuals here as the individual who primarily post in this board prefers real life competitive while I'm a buyer who only purchase scripted fantasy based material such as dt wrestling, ringshopdivas, sleeperkidsworld and etc. so I would be more of the targeted market you're looking after.

I have went to your sites a few times to be honest and I've been relatively hesitant towards trying out a product for a few reasons.

1) The girls appear to lack selling capabilities. Which is absolutely crucial for scripted wrestling.  The greats like hollywood, cali logan, sumiko from sleeperkids, became popular because they sold a beatdown so well it was completely sexy, primarily due to the submissive attitude behind selling.
These girls punch and you can barely tell they are punching each other, their's no substance to the fighting. And especially with your company leaning towards wrestling, it's even more important that you have girls who can sell punches.

2) Variety of Matches. One thing that's very popular among scripted fantasy based matches are squash matches, where one's a complete jobber and the other just dominates. Again, this is sexy but all of your matches seem to be with two evenly match opponents which is great some of time, but some variety like squash matches will bring in those that wants to see someone clearly dominate the entire match. This is what made prostyle fantasies so popular because almost every match had a jobber/dominant aspect behind it.

3) Ko's, KO's are extremely popular in scripted matches, where most want to see the woman standing tall over a completed defeated and obliterated woman. The fact that I couldn't find a video description that stated ko ending was one of the main things that kept me away. So if your matches do end in KO's, I highly suggest to place that in the description.

These are just a few critiques as I have many more, but I hope this helps.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 02:07:36 PM »
Thank you for the kind words Emperor Oba. As always I value your opinion. I'll have to check out some Napoli videos.

Saturo




I, too, agree with Mr. Cecil's assessment; 100%. In addition to what he had mentioned, for example, the wrestling moves (i.e. extreme breasts and crotch grabbing, etc.), I would still keep the pro style moves (with care); including the leg bends. Again, as I mentioned before, whatever you do, please do NOT convert from staged to (I.R.L.) real life cat fighting.  If you do, these well respected models and adult film stars who work for you, will NOT be around for long. Again, I must emphasize recruiting more talent once you are financially able to bring more in.

 As far as the DVD sales, I have ordered and enjoyed your DVD's. Me, being both an apartment house wrestling fan and a big breasted Tit-fighting fan, apartment championship wrestling (A.C.W.) and Napali Video are my very favorites; but (A.C.W.) is #1 for me when it comes to the sport of professional apartment wrestling. I do like the other apartment wrestling studio promotions; but [(#1)(A.C.W)]; #2) Napali Video #3) SistaFight Flix, #4) Maidens of Mayhem and etc. You should really push to improve your DVD output by putting more of your apartment wrestlers out there.(i.e. DVD volume on Megan Jones and etc.). Hang in there. You have my support; as well as from the other fans :).



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Offline saturox

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Thanks DJP60. I'm glad to hear that.

Regards,

Saturo

I have bought A C W material and I/we r happy with it.