[Driver47]

Nooooooooooooo.....noooooooooooo

[Goodluck]

It's not fair since you retired and might not want to respond, but you want scripted Jaybee.  Girls, welcome to the match, here is a long list of all the things you can't do and here is how long the match should last and can you please try and work in some breast grabbing and downstairs grabbing, I mean even if it isn't your best opportunity to attack, just do it, please?  Yes, it becomes a scripted, directed, controlled, planned out fight. A catfight is a fight between women, not a style, it's an intensity with the goal of winning.  BSA fights were awesome, Denise from DWW and Ingrid's fights from DWW were awesome.  Scissors weren't outlawed.

[Driver47]

I think Goodluck this is a good debate just what the forums for but i think bottom line were simply gonna have to agree to disagree on this your not going to see this from our view point and vice a versa peace. ps at least we kept it civil

[jaybee]

It's not fair since you retired and might not want to respond, but you want scripted Jaybee.  Girls, welcome to the match, here is a long list of all the things you can't do and here is how long the match should last and can you please try and work in some breast grabbing and downstairs grabbing, I mean even if it isn't your best opportunity to attack, just do it, please?  Yes, it becomes a scripted, directed, controlled, planned out fight. A catfight is a fight between women, not a style, it's an intensity with the goal of winning.  BSA fights were awesome, Denise from DWW and Ingrid's fights from DWW were awesome.  Scissors weren't outlawed.

So you're saying because there are rules the fights are scripted? Every style of fighting has rules. So because there's breast/crotch mauling the fights are fake? There's no point in the fight were a director says "OK go for a boob grab" the girls use it because first of all it's allowed and not only is it more than likely probably encouraged but it also (im assuming) hurts when legitimately done. There's outlawed moves in MMA so does that tarnish the legitimacy of the sport? You can't kick in a boxing match so does that make it a fake fight? No. The rules allowed and outlawed are what makes that particular sport unique. Also based on your logic NO catfight company allows punching to the face not even ECNWC so does that make those fights fake?

[Driver47]

WORD

[Goodluck]

Good points, even ECNWC "forced" the crotch and breast grab tactic on participants.  I prefer having the girls do what they want to win.  Almost no girl would decide on her own to grab downstairs when she can punch or rip hair out.

[jaybee]

Good points, even ECNWC "forced" the crotch and breast grab tactic on participants.  I prefer having the girls do what they want to win.  Almost no girl would decide on her own to grab downstairs when she can punch or rip hair out.

It depends on the girl buddy. There's some ruthless females out there. Lol

[10count]

Ahh, jeesh, Jaybee is back? There goes the neighborhood. Now how the hell do we get him to re-retire?

I am making a safe catfight prototype for the girls. They are models remember? This head piece with eyeholes cutout and the hair coming out the top will protect and remind the girls to stay off the neck while still giving them the freedom to fight. I think we can all agree I have solved our problem!

I am looking for investors at this point.

[jaybee]

Ahh, jeesh, Jaybee is back? There goes the neighborhood. Now how the hell do we get him to re-retire?

I am making a safe catfight prototype for the girls. They are models remember? This head piece with eyeholes cutout and the hair coming out the top will protect and remind the girls to stay off the neck while still giving them the freedom to fight. I think we can all agree I have solved our problem!

I am looking for investors at this point.

Me and my "stepbrother" partners here at "Prestige Worldwide" are very interested in your idea...tell us more.

[billyk123]

Glad your still fighting your corner Goodluck but trust me its more than 4 people view it's a hole lot of people many just like to read and not voice there opinion, c4s ratings always places Suitefights at the top when his fights comes out and views and replys are always in the 100s and 1000s on this forum so he doing well. I'm not sure how long you have been watching Suitefights but i myself have been sponsoring from the beginning so i have all his fights and this fight as good as it was i would give it a 5/10 because of the wrestling tactic of scissoring of all places the head. From the interview i thought she's not going to catfight she's gonna wrestle yea do what you know but it wasn't a wrestling match it was a catfight Mira came to catfight. Now i don't know if you know of a women who fought for ECNWC her name is Hollie now she was a retire professional boxer she was a champion now she came to ECNWC to catfight she was not allowed to use actual trained skills of boxing to fight but only use catfight tactics hair tits pussy slapping punching not to the face to fight she wasn't as successful as you may think catfighters beat her in  catfights she won and lost fights. I say this because Tilly has a wrestling background and this is what she relied on to fight. What would have been interesting for me would have been how would she have fought if she did not use wrestling tactics to fight but catfight tactics i think the outcome may have been different. Anyway i believe most of us who have been following Suitefights from the beginning want Suitefights to stay undiluted as strictly a REAL CATFIGHT production not a catfight/wrestling production. Suitefights to us pure real catfight fans  is like a new version of ECNWC but better.

spot on totally agree

[D Wagner]

 There are a lot of ideas about what actually is a catfight. I think a catfight is wrestling with at least one more tactic and hair pulling is the one most used.

[XPP]

Wagner, you make a good point. People define "catfight" differently. Some include wrestling. Some don't.

I think the point that is being discussed here, then, is whether wrestling should seep into a "SuiteFights Catfight". After all, different producers have different styles and different rules.

As I mentioned before, I prefer SuiteFights Catfights to be as it was before - No wrestling moves. I don't care about fight time or seeing more or less of specific tactics like breast or crotch grabbing. Take Lexi vs. Brooke. That's my second favourite SuiteFights match and it ended quickly.

[billyk123]

Well said
SuiteFights is unique and that is why it's so popular
It has just been untrained hot models that normally wouldn't fight just thinkn hey I want that prize money and going for it
We've had some fantastic hairpulling and slapping fights just like u wud see if 2 girls just went at it in a bar
Yeh there have been some rule changes and tweeks along the way but that is to be expected
SuiteFights is getting better and better with every production
The danger is that SuiteFights gets invaded by trained mma wrestler types
Once they start scissoring and doin ju jitsu moves it turns SuiteFights in to one of the many wrestling grappling sorts already out there
Let's see those models duking it out for money with some hard face slapping kicking and hairpulling
I can watch arm bars and grappling anytime on ufc
Keep them awesome fights coming at us Steve

[10count]

I think BillyK just hit the nailhead. SF was unique, why become a clone of whats out there already. Plenty of producers already show really bad jui-jitsu in the nude.

[cfbr]

Just re watched Lauren vs Chikara from ECNWC. Incredibly sexy, hot and aggressive catfight. WITH scissors. Scissors are not my cup of tea, but they should be allowed for the of sake better and more diverse competition.

This whole "SF will become another wrestling company" is BS. As long as SF doesn't bring in skilled grapplers, there is no danger in that. This was a genuine catfight. It's not like the other girl - forgot her name - is super skilled. She used scissors like an amateur would. The problem is Mira is not a natural fighter. Don't take me wrong, she is good, looks good, she is spirited, she punches, she kicks, she uses her knees, she pulls hair and she TRIES HARD, but she just doesn't have the skills, and I don't mean trained skills, I mean natural skills.

Another fighter with more inborn fighting capabilities could had deal a lot better with the scissors applied, and wouldn't be dominated like that by such poor attempts.

As long as you have amateurish girls with no proper training doing scissors, no harm done. It will only hinder the "SF spirit" if you have women with proper skills doing it.

But it's always the same with small niches, the fanboyism prevails and people want the product to exactly mirror their preferences and wishes, otherwise "it's not good enough". For sakes, man up an accept different fights will play differently.

This one was a great fight, and each used their weapons as they could - one could do it better, that's all.

PS: Did Lauren ever had another fight? She was a super hot fighter and her fight was great.