[East Coast Cats]

Some answers to questions about ECC. I am the sole owner of ECC, but others do most of the work. They run my website, price my videos and handle any download problems when they occur. I also have a Clips 4 Sale site #15247 with clips as low as $3 up to about $15.. Still another person handles my clips site, and after a hiatus of six months, she will be uploading more clips soon. The same lady is my videographer and uses a Canon Mark 11 5d camera. This HD camera and accessories cost about $3000. and is an upgrade over the camera used previously. I've released 100 videos and currently have about forty more videos shot, but yet to be released. A few of the forty were filmed awhile ago with the older camera, but many were with the newer camera. My main and most enjoyable function with ECC is recruiting new ladies to the world of cat fighting. Several new ladies are in the forty videos yet to be released. There also will be some returning viewer favorites, and maybe even a real surprise.        John

[flapper]

If michelle and Irish are returning please let them fight each other again.

[angrmgmt]

It's unfortunate this fine producer felt compelled to discuss their operations, in response to the defamatory posts of a handful of petulant whiners.

This wonderful site provides catfight fans with a forum for sharing opinions and criticisms - both positive and negative - of catfight videos.
But we must take care that we don't pass the point at which criticism becomes slander.

I've purchased and enjoyed many, many ECC productions, and I sincerely hope this producer will continue to entertain us with their catfight productions.

[harpoon]

If michelle and Irish are returning please let them fight each other again.

Irish vs Tori!

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

Irish vs anybody would be awesome! But yeah, she would be a great opponent for Tori. Other favourites I would like to see coming back include 3 of Irish's old foes, Bianca, Regina, and Johanna. Also Lexie and Scarlett.

ECC are a unique producer. Nobody else films hair pulling, face slapping catfights between untrained girls who just come in off the street and fight, usually for over 20 mins, without any rounds or breaks unless one submits.

They may not be everyone's cup of tea - what producer is? But ECC have been doing what they do and selling it for nearly 10 years now, so they must be getting something right.

[shana]

It's amazing  how many women new to fighting John has recruited to ECC.

[Ade.Scottsdale]

Some answers to questions about ECC. I am the sole owner of ECC, but others do most of the work. They run my website, price my videos and handle any download problems when they occur. I also have a Clips 4 Sale site #15247 with clips as low as $3 up to about $15..

But most of the catfight videos you advertise in the producer's section on this forum are priced between $27 to $30 recently.

The same lady is my videographer and uses a Canon Mark 11 5d camera. This HD camera and accessories cost about $3000. and is an upgrade over the camera used previously.

I film with a Panasonic TZ60 digital super zoom compact camera which gained the best compact camera of the year award in 2014. It cost $500. This camera shoots videos in full HD 1920 x 1080p (16:9) with Dolby Digital stereo, it can also shoot in 50fps compared to the Canon camera you use which shoots in 30fps. The image quality of the videos I film are far superior to the videos I have seen recently from ECC that my friend purchased, which are clearly not in HD (ECC99 & ECC89). That said, the Canon Mark II 5D is an excellent camera that should be shooting videos in a far higher quality to what you release to the public. This is puzzling to me, and I genuinely wish to help you as I am a fan of ECC and its catfight productions. So anything I can suggest to improve your product, I'll be happy to help you out with John as cameras and being a videographer are my hobby.

I'm guessing one of two things:

1) The person who does the filming for you is filming in the SD 640 x 480 (4:3) mode on the Canon camera. Though the camera is capable of filming in a far more advanced picture and sound quality (HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) ), the camera person has failed to switch the camera to this HD mode and is still filming in standard non HD. I notice your videos are still in (4:3) as opposed to (16:9) [widescreen], the latter being the HD mode on your Canon camera. Perhaps this is why although your most recent videos are an improvement on the old VHS camcorder converted videos, your camera person has failed to switch the camera to HD widescreen mode when he/she films the catfights. This would explain the washed out grainy appearance of your recent releases as they are in SD not HD.

2) Another possible explanation of why your videos still have a washed out grainy appearance when compared to HD videos from Suitefights, Fighting Dolls, and Foxy Combat is that the person who is responsible for doing your editing is unnecessarily degrading the original HD footage in the editing process to reduce file size for upload to Clips4sale, or for some other reason when converting the original HD footage. So even though you may be filming in HD, the final edited video released to the public is clearly not in HD, and is also in (4:3) as opposed to widescreen (16:9).

What I know personally being a cameraman myself who has shot thousands of hours of footage, and what other companies have demonstrated, an HD video file does not have to be degraded at the editing stage to non HD in order for it to be uploaded to Clips4sale.

I hope some of the above helps John, as it does seem you have HD equipment, but the customer is clearly not purchasing HD videos from ECC at the moment.

My main and most enjoyable function with ECC is recruiting new ladies to the world of cat fighting. Several new ladies are in the forty videos yet to be released. There also will be some returning viewer favorites, and maybe even a real surprise.        John

All sounds very good. Glad to hear you are still enjoying what you do John. Have we lost Lexi now, she was a legend at ECC.

[walker]

  The compliment to ECC comes across less than sincere when followed by the same complaint stated over and over and over. Seems like a real agenda to discredit.

[walker]

Clips4Sale store #15247   Over 150 ECC clips ranging from $3. to $15.. Real fights with attractive girls. 

[Ade.Scottsdale]

  The compliment to ECC comes across less than sincere when followed by the same complaint stated over and over and over. Seems like a real agenda to discredit.

Oh now come on Cerberus, that's a bit unfair and detached from reality. It sounds more like you've had your nose rubbed in your own dog muck and don't like it, #sourgrapes, are you involved in the editing at ECC by any chance?

You know that based on my wording I love ECC, and it's many classic catfights. It's not a 'complaint' by the way, it's two statements of fact that can be backed up empirically with factual evidence. 1) ECC charges very expensive prices for it's full videos compared to other catfight companies, (not it's clips, it's full 30 minute videos are what I am specifically referring to. Quoting clips prices from Clips4sale is irrelevant to what I am pointing out here. ECC on this forum primarily advertise the expensive full 30 minute videos, if you don't believe me, have a read of John's posts.

Now what I'm actually doing as opposed to having any form of anti ECC agenda as you erroneously insinuate, is offering help. I'm indicating two possible reasons why ECC videos are filmed with a HD camera, but the customer doesn't get a HD video on purchase. That's me as a professional cameraman helping a little cottage industry production company, it's not hating on it. Just pointing out something that could help you.

Secondly, the price, it is comparatively expensive, and no quotes of $5 clips will help you undermine what I wrote, because what I wrote is specifically aimed at the expensive full video price not your clips of that full video. Let's be clear on that.

Now you can either play the bruised ego game with me and assume no producer must ever be constructively be criticized. Or you can actually read from what I wrote, (it's good stuff, I know what I'm talking about, it's my job) and learn from it. It's completely up to you Walker, this is only the second time I have ever spoken to you, once in a private message and once here in this message now.

You can be silly and accuse a genuine fan of ECC of having an agenda, but at every step I will prove you wrong because you are actually wrong, and truth always trumps paranoia and lies in this game. Try me.

I'd prefer to help ECC though, I love the product, the women are fantastic, the action brilliant, but the people who are involved in the filming and editing to put it politely are fucking clueless. Not John's fault really.

Thanks

Ade

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

We've been over this same issue with pricing in another thread.

Repeating what was said there, the price of ECC videos, $1 per minute of playtime, is the same as the standard price for femfight videos.

Obviously, if you purchase a full fight download, lasting 30/35 mins, it's going to cost you more than a short clip, from ECC or any other producer.

Regarding picture quality, ECC downloads are not in full HD, and maybe they could be, if shot with an HD camera. But the picture quality of the recently filmed fights is not bad. Better, in fact, than you get from some other producers who charge the same price, per minute of playtime, as ECC.

What can't speak can't lie. This is a vidcap I made from the latest ECC release, so this is the same picture quality you get if you buy the download:

[Ade.Scottsdale]

A catfight video product is not like fruit and vegetables where the price is dictated by the quantity. The price is arbitrarily chosen by the producer regardless of quantity i.e. length. I've pointed this error out in your reasoning in another thread too Kafkod. If what you were saying was correct, I could film a 5 hour roll about pillow fight in non HD footage and sell it on Clips4sale for $50, and if any twit dared criticise my product for being overpriced, I would quote the 'Kafkod rule' back at them and point out they are getting a good value non HD pillow fight, and their criticism is insincere and must obviously have an agenda behind it.

Regarding ECC'S continued standard definition non HD public releases. I've already covered that and none of what you say, contradicts what I say, if you re read what I originally wrote:

I notice your videos are still in (4:3) as opposed to (16:9) [widescreen], the latter being the HD mode on your Canon camera. Perhaps this is why although your most recent videos are an improvement on the old VHS camcorder converted videos, your camera person has failed to switch the camera to HD widescreen mode when he/she films the catfights. This would explain the washed out grainy appearance of your recent releases as they are in SD not HD.

2) Another possible explanation of why your videos still have a washed out grainy appearance when compared to HD videos from Suitefights, Fighting Dolls, and Foxy Combat is that the person who is responsible for doing your editing is unnecessarily degrading the original HD footage in the editing process to reduce file size for upload to Clips4sale...

I, like yourself, could cite loads of videos on Clips4sale that are poorer video quality than ECC, but this is not a debate about who has the worst image quality videos, it's me pointing something out to a producer, i.e. offering help as a cameraman myself to really improve the video quality either at the filming or editing stage.

It's such a simple and easy thing to do. It's got nothing to do with ECC bashing, it's got more to do with a fan of ECC who knows more about camera work and whose friends work in video editing for television spotting that the Canon HD equipment they are using is not producing 16:9 HD footage as the end product.

And by the way, I've helped two other catfight companies on this same subject too. They listened, and my advice enabled them to now sell their products in glorious full HD.

Of course there is also the option to paint me as an agenda driven ECC hater who fails to recognize the great value of their expensive, albeit non HD products. And if that's the case, I'll just have to exit stage left and accept that sometimes, it's important to allow some people to continue in their belief that the Earth is flat. To argue with them is akin to barking back at a dog. Futile and pointless.

[walker]

http://clips4sale.com/15247    Clips store for East Coast Cats where clips range in price from $3.-$15..   Most clips end with a submission, and some have more than one submission. The owner has stated many more clips will be added soon at the same bargain prices. 

[shana]

Ade has his "panties and bra" on so tight he can't acknowledge the truth. Here's the truth Mr. Panties, ECC shoots in HD, ECC's average price of their clips that is $7.99 (these clips are to a submission over 90 pct. of the time), and ECC videos do not sell for the high price you mentioned.

[Ade.Scottsdale]

Ade has his "panties and bra" on so tight he can't acknowledge the truth. Here's the truth Mr. Panties, ECC shoots in HD, ECC's average price of their clips that is $7.99 (these clips are to a submission over 90 pct. of the time), and ECC videos do not sell for the high price you mentioned.

Nope, that's not the truth actually.

The fights may be filmed in HD, (I've highlighted this possibility previously). But they are clearly not sold as HD after editing, i.e. 16:9 720p or 16:9 1080p videos when customers purchase and download them at the moment. The customer purchases a 4:3 standard definition video, probably due to it being compressed and processed at the editing stage to reduce file size.

Regarding the price, you are incorrect there too. ECC's last advertised full catfight video in the producers section of this forum posted by John on 15th July was ECC 100, Charlie vs Marylin. The price of that specific video is $30.15 according to CCBill, but around $27.00 if you are based in the USA I've been told.

Take a look for yourself: