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Without ruining it? A friend and I just had this debate so I thought it would be interesting to run it by this board.

A lot of production companies include hair-pulling in their productions with mixed results. Catsreview, Suitefights, EastCoastcats  to name a few. The biggest problem is hair-pulling basically taking over the fight to where it's just two girls locked together pulling for all they are worth to the exclusion of all else. Not too erotic for most of us. Can hair-pulling even be included without this result? Some girls vary their attacks but for the most part once one starts with the hair the other joins in the tactic and we end up watching a pain endurance contest. Trying to take out the hair as a target has had mixed results and has been simply called "not a catfight" since it doesn't allow the hair to be yanked out. Companies like Ultimate Surrender do it ( no slapping, pinching, punching etc. either) but then we end up with a nude jui-jitsu match instead of a catfight. So what's the answer?  Any great ideas on how to balance this? Pretty hard to make a fantasy a business I guess.

  One point I don't understand. You don't have to be a genius to be a model but I know a few and they are not idiots, so why hasn't a gal just cut her hair a half inch long or even shaved her head and ruled the kingdom? Our next catfight champion may look like this~

[jerry55]

Can it be a catfight with out hair pulling ??

[Corbin2012]

hairpulling shoub allowed...from severe yanking, ahilst rolling on the floor and in a time-limited stalemate

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Yes I agree, but how to balance it or can it be??? is the question. Or do bald woman end up ruling the world?

[gmenn]

Without ruining it? A friend and I just had this debate so I thought it would be interesting to run it by this board.

... Not too erotic for most of us. Can hair-pulling even be included without this result? Some girls vary their attacks but for the most part once one starts with the hair the other joins in the tactic and we end up watching a pain endurance contest. Trying to take out the hair as a target has had mixed results and has been simply called "not a catfight" since it doesn't allow the hair to be yanked out. ...

For me (and I guess for a lot of us) it is the most erotic part of a catfight.
If you want the hair yanked out then watch all the Catz Review catfights starring Rocket. What a sexy sight seeing tufts of hair littering the floor after her "true catfights"!

[DCameron]

I also really love to see hair pulling in a catfight - for me that is a prime component that makes the fight a catfight.  And I also like a lot more elements in the fight than just the hair pulling:  breast attacks, face slapping and body punching all make the fight that much more enjoyable for me to watch.

I like a lot of the matches that I have purchased in the past from Catfight Haven and Tanya Kicks, and many of the Chaos catfights fill that bill as well.  East Coast Cats had a lady named Pandora who put all of it together for me, and I enjoy many of the matches from WeBringIt for combining all of those elements.  When Monique and Chrissie or Mariella are paired up at Fighting Dolls they seem to "get it" as well.

It's a matter of personal taste, so everyone is a marketplace of one, but I am not looking for a catfight where the women pull hair until one submits.  I much prefer them to use the hair pulling to position their opponent's face for a good face slap, or to pull their opponent's head into a god leg scissor.

And back to SuiteFights, the product is terrific, and for my taste I thought that their "Brooke vs. Charlie" fight was dynamite.

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Hmmmm, maybe I need to rephrase my question. I love hair pulling as most of us do but how do you include it without the fight becoming only hair~pulling? For example~ Each girl is only allowed one submission via hair pulling. The girls have a time limit on how long they can pull. These are the only two I can think of , any others?

The idea is to make a rule to include hair pulling but not to make the whole fight just hair pulling. Ideas?

[wasteland1952]

How about if hair pulling is allowed (encouraged) so the girls can get ahold of each other to allow further attacks?  For instance, the girls hold hair with one hand, and punch or slap with the other?

I love seeing girls pull hair because it allows for close body contact.  I hate it when the crowd yells at the girls to stop pulling hair.

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Wasteland~the more I think about it the more genius it becomes..only allow one hand pulling at a time. I think it's the best idea I have heard. You keep that aspect of the catfight and really negate the unholy damage a gal can suffer from a two handed pull. As most of these girls are also models and hair grows back at a half inch a month losing hair is a big deal. You may have come up with a viable, workable option. Bravo.

[jaybee]

Where was I when this debate started? Most people  on this thread know my stance on hair pulling from another thread which I'm sure is what gave birth to this initial debate. Here's  my 2 cents  on the matter I fully  agree hair pulling is essential to a catfight but I'm on board 100% with 10counts take. Heres an example of 2 of my personal  favorites out now Charlie  vs Brooke at suitefights and Pandora  vs killer sex at catzreview both are perfect examples of the right amount of hair pulling in a real catfights. Even though  I feel Charlie/Brooke was juuusst a tad bit one sided  (just a bit) I still rank it easy  in my top five all time and it had very little  hair pulling .  Pandora /k. Sex my only complaint  was too much interference but still top 5 it had hair pulling but PLENTY of other attacks  (one in particular  ). I also feel catzreview  balances out the hair pulling well. I don't  know if that's a result  of the producer or a choice made by the girls but nonetheless they have a good mixture of holds and attacks.

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

Yes I agree, but how to balance it or can it be??? is the question. Or do bald woman end up ruling the world?

Bald or shaven headed women could never rule the catfight world because producers wouldn't hire them.

Wrestling, ok, but not catfighting. Catfight producers know that the vast majority of their customers love hair pulling, and that they would put themselves out of business by hiring shaven headed models.

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

Where was I when this debate started? Most people  on this thread know my stance on hair pulling from another thread which I'm sure is what gave birth to this initial debate. Here's  my 2 cents  on the matter I fully  agree hair pulling is essential to a catfight but I'm on board 100% with 10counts take. Heres an example of 2 of my personal  favorites out now Charlie  vs Brooke at suitefights and Pandora  vs killer sex at catzreview both are perfect examples of the right amount of hair pulling in a real catfights. Even though  I feel Charlie/Brooke was juuusst a tad bit one sided  (just a bit) I still rank it easy  in my top five all time and it had very little  hair pulling .  Pandora /k. Sex my only complaint  was too much interference but still top 5 it had hair pulling but PLENTY of other attacks  (one in particular  ). I also feel catzreview  balances out the hair pulling well. I don't  know if that's a result  of the producer or a choice made by the girls but nonetheless they have a good mixture of holds and attacks.

I agree on Catzreview in general and KS vs Pandora in particular, which was a great catfight -  rough, but sexy, and no doubt at the end who the better fighter was. Charlie vs Brooke though I didn't like at all.

The Latest from SF, Rosie vs Jess, was much better for me, because both girls were hot and they had the right attitude to what they were doing ... trying their best to win, but not scared to lose.
I liked the decisive outcome, and the moaning and whimpering from Jess when Rosie was pulling her hair turned me on.

In general, I think fans of real, unscripted catfighting just need to accept that in a real fight, anything can happen, and not become fixated on one particular tactic or type of fight. Let the women fight how they want to fight and enjoy it as a genuine, physical confrontation and competition between two women trying to defeat each other by whatever means, within the rules of the fight, of course.

[jaybee]

Where was I when this debate started? Most people  on this thread know my stance on hair pulling from another thread which I'm sure is what gave birth to this initial debate. Here's  my 2 cents  on the matter I fully  agree hair pulling is essential to a catfight but I'm on board 100% with 10counts take. Heres an example of 2 of my personal  favorites out now Charlie  vs Brooke at suitefights and Pandora  vs killer sex at catzreview both are perfect examples of the right amount of hair pulling in a real catfights. Even though  I feel Charlie/Brooke was juuusst a tad bit one sided  (just a bit) I still rank it easy  in my top five all time and it had very little  hair pulling .  Pandora /k. Sex my only complaint  was too much interference but still top 5 it had hair pulling but PLENTY of other attacks  (one in particular  ). I also feel catzreview  balances out the hair pulling well. I don't  know if that's a result  of the producer or a choice made by the girls but nonetheless they have a good mixture of holds and attacks.

I agree on Catzreview in general and KS vs Pandora in particular, which was a great catfight -  rough, but sexy, and no doubt at the end who the better fighter was. Charlie vs Brooke though I didn't like at all.

The Latest from SF, Rosie vs Jess, was much better for me, because both girls were hot and they had the right attitude to what they were doing ... trying their best to win, but not scared to lose.
I liked the decisive outcome, and the moaning and whimpering from Jess when Rosie was pulling her hair turned me on.

In general, I think fans of real, unscripted catfighting just need to accept that in a real fight, anything can happen, and not become fixated on one particular tactic or type of fight. Let the women fight how they want to fight and enjoy it as a genuine, physical confrontation and competition between two women trying to defeat each other by whatever means, within the rules of the fight, of course.

I agree with almost everything you said (except  not liking Brooke  vs charlie.. c'mon really?)just can't see eye to eye with you on the Rosie vs Jess match but I'll be damn if reading your comments on it haven't  made me view it a few more times lol. I think you're  determine  to make me like this fight   I'll  give it credit you're spot on about the moaning being incredibly  sexy the two of them locked together  moaning  and wimpering was the highlight if you close  your eyes they actually  sound more like there making out rather than fighting. ....damnit kafkod you're  not gonna make me like this fight..... (goes to watch fight)

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"In general, I think fans of real, unscripted catfighting just need to accept that in a real fight, anything can happen, and not become fixated on one particular tactic or type of fight. "~kafkod

 The problem with this is fans don't except this and the producers end up losing money on poor sales if the fight is only one tactic.  I don't know a producer making "real" catfights that's still in business actually.  I for one want them to keep producing semi~real unscripted catfights and making money at it. I have never seen any other single tactic in a semi~real catfight dominate like hair pulling, maybe leg scissors but most producers ban that tactic already. Obviously even the semi~real catfights made by the producers have rules. Catzreview doesn't allow closed fists to the face and I have an x-girlfriend who would call that bullshit as she won 2 catfights by boxing the shit out of the other gals. Real catfights in the street use biting, foreign objects etc. but producers can't do that and get a model to sign up. So most real catfights are anything but real.

I still think wasteland has the best idea. Allow hair pulling but only with one hand at a time. The other can slap, grab or whatever. You have the element of hair pulling but it's far less likely dominate the fight. The fight is varied more tastes are satisfied and producers get to eat. They keep a semi~real nonscripted catfight but keep hair pulling from becoming its only tactic as closed fist puching would if it were allowed. Just my two cents.

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Non~shaven head and still immune to hair pulling.