[billyk123]

ok guys

Just to make something clear

ive had a few replies on forum that seem to imply that I want all producers to produce real fights and nothing else

NO

Nothing could be further from the truth

I have the greatest of respect for any producer in the industry providing they describe their product correctly and accurately so the fan can buy the material that is of interest to them

My issue and also that of many of my friends who are in to catfights is with the producers who advertise REAL FIGHTS that are quite simply not real .

Example of a producer being professional - Suitefights - Always describes fight and rules accurately which gives customer the choice "do I wanna buy this " .Ive had good humoured disagreements with steve over rules for some of the fights    but he has always been up front and honest about rules and what type of fight he is producing - ive never been sold anything by him that isn't as described

Example of a bad company ? I'm not gonna go there it would be unfair but if anybody messaged me I would share information with them in private .I'm not in to witch hunts

After many years of being sold dud  fights a group of us have finally just had enough .
 We have formed a group where we share information with eachother on producers and fights to ensure we are not buying incorrectly labelled fights .If we get a bad one we let eachother know so the other person doesn't waste their money -  

After all if you paid for a 4 door car and went to pick it up and it had 2 doors would you say hey that's ok and drive off in it ?

All I'm saying is be truthful with your customers and describe your fights accurately then everyone gets to the right place and all are happy

Is that not fair ?

[pinner45]

Sounds fair enough to me. Sounds like you have something like like a Consumer Reports magazine. Maybe you should publish it!

There used to be some "catfight review sites" but they seemed company oriented and I got burned by some of their

recommended videos.

[billyk123]

Yeh just trying to be fair . As I said its not a witch hunt and im not gonna throw accusations and complaints out openly but any forum member who wants to share information we have is welcome to message me Another one of our group got burned yesterday with a fight he bought .allegedly a real fight girls never touched each other for 16 mins and was then declared a draw . Then had a tie break of grabbing each others tits for a few minutes. Absolutely dreadful and this is kind of false representation we are getting sick of and will look to address. We have asked the member to contact the producer for a refund so let's see how this is handled by producer. It's only fair to give them a chance to react in the correct and appropriate way .

[enigma911]

Billy I am poretty sure i know the fight u are talking about..i actually still enjoyed it as i thought the combatants were matched well and i kept kinda waiting for them to like hit the ground but in the description it said "take down attempts" but i see ur point tho i did enjoy the fight and am actually hoping to see them rematch in more of a catfight or with a lil more action...

as for ur review system i give u alot of respect for that and u r right often producers say "real fight" n its not n u waste money on a product that just isnt what u want...it would b a cool idea to publish tho...this way it kinda holds the producers to some level of accountability u know?

[billyk123]

Thanks enigma

yeh if you enjoyed the fight and happy with the purchase  all is good

I'm just trying to get the point across that producing scripted stuff is great as are all types of fighting represented on here by producers as long as descriptions of the fights are accurate

No other industry would get away with false representation on sales of goods so why should it be accepted by fight fans ?

If its not real don't say it is  bottom line !!!!!

[billyk123]

Ok
As mentioned in earlier post myself and a couple of other fans got fed up of the false representation and inaccurate descriptions of fights by some producers .For years we have been buying fights only to watch them and go WTF !!!!

I have been blown away by the amount of messages I have received over the past few days from fans who wont come on front page but have told me privately they have been ripped off and are sick of it

our little group had 5 members at the start of the week we now number 22   and that is in 5 days !!!!

One of our members was sold a ridiculous fight at the start of the week that was meant to be real .My advice to him was contact the producer tell him you aren't happy and tell him why .Maybe ask him if he would give you an alternative download as a goodwill gesture .Sound reasonable ?

Hell No - he was basically insulted and told he would get no refund or alternative download .If he wasn't happy  he was told he was free  to take his business elsewhere

So . shame on you Phatts Pharr/Blue Funk for your dreadful customer service

Well this guy WILL take his business elsewhere and so will the other 21 members of our group

you will now be boycotted by us - Not bothered ?  Neither are we

The pathetic  video in question was Rose v Seduction "Squared up"

Apparently two girls boxing throwing punches and counter punches to block eachother   lol

If you honestly paid these girls for this fight you have also been ripped off

the girls basically circle eachother doing little girly slaps for 16 minutes before the producer loses the will to live and calls a halt to it with the score at  Rose 0 - Seduction  0

They then grab eachothers tits for a few more minutes and that's it !!!!

Blue funk has done some good stuff but this is way off the mark

Would Bob at ECNWC have released this ? NO     anything he considered sub standard for fans expectations was never released

Anyway we will now all boycott Blue funk unless he does the right thing and resolves this honourably

Any other member who wishes to be part of our group please pm me on here or on social media most of you know me on facebook /twitter anyway

Message is   were fed up with being ripped off and we are getting together to put a stop to it

Positive note - Thank you to the honourable truthful and respectful companies that have thrilled us over past few years SUITEFIGHTS  EAST COAST CATS  CATZREVIEW  BITCHFIGHT UK

[Nutmeg]

For a guy claiming it isn't doing a witch hunt you are doing a piss poor job of not looking like you are doing one. I will give you and your little group the same warning I gave to the last guy who tried to shake down producers:

You want to state your opinion in your little thread feel free. What will NOT be tolerated is to troll producers their own threads or on threads outside of this. That is harassment and since you have come out a fan publicly of a producer or two we have had issues pulling harassment of various forms in the past, I am not inclined to give you a huge benefit of the doubt.

And to the other members of your group: Recall to hold the reviewers accountable as well. It does you no good to think you are fighting false information when all you are doing is trading it for MORE misinformation. I have seen people pull this in the past and don't get played by a person who is getting paid is my main advice.

Also it does seem interesting how quickly you turn on a producer. Someone does ONE video you don't like and EMBARGO ON? And for the record, at no time in this thread have you defined what IN YOUR OPINION, a "real fight " is. Seems like something that would be an important thing for a guy claiming to fight misinformation to do isn't it? Since in at least one sense, all the good producers you mentioned  could be said not to be doing "real fights" Hint: Real world fights and rules don't tend to go together, at least to some people.

This community has had some toxic shit going on in the past last year around the same time. Don't bring a new breed of that here.

[pinner45]

I think I need to join this group of like minded consumers.

The fantasy roll arounds, if they are advertised are fine with me, as

long as I don't get stuck with one. Believe me, I own too

many of these turkeys. For the people who like them, fine. I

don't want to spoil your fantasy fight. I just don't want them

even if they were free.

[billyk123]

Nutmeg.  You are warning me !!!! Lol what ya gunna do kick me off the forum ☺
Wow that would hurt  I never come on here very often it is full of a click of little people like yourself who are full of self importance . Wether you like it or not there is a problem with what producers tell customers and how they describe their product . We are sick of being ripped off .  Don't think this is the only outlet to pass information . The message will get out don't worry. This forum used to be brilliant it is now a fantasy fight wrestling bonanza and full of members with multi profiles and men pretending to be women and doing fantasy cyberfights . You are warning me !!! Do me a favour . Do what you want but this group is growing and getting more and more pissed off

[Nutmeg]

To billyk:

Yes I am warning you in accordance to the rules of this forum. You do realize you are on someone else's forum right? And I am a moderator here so you if you don't like it you can leave or complain to the boss.

And spare me the talk of self importance from a guy calling for a boycott of someone's product. Based on a video he hasn't even seen , I do believe.

" This forum used to be brilliant it is now a fantasy fight wrestling bonanza"  - Thought you are claiming you don't care about the fact people enjoy fantasy fights? Now they are wrecking this forum? Your true colors are showing..

"and full of members with multi profiles" = Which includes at least one guy you buy videos from. And it is REALLY obvious. So why are you overlooking this if this is such a issue for you?

And all I warned you was to not harass producers. Review product to your hearts content. The fact you seem upset by this tells me a lot. This isn't rocket science and shouldn't be an issue for someone who is being sincere about what they are doing.

Do me a favor. Stop acting like a child who needs to be babysat.

[ozfitefan8]

What is the point of having a forum if you cannot express an opinion or talk about an experience?

[pinner45]

I remember when I used to express my opinion on here about a certain company whose video quality hasn't kept up with the current technology. The first time I brought it up a couple of years ago,  I was attacked with really vile filthy language and threatening tone.  It took a fairly long time for a moderator to finally clip the wings of the perpetrator.  Eventually,  it calmed down and I have posted a lot of stuff since and haven't been chastised by the company  "fan boys". Billy123 is speaking for many people I think.  I have been purchasing vids for a long time. I have purchased many videos which were not  worth the price of a postage stamp and therefore can understand the hostility coming from consumers of this material. I am not here to bash any producer,  but Billy123 is a stand up guy.  He is on other sites,  Twitter,  etc.  Has has good incisive commentary. I believe in Free Speech.  If this board cannot han dle a disgruntled member who failed in an attempt to complain about a product,  or threaten Billy123 for defending him, then we aren't anything more than a lightweight discussion board which allows only positive niceties. Maybe we could have a sub board on here for free discussion of videos and customer comments and reviews,  the good,  the bad and the truthful??

[jaybee]

Funny you should mention a review forum. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a monthly catfight review for a while now. They have reviews for games and movies and stuff like that why not start one for the catfight scene. The only thing really stopping me is I don't feel like dealing with all the potential negative attacks because I gave MY OPINION of a fight. If I say I didn't like a fight I wouldn't judge or criticize someone else for liking the same fight it's different strokes for different folks as they say.
  As far as people calling out producers of real fights for quality I wish someone would call out the producers of some of the scripted/fantasy  catfights for quality. I'm a big fan of the scripted/fantasy stuff and I've been burned  Waaaay too many times buying those movies than with the real catfight productions.

[chrisley]

Ok guys it was me that contacted bluefunk93 to say that i was not happy with a catfight download i paid for, so please read below. The way you guys are dealing with bill is shocking. Anyone else that is not happy with a catfight dowload please dont hide behind you PC tell everyone cos we are being ripped off by these people. Please take time to read below, let it sink in cos we are not assholes we are the customer that has very right to express there thoughts. Nutmeg i take it you know that it was me that contacted bluefunk93, if that is the case why did you not contact me to find out my side of the story rather than just use your power to give warnings to people for standing up for them selves.Projucers need us we can just move on to the next till we find a good one like many that we do business with.

Can we set the records st8 hear it was not bill that told me about rose vs seduction and it was not bill that told me about phat pharrahs, are we clear not that. I was told by a friend. When i went to c4s the about so called fight was made out to be some thing its not. It one point in the fight which im not going back to check as im so pissed over the was bluefunk93 dealt with this, some one said in some kind of way COME ON GIRLS  GET GOING may not be the correct word but not far from it.

Bluefunk93 you say i never sent prof of purchase, maybe that was my mistake but you never asked for it either, and the way you replyed was not very business like. I have no dout the are good fights on there as my friend likes same as me REAL stuff. Maybe the wording sould go like this, two very nervous girls was only there to get money and not get hit or hit the other girl, that is a better wording of this.

Also you said if a want fantasy fights move on, when id just watched that garbage, you have some nerve.

Guys at the end of the day we are the customer, very good customers to the catfight industry. If you go the supermarket get asome fish and when you get home its off and the managers says i never said its not off you would be pissed.

And nutmeg i think you need to take a look at bill's profile and posts, given him a warning and the way you talk to him is unacceptable from a business side of things, he is one of the very small number of people that is very genuine and spends his hard coin on these fights, all we want is a true projucer that tells us the truth. Its was given a better read up then getto fights that ive been told to go by bluefunk93.

I have been buying catfights since the earley 90s and have never had a problem with a projucer.

Driver47 no ive not seen this fight and im not going to, im not going to deal with some one that talks to you like a peace of shite. I will post messages ive been sent that tell me to go else were for my catfights.

Thats my rant over cos all the fingers are in the same pot.

[Nutmeg]

It is funny that a thread about "truth" should have so many distortions of it, even when things have been clearly stated in full public view. Again third time, never was it asked that negative opinions not be stated. What was asked is to not use those opinions as excuses to harass producers outside of a review thread. Imagine if every post from your favorite producer you had to wade through a number of posts of people bitching over videos they didn't like from years gone by. I like to think most members don't want that to become a thing.  

The reason I made this warning is this thread shifted very quickly from "Don't want to be a witch hunt, Just want to keep this stuff private and be fair " to "I am naming names and calling for a boycott! We are putting a stop to this! " It moved from a review thread to a Crusade quickly and for no real reason.

A stand up guy would have responded to my warning with "Meg that is not my intent. I just want to inform people and save people some money. I want the producers I love to be treated with the same fairness as the producers I don't like. "  A stand up guy doesn't act like a child when confronted. A stand up guy would get why I said what I said and realize he has gone from one extreme to another within the same thread in regard to temperament.

Chrisley: Sorry had no idea who you are. Or why you think bluefunk would tell me anything about this. And I am well aware of billy's history here. Doesn't change a damn thing. And oddly I am not worried about any business interests I have in real life being affected by how I have treated a guy on a fetish forum.  

ozfitefan8: No one said you can't express an opinion. Been stated three times in clear english

pinner45: Again, never said anything about not posting negative reviews. And also again, quite clear what I warned Billy not to do, which I don't think is unreasonable. If you wish to read things otherwise that is your choice.

jaybee: Reviews are never easy. People will bitch over everything about the review and you. if you did a blog or something you could try it with comments off at first until you feel you find your voice.

Again funny that I have to point out so much distortion of truth in a thread claiming to be about truth . Review to your heart;s content, but prepared to back up your opinions, especially if you portray them as facts.