[cooper4]

Obviously, I don't know if the ultimatesurrender matches are choreography ahead of time.  I don't think they really are.  Ariel X said, that Izamar Gutierrez had another match with Mistress Kara an lost again she just can't seem to beat her.   However, I remember Daisy Ducucci beating Mistress Kara, andthen losing later to Izamar in another tournament.

I will copy and paste the link to this article below-thoughts on the topic anyone?.

http://ariel-x.com/blog/2016/10/ariel-submits-izamar-gutierrez-twice/

[MaskedBunny]

See, that line of thinking doesn't really work where this person beat this person who beat this person so they would beat this person. In sports, especially wrestling, a lot can happen. Sometimes, especially in this form of wrestling, so much can impact it. Maybe Izamar gets really turned on against mistress Kara which makes her weaker. Or their styles conflict where mistress karas is better.

[cooper4]

Izamar, usually wants to win, an dominate the other girl.  The style think maybe more on point, I can see how two different syle would give one opponent an advantage.