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Women's Pro Wrestling - My Pet Peeves

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Women's Pro Wrestling - My Pet Peeves
« on: October 13, 2014, 02:41:53 AM »
When surfing Youtube or Dailymotion, one can find a lot of women’s pro wrestling material.  Some is vintage (black and white), other stuff comes from the 80’s and 90’s and is in color, and there is plenty of stuff from the old LPWA, the WWF and more recently the WWE.  I’ve always liked women’s pro wrestling simply because it involves two women who are, to some extent, supposed to be wrestling.  Granted, the matches are choreographed and there is little, if any, real body to body contact, but it takes me back to my youth, when we had few options available to enjoy.  So, I’ll  always be a fan.

I have a theory that we guys who love to watch women wrestle have a strong fantasy about having sexual relations with one or both of the women involved.  Judging by most of the comments left on Youtube or Dailmotion, I think that I’m on to something.  But there are things in pro wrestling that simply turn me off.  Here’s my list:

1.   Blood - Can’t stand to see a woman bleed, even if the blood is phony.  Nothing sexy there.  Major league turn-off.
2.   Face Paint – The Japanese women paint their faces to look hideous, then coif equally monstrous hair-do’s.  Maybe there’s something cultural to this and I don’t get it.  But, frankly I don’t care.  I don’t like it.  I can’t imagine myself being with a woman who looks more freakish than the kids who show up on my porch on Halloween. 
3.   Masks – Really?  This is quite common in Latin America, and that’s a real shame, because I find Latinas to be really hot.  I loved wrestlers like Irma Gonzalez, Rita Cortez, Lola Gonzalez and Olga Martinez.  Fortunately they never hid their beauty behind a mask.  Besides, much of the allure of watching two women wrestle is to see their faces and their hair --- ah, the hair!  Whether the hair is being pulled as part of the match, or is askew after a lock-up (Debbie Combs had this down to a science), it’s a vital part of any match that I’m watching.  Masks don’t add any mystery; they simply detract from the spectacle.
4.   Body Suits – Whether they cover the entire body or just the legs, body suits hide the charms (and curves) that make women special.  I once turned off a match where one of the women looked like a refugee from a Power Rangers movie and I took a hammer to a DVD that I had just purchased, where Leilani Kai was wearing one.  Most disappointing!
5.   Power Moves – A power move is fine if it’s used as a closing move, but today’s WWE matches are nothing more than one power move after another.  I’d much prefer to watch two women who are really selling the wrestling in their match, that is, creating the illusion that they actually ARE wrestling.  Check out some of the old black and white stuff and you get an idea of what I’m talking about.

Well, that’s my list, and I feel a whole lot better.  Thanks for reading. 

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Re: Women's Pro Wrestling - My Pet Peeves
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2014, 08:35:05 AM »
Any comment on "backstage" stuff like Tori Wilson vs Victoria, Trish Stratus vs Lita, and Sable vs Stephanie McMahon?

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 09:14:28 AM »
I am going to bed , will reply when I wake up or come back to this site , I can go on for  LONG , LONG , LONG TIME on this issue , but so far 110% agree on blood , masks , & body suits
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 06:36:19 PM »
When it comes to pet peeves in women's wrestling these days , the list is wrong , pretty much everything about it peeves me these days , anyone remember this childrens toy ? it is a sphere , blue on one half & red on the other , on each side are yellow handles that you can pull the toy open so out drops yellow shapes & all over this sphere , there are yellow outlines of shapes that a child can learn shapes & dexterity & all that & the object of course is to get the shapes back inside by putting them in the proper holds , circle into circle , star into star & if the child tries to put the star into the plus shape hole , IT IS NOT GOING IN , every detail when it comes womens wrestling these days IS A SHAPE & all these powers that be have NO CLUE on how to put the shapes back inside the ball , they make it work by pulling the toy open by the handles & just dropping all the shapes back in at the same time & say " see , they are all back in so all is well " in my opinion , THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO GET IT DONE , women's wrestling has been around for how long ? , anybosy really know ? what somewhere between 60 to 80 years now perhaps ? it is 2014 & women's wrestling is YES , STILL A SPECIAL ATTRACTION , the WWE let's us know that the following match is a " Divas " match , Impact Wrestling follows suit with letting us know we are seeing a " Knockouts " match & all the other indy feds let us know that the following match is a " Ladies " match , thank you to ALL the Captain Obvious's out there , without you telling us , we would of never known , " Geez , why does these guys look so feminine " & also to this , for those who think women's wrestling is a-ok & has arrived , answer me this , here in the United Stated , tell me on what channel that every cable system has , a normal channel like USA network , which I even saw when over in England a few weeks ago , or channels like TBS or FOX , which day , which time , & what channel can I tune in to see or tape an ALL WOMEN'S WRESTLING SHOW & the answer is , THERE IS NONE , IT IS 2014 & THERE ARE NONE .

But this is pet peeves right , but again all that is done is a pet peeve to me , so let's get started shall we .
(1) Pet Peeve # 1 - complete & absolute lopsidedness of the good girls winning the matches , seems to me like the good girls win something INSANE like 89 out of every 100 matches , it would be better if the heels won 89 out of every 100 , but it should not be that way , is a 50/50 split too much to ask for ? , apparantly the answer is a huGe ' YES "
(2) Pet Peeve # 2 - lack of squash matches , while not totally extinct , it is an endangered species these days in women's wrestling
(3) Pet Peeve # 3 - Respecting the veterans & youngsters paying their dues - where is this in women's wrestling ? ,  it DOES NOT EXIST , a promoter doing a student show will have we will call her , Cute Cassandra in a match again let's say , Lei Lani Kai , & while Lei Lani has like 40 years of experience , not too mention like 6 inches & 60 pounds on Cassandra , this also would be Cassandra's 4th career match , & knows just enough to be in match to get ring experience & the only holds &/or moves she can do is drop toe holds , arm bars , headlocks , snap mares , bodylams , cross body blocks , & drop kicks , WRESTLING 101 stuff , just look at this locker room scenario before the match when the promoter is going over what he wants done in the match & will be interupted by Lei Lani who say slet me guess here out of the blue (1) I have to dial it down what I do 85% because she is not even in this solar system yet to really be in the ring with someone like myself yet (2) I am still also going to have to dictate THE ENTIRE MATCH  (3) be aware of what moves & holds I can do to her since she is limited in that area , I have been irish whippe doff the ropes thousands upon thousands of times in my caree & she is still not even close to being taught that yet (4) at the same time to boot , I have to be aware of EVERYTHING that she does because if something gets f***ed up in there & the fans shout " you f***ed up " , even if it is 1 illion percent her fault & issue , she get's the free pass beacuse it was wrong of you to put her in a match against some one like myself at this early stage of her career & while she gets the free pass , I get me ass chewed out since " I should of known better & seen it coming " (5) although what little she can do is pathetic & weak looking , I am going to have to sell that it is having some effect on me & finally (6) when all is said & done " what a shocking stunning upset victory " you will still through all that shit want me to lose to her & the answer from the promoter would be " HOW DID YOU KNOW ? " -SAD PART IS , THIS IS 110% TRUE & HAPPENS EVERYWHERE
(4) Pet Peeve # 4 - size , strength & experience MEANS NOTHING , this goes with all of the 1st 3 peeves , perfect example of this is above , Lei Lani Kai vs Cute Cassandra , just think , since Cassandra is a college student doing this to maybe earn some money but at least stay in shape compared to what this IS WHAT Lei Lani has done for a living for a long time , this match would be an easy way to take care of the 1st 3 issues & improve on the things I have been talking about , Lei Lani the heel vs Cute Cassandra if done right , look at what you have (1) A Heel Victory (2) A Squash , yes , a squash match (3) Lei Lani gets the respect she deserves by easily squashing the rookie while yes , (4) Cute Cassandra , as cute as she is learns that she has to " pay her dues "   sad part again , IT DOES NOT MATTER , WHO IS THE GOOD GIRL & WHO IS TH EHEEL MATTERS ONLY
(5) Pet Peeve # 5 - who is good & who is bad - quick example here , Impact Wrestling as of right now , The Beautiful , Brittany  & the not so beautiful ODB , it should be BEAUTY VS BEAST in women's wrestling with beauty as the good girl & the beast as the heel , the way it is in Impact Wrestling as of now , Brittany is a heel while ODB is a face & say you have an indy show where you have an up & comer in Taeler Hemdrix in the ring against some one like say , Jazz , Jazz made a great heel in the WWE & yes , while she has the name , she would still be best used as the heel against Taeler , not Taeler as the heel who dominates Jazz mostly but in the end , Jazz makes Taeler submit & to what , make the crowd of 300 , 200 of which are small kids yell " yeah , the good girl won again " 
(6) Pet Peve # 6 - Ring Attire - I also think ring attire is important , I hate full body costumes , I see some rather gorgeous woman wearing some god awful ugly things in the ring , I could go on for a long time on this one , but let me use this an an example , Trish Stratus & Torrie Wilson , both beautiful , young , & have smoking ass bodie s, before wrestling , they were bikini / lingerie models , still could of been while wrestling , & both still could be NOW , but Trish NEVER wore an outfit befitting her hot body & Torrie Wilson for a while did not wear anyhting flattering either , she wore pants & a top & only some of her arms were showing since she also wore elbow pads , it was only during the last 1/2 of her carrer did she start wearing nice stuff , but look at this example , the WWE is in Columbia , South Carolina , home of the Fabulous Moolah & her bestest pal , Mae Young ( let's pretend they are still both alive & well ) in a special " Divas Tga match " the geriatric team of Moolah & Mae Yong will be facing the Blonde Bombshells , Trish & Torrie & just going by what Moolah & Mae always wore & going by what Trish always wore & Torrie in the 1st half of her career , Moolah & Mae Young , who were a combined like 120 years older then their lingerie / bikini model opponents , Moolah & Mae WOULD OF BEEN SHOWING MORE SKIN - THIS IS 100% TRUE - SAD , ISN'T IT - is this the twilight zone we live in here ?
(7) Pet Peeve # 7 - Masks - yes , along the lines of ring attire still , I am not a fan of women wearing masks , unless it is a powerful heel or at least a heel , masked good girls do nothing for me as well
(8) Pet Peeve # 8 - Hair vs Mask Matches - while we are on this subject , I know it is part of latino cluture or mexican culture when it comes to their companies , I watch CMLL & every 3 to 5 shows , they will have the luchdoras ( women ) in the ring , a bunch wear masks &  I can't help bu thtink , " what do they really look like under there ? , are they really pretty , are they decent looking , or not that great on the eye ?  " there is a women known as Sexy Star who wrestles in a mexican fed  AAA , I saw a video of her in her locker room pr ematch one day & it showed her without a mask & she is GORGEOUS , why she hides that with a mask is a crying shame , but in this CMLL , they have several great looking ladies , some are thick I would say , not fat , thick I would call them , they have one,  Luna Magica who is one of thos e, with long hair , she is adorable though , saw her in a match one day with short hair , her cuteness was gone & she was just a porker at that time , Amapola , a multi time champ also has a thick body & all I can say , sh elooks better with longer hair than short as she has lost numerous hair vs mask matches , I saw a women named Dalllys , not a thick girl , she is tall & sexy , but th elast time I saw he r, they use her as a Ruda now (heel ) she had short hair & oh boy , there is no sexiness to her at all & lasttly , a veteran , Princessa Blanca , who does herself no justice with he rring attire either , she has that thick body type also , but she is beautiful , but has been used as a Ruda for a long time now , but recently , she lost a hair vs mask match & with one slip of the scissors , taking a big strand of locks from her , & instantly , her sex appeal wa sgone & it got worse as they used the electronic razor to shave her further
(9) Pet Peeve # 9 - Ring Music - trivial , yes , but how many women can we take coming out to mostly the same 5 or 6 songs " Rockstar " by Pink seems to be the #1 overall choice & on the country side as an example , to show you that it has some merit , Brittany from IMpact Wrestling is a great example of this issue as for the longest time , most knew her as Santana Garrett , who came out to a country song , don't know the name , but some of the lyrics are " She's a Ragun Cajun , A real Slamma Jamma from South Alabama " South Alabama , so why are we being introduced as being from Orlando , Florida , ALABAMA & FLORIDA ARE 2 DIFFERENT STATES THERE SANTANA   
(10 Pet Peeve # 10 - Finishers -something that I can go on about all day , but let's make this short (1) message to all promoters big & small " ROLL UPS ARE A HUGE F***ING LAME LAME LAME way to end a match , this includes , small packages , inside cradles , high cross body blocks or roll throughs on them with the holding of trunks or ropes , oklahoma roll s, victory rolls , & also includes gooing for a monkey toos where the intended tossee holds onto the ropes , the one going for it hits th emat , pretty much the good girl , & the heel uses the ropes for leverage which the ref does not see of course for the 1-2-3 , or the suplex from the outside to the inside that sees a leg grabbed , the girl who was going to be suplexed in falling onto the suplexer , mostly a good girl as well , & the good girls kicks furiously for escape but can't since a partner or manager is holding their foot , but basically ANYTHING where the girl who is pinned is quick to get up to gripe to the ref , she IS NOT HURT AT ALL & THAT IS LAME , LAME , LAME , but when it comes to normal finishers , HEY EVERYBODY - CAN WE PLEASE DO BETTER THAN FACEBUSTERS & VARIATIONS THEREOF , can't tell you how many matches I watch on YOUTUBE where the match is won with a Facebuster or a variation thereof & yes , most are victories by the good girl for the record ( Pet Peeve # 1 ) & over in Japan , I don't know what the obsession is with the German Suplex , I'm watching a " falls count anywhere Hardcore match " & see an undersized women facing a bigger heel & during this battle which the smaller girl takes alot , she also gives & contantly kicking out of pins , oh wai t, this is japan , bridging out , don't know why , the bridging out is annoying to me like those slap hitters in women's softball , stay still & swing the bat like a real person , but what is with this bridging out , but I see the smaller girl through this hellacious match . ger Powerbombed , Chokeslammed , put through a table , Hung from a cord off the side of the stage , get her head crushed in a door frame in the back , get hit by a speeding car in parking lot , get a 5 ton wardrobe chest dropped on her in the nack again , get thrown into the jumbotron which explodes & sees her stuck to it being electrocuted until power is shut off where she is on the ground twitching with smoke coming from her body & back in the ring , she gets tombstoned from the top rope onto the ring bell , eyt it still not enough to put her down & she still make syet another comeback until she misses a moves , takes the German Suplex & that is all she wrote , 1-2-3  , a glorified suplex is a bigger move than an electracution , being hit by a car , hung , or piledrived onto a ring bell that means
As mentioned though , not a fan of bloodshed in matches , it does nothing for me & as you can read here , there is almost everything that Peeves me when it comes to women's wrestling , there might be 1 or 2 other small things I forgot , but hasn't this gone on long enough ?
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Re: Women's Pro Wrestling - My Pet Peeves
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2014, 03:41:30 AM »
I hate to see pants on a women!  A nice outfit that hides my number one pet peeve- Tattoos.

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2014, 05:54:03 PM »
did say I might of forgotten 1 or 2 things & Tattoos are 1 of them , not a fan AT ALL , nothing ruins the moment more than seeing a sexy woman with a big visible tattoo , Velvet Sky for example , even with her back tramp stamp & her stupid barb wire strand on her arm , still was perfectly A-OK with her & now she has that big tattoo on her arm , can care less about seeing her anymore & her partner , Angel Williams ,sexy lady also , but never cared about her with her tattoos& oh yes , let's not forget about that stupid tongue piercing of hers , piercings also by the way I truly hate as well , Mercedes Martinez , lovely lady , she has stuff on her eye lids , nose , & lips , YUCK , why all these women need these ugly tattoos is beyond me , they say they ae being themselves , but since everybody else is getting them , seems like they are not too me , & I am serious when I say this , SOME OF THESE WOMEN NEEDED THAT FIRST TATTOO LIKE WE NEED A TERRORIST IN THIS WORLD , at least they are not a threat to humans at least , just sore on your eyes , DOES NOT MAKE THEM EVIL like the latter mentioned scum of the earth , but if I were to order a custom match , I would every time chose as my victim a woman who has NO tattoos at all every time unless the tattoo is small & easily hidden ,.
I have been backed up on this issue before & ripped by tattoo fans before , all is free to like what they like & I am friends with a lot of people that have them , but when it comes to women's pro wrestling , I can't get into the girls that have them , ones that stick out like sore thumbs
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Re: Women's Pro Wrestling - My Pet Peeves
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2014, 07:40:13 PM »
How does Sable measure up against these criteria?  I'm thinking pretty well.

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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2014, 10:59:07 PM »
How does Sable measure up against these criteria?  I'm thinking pretty well.
Better ring attire would of been nice , a t-shirt saying Sable Bomb is a lame thing for someone like her
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2014, 12:32:16 AM »
Just to pick up on fans thoughts on the craze for body art,there is good reason for this with the girls who appear on your tv.Mainly it is an attempt by a promoter to make the posers and silicone sisters look like those tough girls of a time gone by.
What we see on tv here in the U.K.comes through Sky Television and between all the posing an actual bout takes up less time than the adverts!!!

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2014, 01:53:27 AM »
You've hit on two more things that drive me bonkers.  (Please notice there IS a "k" in the last word of the previous sentence.)

One is tattoos.  I simply can't stand them.  I realize that it's largely a generational thing, but my generation associates tats with Popeye and WWII vets from the Pacific Theater.  I don't either of them very sexy.

Thanks Klaus for reminding me about the extended "build up" to a short-lived match.  The entrances and pre-match ring-climbing take up twice as much time as the actual match.  What a waste!

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2014, 03:52:54 AM »
You've hit on two more things that drive me bonkers.  (Please notice there IS a "k" in the last word of the previous sentence.)

One is tattoos.  I simply can't stand them.  I realize that it's largely a generational thing, but my generation associates tats with Popeye and WWII vets from the Pacific Theater.  I don't either of them very sexy.

Thanks Klaus for reminding me about the extended "build up" to a short-lived match.  The entrances and pre-match ring-climbing take up twice as much time as the actual match.  What a waste!
As far as the ring time thing goes , I NO LONGER watch WWE programming , after they had the Undertaker lose at WrestleMania , a complete injustice to him for all he did , a streak that should of NEVER ended & a streak that should of been on the line at WrestleMania in his retirement match where he emerged victorious , and factor in they had him lose to someone who is not even classified as a wrestler anymore made me DISOWN THE WWE , but when it came to the ladies , there was a time there where the matches were wastes of time even though they took no time , they would have 6 vs. 6 tag matches that took less than a minute & you would see Alicia Fox in consecutive weeks lose in about 30 to 40 seconds . & that was a women who was the champ 3 to 4 weeks earlier , and they did the same thing with Melina , she returned from injury , was made a good girl , could not be defeated in any match , won the belt , turned heel , & soon after losing the belt , she also was being defeated in about 30 seconds by the WWE's Diva flavor of the quarter , way too go WWE , way to give credibility to all your divas , they are so tough that multi time champions can be defeated in less than a minute & for the record , your longest ever reigning Diva's champion is a little girl who skips , that's right - SKIPS
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2015, 11:42:11 PM »
Love old school women wrestling , the swimsuit one piece look its what i love watching ! like a good bout dont like it to one sided , wish the knock outs would dress old school it would be great . so thats my tuppence worth lol

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2015, 07:56:25 AM »

(3) Pet Peeve # 3 - Respecting the veterans & youngsters paying their dues - where is this in women's wrestling ? ,  it DOES NOT EXIST , a promoter doing a student show will have we will call her , Cute Cassandra in a match again let's say , Lei Lani Kai , & while Lei Lani has like 40 years of experience , not too mention like 6 inches & 60 pounds on Cassandra , this also would be Cassandra's 4th career match , & knows just enough to be in match to get ring experience & the only holds &/or moves she can do is drop toe holds , arm bars , headlocks , snap mares , bodylams , cross body blocks , & drop kicks , WRESTLING 101 stuff , just look at this locker room scenario before the match when the promoter is going over what he wants done in the match & will be interupted by Lei Lani who say slet me guess here out of the blue (1) I have to dial it down what I do 85% because she is not even in this solar system yet to really be in the ring with someone like myself yet (2) I am still also going to have to dictate THE ENTIRE MATCH  (3) be aware of what moves & holds I can do to her since she is limited in that area , I have been irish whippe doff the ropes thousands upon thousands of times in my caree & she is still not even close to being taught that yet (4) at the same time to boot , I have to be aware of EVERYTHING that she does because if something gets f***ed up in there & the fans shout " you f***ed up " , even if it is 1 illion percent her fault & issue , she get's the free pass beacuse it was wrong of you to put her in a match against some one like myself at this early stage of her career & while she gets the free pass , I get me ass chewed out since " I should of known better & seen it coming " (5) although what little she can do is pathetic & weak looking , I am going to have to sell that it is having some effect on me & finally (6) when all is said & done " what a shocking stunning upset victory " you will still through all that shit want me to lose to her & the answer from the promoter would be " HOW DID YOU KNOW ? " -SAD PART IS , THIS IS 110% TRUE & HAPPENS EVERYWHERE
(4) Pet Peeve # 4 - size , strength & experience MEANS NOTHING , this goes with all of the 1st 3 peeves , perfect example of this is above , Lei Lani Kai vs Cute Cassandra , just think , since Cassandra is a college student doing this to maybe earn some money but at least stay in shape compared to what this IS WHAT Lei Lani has done for a living for a long time , this match would be an easy way to take care of the 1st 3 issues & improve on the things I have been talking about , Lei Lani the heel vs Cute Cassandra if done right , look at what you have (1) A Heel Victory (2) A Squash , yes , a squash match (3) Lei Lani gets the respect she deserves by easily squashing the rookie while yes , (4) Cute Cassandra , as cute as she is learns that she has to " pay her dues "   sad part again , IT DOES NOT MATTER , WHO IS THE GOOD GIRL & WHO IS TH EHEEL MATTERS ONLY

Moolah was legendary for burying EVERY SINGLE LADIES WRESTLER IN THE BUSINESS for nearly 40 years. Hulk Hogan once said of Andre the Giant, "if he was a genuinely bad person, there would have been nobody in this business but him." Moolah did exactly that and this is why women's wrestling in the US never grew to anything but a bad sideshow. Wendi Richter was a legit draw for McMahon before the "spider lady" incident happened. The division was dead from that moment until Sable came along.

As for respect for the vets, Moolah wrecked that because there was no reason TO respect her. But it got worse in the 90s and 2000s when it just became mud wrestling without mud in the WWF/WWE. (The "don't touch Sable/Trish's face" rule made it even worse.) Respect for the vets exists in Joshi in Japan but I don't think it will ever happen in America because Vince puts tits ahead of work ethic or talent. (AJ Lee was an anomaly, the Bella Twins are more the company's speed.) Don't get me started on TNA aside from Gail Kim because that whole company is a gong show.

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2015, 07:59:29 AM »
How does Sable measure up against these criteria?  I'm thinking pretty well.
Better ring attire would of been nice , a t-shirt saying Sable Bomb is a lame thing for someone like her

I have my misgivings about Sable but her catsuits made her human viagra.

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2015, 09:15:12 AM »
The Sable/Stephanie McMahon luxury box catfight had no don't-touch-Sable's's-face rule.