[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

Ade has his "panties and bra" on so tight he can't acknowledge the truth. Here's the truth Mr. Panties, ECC shoots in HD, ECC's average price of their clips that is $7.99 (these clips are to a submission over 90 pct. of the time), and ECC videos do not sell for the high price you mentioned.

Nope, that's not the truth actually.

The fights may be filmed in HD, (I've highlighted this possibility previously). But they are clearly not sold as HD after editing, i.e. 16:9 720p or 16:9 1080p videos when customers purchase and download them at the moment. The customer purchases a 4:3 standard definition video, probably due to it being compressed and processed at the editing stage to reduce file size.

Regarding the price, you are incorrect there too. ECC's last advertised full catfight video in the producers section of this forum posted by John on 15th July was ECC 100, Charlie vs Marylin. The price of that specific video is $30.15 according to CCBill, but around $27.00 if you are based in the USA I've been told.

Take a look for yourself:

That, of course, is the bill for the full fight download, not a clip.

It's 36 mins long, if I remember correctly, so it's actually a little cheaper than the industry standard of $1 per minute.

And that's angrmgmt's law, by the way, not mine. Credit where credit's due!

[shana]

Oh, you're so fair in quoting prices that you only apply the add on foreign fees when it comes to ECC. What a joke this hateful man is. So you stated you stopped  buying ECC videos over 18 months ago. Tell us which two your  "out of the blue friend", LOL" allowed you to see at his home (covering your bases could it be you tripped up)?  Hate to catch you in a (oh I won't classify it as a total lie) let's just say you got the titles confused, but go ahead panties man and tell us which two?

[Ade.Scottsdale]

That, of course, is the bill for the full fight download, not a clip.

Yes Kafkod, exactly. I've never criticized the price of ECC's short clips. My original message on this subject in a separate forum thread to this in the Producers section specifically pointed out the high price of the full video, ECC short clips were never mentioned by me originally in my first message on this subject. They were however mentioned by the ECC owner and his little gang of pitchfork carriers in an attempt to hoodwink readers into thinking I was critiquing all ECC prices.

Any fool can chop up a full video and sell the separate clips for $5 each. But that doesn't interest me at all. My critique centers specifically on the full price video which US customers pay around $27 for and UK customer pay $30+ for. A very steep price for a non HD catfight video comparatively speaking.

And remember just because a video is 30 minutes long, that doesn't by default make it a good value video. There are some excellent videos in the ECC back catalogue, but there are also many dull, uninteresting, non competitive boring videos too. The fact that some of these poor catfights are 30 minutes long, does not save them from being poor catfights.

[Ade.Scottsdale]

Oh, you're so fair in quoting prices that you only apply the add on foreign fees when it comes to ECC.

Not really. Take another look at what I wrote. I quote the US price too: $27. I personally pay the British price which is £20.47 which currently equates to $31.76 US dollars at the current currency exchange rates. So if anything I understated the actual cost to me at $30.15. Thanks for bringing that to my attention Shana, I didn't realize I would actually be paying $31.76 for a full length ECC video if I chose to purchase one. That's seriously expensive for one single catfight compared to other catfight producers. This strengthens my point even more. Thanks for that.

What a joke this hateful man is.

I assume by 'hateful man' you mean a person who remains calm, unemotional and keeps to the facts, providing evidence to support what he is saying?

So you stated you stopped  buying ECC videos over 18 months ago. Tell us which two your  "out of the blue friend", LOL" allowed you to see at his home (covering your bases could it be you tripped up)?

I already have stated the two videos I watched at my friend's house when I last visited oh Grand Inquisitor. Did you not read that particular message thread? Go take a look and discover which two videos I viewed. Because I'm certainly not going to wipe your arse a second time you peevish emotionally disturbed hateful little man.

Hate to catch you in a (oh I won't classify it as a total lie) let's just say you got the titles confused, but go ahead panties man and tell us which two?

Why would I lie about watching two ECC catfight videos at my friends house? Now go run as fast as your little feet will take you and read my post from 20th July to locate the two videos I viewed, I also sent a polite private message to your little chum Walker indicating the two ECC videos too.

By the way, now that I have indicated which two ECC videos I watched, could I ask why you asked me to specify which two videos I watched? What is your motivation and purpose for that question that I have answered on 20th July and in a private PM to Walker? Care to elaborate on your reasons for asking this question? Or are you scared to do so?

I'm guessing you're one of these PCTs aren't you? [Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist] as you seem to jump to huge conclusions without any evidence and seem to get nearly everything wrong which I keep having to correct you on.

And you think you're doing East Coast Cats a favour posting threateningly toned messages like this on a public forum? You're about as scary as Coco the Clown.

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

That, of course, is the bill for the full fight download, not a clip.

Yes Kafkod, exactly. I've never criticized the price of ECC's short clips. My original message on this subject in a separate forum thread to this in the Producers section specifically pointed out the high price of the full video, ECC short clips were never mentioned by me originally in my first message on this subject. They were however mentioned by the ECC owner and his little gang of pitchfork carriers in an attempt to hoodwink readers into thinking I was critiquing all ECC prices.

Any fool can chop up a full video and sell the separate clips for $5 each. But that doesn't interest me at all. My critique centers specifically on the full price video which US customers pay around $27 for and UK customer pay $30+ for. A very steep price for a non HD catfight video comparatively speaking.



And remember just because a video is 30 minutes long, that doesn't by default make it a good value video. There are some excellent videos in the ECC back catalogue, but there are also many dull, uninteresting, non competitive boring videos too. The fact that some of these poor catfights are 30 minutes long, does not save them from being poor catfights.

It's not a steep price for a video 36 mins long. It's around the same price as you would expect to pay for a non HD video from many other producers.

And whether a catfight video is boring or exciting depends to a large extent on the taste of the person watching it.

You haven't seen this video, but I have, and I enjoyed it. So did several other fans who posted comments saying so, and none of them complained about the price

[Ade.Scottsdale]

I've not said anything about how good or bad the latest video is. Just critiqued its price. Some people are comfortable and financially able to pay the high prices ECC charge for their 4:3 Standard definition catfight videos. I and many others choose not to, and take our business elsewhere. It's a real shame as ECC can make good fight videos every now and again.

And trust me, the hateful reception I've received from John's puppets is a good indication why lot's of people who are not too happy with their prices communicate purely via private messages here and elsewhere to express their dissatisfaction, as doing so publicly here will result in a McCarthyistic witch hunt by the ECC pitchfork crew to demonize all who commit the cardinal sin of even the tiniest of criticisms aimed at ECC. Not impressed TBH. Customers should feel free to express their views without such Machiavellian tactics on the part of a small group of the producer's acolytes who feverishly attempt to protect their master.

The prices below are what I would be paying for the full length videos...

East Coast Cats $31.76

Compared to...

Suitefights - $12.99 to $18.99
Catzreview - $7.99 to $13.99
BitchfightUK - $7.99 to $12.99
Fighting Dolls - $9.90 to $22.27
Foxy Combat - $21.78
Girlswrestle.com - $15.63

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

I've not said anything about how good or bad the latest video is. Just critiqued its price. Some people are comfortable and financially able to pay the high prices ECC charge for their 4:3 Standard definition catfight videos. I and many others choose not to, and take our business elsewhere. It's a real shame as ECC can make good fight videos every now and again.

And trust me, the hateful reception I've received from John's puppets is a good indication why lot's of people who are not too happy with their prices communicate purely via private messages here and elsewhere to express their dissatisfaction, as doing so publicly here will result in a McCarthyistic witch hunt by the ECC pitchfork crew to demonize all who commit the cardinal sin of even the tiniest of criticisms aimed at ECC. Not impressed TBH. Customers should feel free to express their views without such Machiavellian tactics on the part of a small group of the producer's acolytes who feverishly attempt to protect their master.

The prices below are what I would be paying for the full length videos...

East Coast Cats $31.76

Compared to...

Suitefights - $12.99 to $18.99
Catzreview - $7.99 to $13.99
BitchfightUK - $7.99 to $12.99
Fighting Dolls - $9.90 to $22.27
Foxy Combat - $21.78
Girlswrestle.com - $15.63

You do realise we have now come full circle on this discussion about ECC's prices?

That's the same list you posted over a week ago.

Do you remember me pointing out to you back then that the prices you quote there are all for videos that are much shorter than a 36 min ECC video?

Do you remember me also pointing out that to buy a video from Foxycombat or Fightingdolls for the price you quote, you have to buy 50 download tokens at the same time, which would cost you $99?

Do you remember me pointing out that if you want to buy a single, 20 minute long video from either Foxycombat or Fightingdolls it will cost you $5 to $7 dollars more than a 36 min ECC video?

If not, read what I wrote above, because I just pointed it out to you again.

The only new thing you have written here is to claim that people are too afraid to complain about ECC prices openly, so they complain to you about it "here and elsewhere" in private messages instead. LMFAO!

[shana]

Ade's hate campaign is amusing. He insults the intelligence of the viewers by suggesting he means well. Eventually a snake will slither back in it's hole. Could this snake be from the failed video company?

[Ade.Scottsdale]

Ade's hate campaign is amusing. He insults the intelligence of the viewers by suggesting he means well. Eventually a snake will slither back in it's hole. Could this snake be from the failed video company?

I've read your posting history and I was fully expecting this latest tactic due to you now back peddling. You have had all your allegations against me proven incorrect by me via my use of factual evidence. You genuinely struggle to engage me on a mature and intelligent level, you fail to keep calm and reason with what I say. When I highlight something you have said is in error, you ignore that, fail to acknowledge your error and just sling more mud. Probably because your style of writing relies too heavily on mud slinging in the hope that the person you attack will emotionally react and breach forum rules.

However, I can see now that ad hominen attacks are all that you have left in your armory. Personal attacks in response to being proven wrong. All you seem to be writing towards me now is:

1) Defamatory and derogatory posts or comments.
2) Threatening attempts at intimidation, (asking what videos I have seen at my friends in the hope of finding out my identity)
3) Bullying tactics.
4) Attempts at baiting me via a string of personal insults in the hope of forcing me to breach the same forum rules that you are engaged in prolifically breaking.
5) You also now seem to be wanting to indulge in the activity of "calling out", i.e. accusing me of being false or a poser pretending to be someone I am not.

So looking at the above, you are now in breach of 5 separate forum rules on conduct. And all because I said that ECC prices are expensive. Listen to yourself and grow up. Stop behaving like a peevish child when you are proven wrong. Do what I do, keep to the facts, remain truthful, insert a little humour, and stop slavishly following your Master John's agenda by attacking anyone who dares to commit the cardinal sin of uttering even the slightest critique of East Coast Cats. It won't work with me, your bullying tactics don't scare me. And I refuse to conform to your attempts at censorship. I shall continue to exert my freedom of speech regardless of your attempts to quieten my voice.

Other people are reading what you write, moderators and an increasing number of very intelligent forum members who have contacted me to give their support as they too recognize what you are attempting to do, it's not just me who has to read your erroneous emotional outbursts here. Others see what you are doing too.

[Ade.Scottsdale]

The prices below are what I would be paying for the full length videos...

East Coast Cats $31.76

Compared to...

Suitefights - $12.99 to $18.99
Catzreview - $7.99 to $13.99
BitchfightUK - $7.99 to $12.99
Fighting Dolls - $9.90 to $22.27
Foxy Combat - $21.78
Girlswrestle.com - $15.63

You do realise we have now come full circle on this discussion about ECC's prices?

That's the same list you posted over a week ago.

Hi John, yes, that's exactly why I have had to post a second time a list of comparative prices of full length catfight videos from other catfight companies to demonstrate to you how very expensive East Coast Cats videos are in comparison.

Do you remember me pointing out to you back then that the prices you quote there are all for videos that are much shorter than a 36 min ECC video?

Yes I do Kafkod, I also remember explaining to you that the point you were making about the length of a video is invalid, when I stated there and elsewhere that quantity does not define the value of a catfight video.

For example, though ECC now and again make some great catfight videos, there are also many very poor 25/30 minute catfight videos in ECC's back catalogue too. These poor catfights are worth less than let's say a 5 minute full length fight video from Catzreview at a fraction of the price. I explained how it is actually quality that defines value in a catfight production not quantity. No one wants to buy a large bottle of whiskey for $30 dollars if the whiskey tastes poor. In the same way, if someone purchases one of ECC's poorer catfight titles, the fact that this poor catfight title is 30 minutes long does not escape the fact that it's still a poor catfight, if anything the 30 minutes makes it worse as you have to then watch 30 minutes of a poor catfight instead of 15 or 20. That said, personally when I have wasted my money on one of ECC's poorer catfights, I tend to just stop watching it 10 minutes in after I realize it's shite.

We haven't broached that subject yet have we John? Though I love ECC for it's great catfights. It's also produced some truly awful guff too alongside the classics. They are like all companies inconsistent in producing good catfights. They are not the untouchables as Walker/Shana et al. wish to present them as in their ineffective spin PR.

Do you remember me also pointing out that to buy a video from Foxycombat or Fightingdolls for the price you quote, you have to buy 50 download tokens at the same time, which would cost you $99?

Yes, I do. Thanks for bringing that topic up again Kafkod, as it shows how much more cheaper Fighting Dolls is compared to East Coast Cats, and they sell far higher quality videos too. Let's use the figures you quote above shall we? That $99 will give you 50 'Denars' as you quote. So let's have some fun and take a random example of purchasing a Fighting Dolls catfight video after purchasing their cheap $99 big package. Looking at their very latest release (FD1300 Katharina vs. Susie) it's 20 minutes long, and costs 5 Denars. Now 1 Denar = $1.98 according to the figures you quote, so 5 Denars = $9.90 for 20 minutes of catfight.

Fighting Dolls $9.90 for 20 minute catfight...... East Coast Cats $31.76 for 30 minute catfight.

Effectively what you've highlighted is the very reason I don't purchase East Coast Cats videos any more. For the price of one of their Standard definition non HD catfights, I could buy myself 3 superb high quality full HD catfights from Fighting Dolls. What you are pointing out here actually strengthens my point as opposed to proving it wrong.

Even at the more expensive 'small package price of $35 for 12 Denars the above video works out at $14.55 for 20 minutes. Still half the price of ECC's extortionately high price of $31.76 for a full length video.

But only a fool or extremely impatient person would purchase single videos from Fighting Dolls, when they are offering their videos at these prices when you purchase the 'Big Package'.

The only new thing you have written here is to claim that people are too afraid to complain about ECC prices openly, so they complain to you about it "here and elsewhere" in private messages instead. LMFAO!

Laughing is good, it lightens the heart. The reason I go over and repeat what I have already said, (as you can see now from what I explain above) is in response to things that you have already said previously. These things you said I proved somewhat in error, hence the need to prove again the weakness of your argument. But at least you are now speaking to me with courtesy as opposed to gritted teeth snarls from beyond the red mist and false accusations, something I observe 'Shana' has now lowered himself down to.

If anything, I'm grateful to you for again highlighting how truly expensive East Coast Cats prices are compared to other catfight production companies. Many of whom sell 16:9 HD videos to their customers compared to ECC's 4:3 standard definition more expensive productions.

[shana]

Is your keyboard padded like your cell?

[Ade.Scottsdale]

Is your keyboard padded like your cell?

What does that actually mean?

By the way, now that I have indicated which two ECC videos I watched, could I ask why you asked me to specify which two videos I watched? What is your motivation and purpose for that question that I have answered on 20th July and in a private PM to Walker? Care to elaborate on your reasons for asking this question? Or are you scared to do so?

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

Ade, I can't even be bothered reading any more of your bullshit in this thread, let alone replying to it, so don't expect any response to the parts of your last splurge directed at me.

All I have to say is, the price of ECC downloads is clearly displayed on the billing page. If you think they are too expensive, then don't buy them. Wait for your friend to buy them instead then go round and watch them at his house, like you said you did with the two releases previous to this one.

[Ade.Scottsdale]

Ade, I can't even be bothered reading any more of your bullshit in this thread, let alone replying to it, so don't expect any response to the parts of your last splurge directed at me.

It's easy to define that which you cannot respond to as 'bullshit', i.e. the factual based comments I calmly and intelligently present above. But thanks for that John.

All I have to say is, the price of ECC downloads is clearly displayed on the billing page. If you think they are too expensive, then don't but them. Wait for your friend to buy them instead then go round and watch them at his house, like you said you did with the two releases previous to this one.

That's exactly what I've been doing for the last 18 months, not buying them because they are too expensive. To be honest, ECC videos are not really the best evening's entertainment on a large HD widescreen television for obvious technical reasons. There's so many other catfights from other producers that we can have a viewing of when we meet up.

Thanks Kafkod

[shana]

Dearest Ade, May I offer you a few solutions for your mental state. A walk in the park listening to birds singing could help. Meditation can be helpful. Blueberries. Perhaps speaking with a pastor. If you're short of cash there are free clinics for ones with screwed up thought processes. There are some monasteries where the monks could offer you  peaceful solitude.  Deep breathing exercises. Even in your state there must be someone who cares that could steer you toward a more gentle, rational  state of mind.  Take care.