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Most realistic catfight in any film/movie

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Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« on: February 10, 2019, 10:36:39 AM »
What film/movie do you consider has the most realistic catfight?

From Russia with Love is probably the most famous.

There is a catfight in the film The Elephant Man. It is quite a short scene, between two mature women. Both women have badly cut faces. Very realistic, with one woman crying at the end.

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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 01:27:37 PM »
The Faye Dunaway fight in Barfly.

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Offline Michael James

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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 01:55:00 PM »
A Day in the Valley ----  Charlize Theron and Teri Hatcher...   I loved that one!

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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 03:18:01 PM »
Hands down What Ever happened to Baby Jane? While sinclairfan's choice is great, that pits Milady de Winter against the Borg Queen, and the fight is hot, it's still acting. Dunaway is as far a certified diva as she's a complex person since she genuinely cares for others, which influenced roles she took.

However, or even more to the point, what Bette Davis and Joan Crawford had, culminated in the fight scene what they couldn't do to each other in real life. It's the epitome on how two women can hate very fiber of the other's existence.
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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2019, 09:14:30 PM »
Awesome topic!

To me, this is the most realistic catfight I've seen in a movie.  I'm not sure of the name of the movie, but it's a fight between geisha girls.  It's not only an excellent and long catfight, but also extremely arousing.  Perhaps someone knows the title of the movie??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBmViBdF5rM

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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 09:34:23 PM »
Awesome topic!

To me, this is the most realistic catfight I've seen in a movie.  I'm not sure of the name of the movie, but it's a fight between geisha girls.  It's not only an excellent and long catfight, but also extremely arousing.  Perhaps someone knows the title of the movie??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBmViBdF5rM

Hate to embarrass you but it was right on the video description under click more :)

The Geisha (???) is a 1983 Japanese film directed by Hideo Gosha.

1933. 20 years before, Katsuzo was in love with a geisha who gave him a daughter. They tried to run away together but they were caught and the woman was killed under his eyes. Now he is a zegen aka a pimp who sells girls to the Yokiro, the biggest geisha house in Southern Japan, run by Osode who used to be his mistress. His daughter who was raised by the Geisha House is now a Great Geisha under the name Momowaka. And his girlfriend, Tamako, wants to become a geisha. Momowaka falls in love, one of Osaka's yakuza clans wants to take control of the Yokiro.
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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 10:35:28 PM »
Awesome topic!

To me, this is the most realistic catfight I've seen in a movie.  I'm not sure of the name of the movie, but it's a fight between geisha girls.  It's not only an excellent and long catfight, but also extremely arousing.  Perhaps someone knows the title of the movie??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBmViBdF5rM

Hate to embarrass you but it was right on the video description under click more :)

The Geisha (???) is a 1983 Japanese film directed by Hideo Gosha.

1933. 20 years before, Katsuzo was in love with a geisha who gave him a daughter. They tried to run away together but they were caught and the woman was killed under his eyes. Now he is a zegen aka a pimp who sells girls to the Yokiro, the biggest geisha house in Southern Japan, run by Osode who used to be his mistress. His daughter who was raised by the Geisha House is now a Great Geisha under the name Momowaka. And his girlfriend, Tamako, wants to become a geisha. Momowaka falls in love, one of Osaka's yakuza clans wants to take control of the Yokiro.

I own the movie, '83 is the Western release date, it's from '81. What would be more alluring but is a nigh impoossible quest to find an English translation of the novel. This is because the movie jumpcuts between the two fights and you can see that the prostitute's mouth is full bloody when she crawls out. Either this is because she's hit with a geta (the Japanese wooden sandal) or Momokawa punches her in the mouth. It's the not the only fight in the movie, nor is it their first confrontation.
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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2019, 12:59:46 AM »
The Eye of the Cat with Gayle Hunnicut and Jennifer Leak is a very realistic and sexy brawl in the ladies room

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0495015/mediaviewer/rm3523273728

And The Players Club catfight with Lisa Raye McCoy is another realistic brawl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGxD-JHvBrE

The Player's Club was a movie catfight done right. It had sexy females, realistic fighting, and, most definitely, a winner.

The Eye of the Cat had 2 of the 3 elements. Unfortunately, the guy had to insert himself in the fight and ruin it, saving the girl in pink from getting her ass kicked.

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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2019, 01:59:27 AM »
Awesome topic!

To me, this is the most realistic catfight I've seen in a movie.  I'm not sure of the name of the movie, but it's a fight between geisha girls.  It's not only an excellent and long catfight, but also extremely arousing.  Perhaps someone knows the title of the movie??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBmViBdF5rM

I own it too, absolutely great catfight!

Hate to embarrass you but it was right on the video description under click more :)

The Geisha (???) is a 1983 Japanese film directed by Hideo Gosha.

1933. 20 years before, Katsuzo was in love with a geisha who gave him a daughter. They tried to run away together but they were caught and the woman was killed under his eyes. Now he is a zegen aka a pimp who sells girls to the Yokiro, the biggest geisha house in Southern Japan, run by Osode who used to be his mistress. His daughter who was raised by the Geisha House is now a Great Geisha under the name Momowaka. And his girlfriend, Tamako, wants to become a geisha. Momowaka falls in love, one of Osaka's yakuza clans wants to take control of the Yokiro.

I own the movie, '83 is the Western release date, it's from '81. What would be more alluring but is a nigh impoossible quest to find an English translation of the novel. This is because the movie jumpcuts between the two fights and you can see that the prostitute's mouth is full bloody when she crawls out. Either this is because she's hit with a geta (the Japanese wooden sandal) or Momokawa punches her in the mouth. It's the not the only fight in the movie, nor is it their first confrontation.

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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 02:14:25 AM »
HooDoo,

Your reply is effectively missing ;)
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Re: Most realistic catfight in any film/movie
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2019, 04:26:35 AM »
HooDoo,

Your reply is effectively missing ;)
Sorry about that.
I own it too, absolutely great catfight!

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2019, 05:28:54 AM »
Nutmeg....LOL!!  It's like I couldn't see the forest for the trees!  Thanks for pointing out the obvious to me.  Just call me Capt. Oblivious!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2019, 11:51:16 AM »
HooDoo,

Your reply is effectively missing ;)
Sorry about that.
I own it too, absolutely great catfight!

What makes it even more special is the timing. During the '70s, due to cultural and social hierarchy differences, Japan reacted to the self reflections of 1968 about a decade later. This was the time when they first acknowledged not having waged a merely defensive war (up until then, and in the 21st century ever since, the mantra was and is that starting with the war against China in 1894 every war they had been about protecting something historically theirs) and acknowledged mistreatment toward foreigners and women. Write this up, as this is one of the few good things Nixon did besides declaring that smoking kills and burning rivers are not okay.

In that milieu, novels like these could be published, critical of past Japanese warmongering and the wholesale of domestic and foreign girls into prostitution to appease the ever growing colonial industrial complex. Nowadays, if the had the budget, only AV studios could make this movie for foreign consumption, that is if you recall the mainstream reaction to Memoirs of a Geisha. To be conservative in Japan means bury your head in the sand and pretend no bad things ever happened, especially to the most pristine girls of the nation.

In essence, Momokawa wishes to shed her past self, and with it any connection to her deadbeat father, but this fight is of course about more than just a prostitute wanting to become a geisha. For one, like many fathers, Momokawa's, for every of his faults, has a hard time expressing that he actually cares about his daughter, so his lover wishes to excise her out of his heart forever. Two, the prostitute would effective become haha, respected mother. Since she's a bitch on wheels, that's of course something she couldn't allow. Because here's reason 3, and you can see that after the dance off when she flaunts her leg at the table drinking beer, like a sailor... being a geisha means high cultured and high cultured means high respect.

It's clear, as it is spoken during the fight that the prostitute despises the Yokiroh for the exact reason that girls like her are robbed of opportunities for the sake of girls who can then play the obina on Girl's Day (obina are the top tier dolls representing the prince/emperor and princess/empress). In conclusion, just like Lust and Caution in China, this novel unabashedly explores the unequal relationship between men and women, the hidden side of female relationships, and did so with an honest account. It may take an additional 2 or 3 more decades for such a work to come out of Japan again.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2019, 04:09:42 PM »
To me, the geisha fight is just amazingly realistic.  Of course I've never witnessed a fight in a women's washroom, but the way they fight is so convincing.  Neither woman is an experienced fighter.  They really go after one another using what I call purely feminine tactics, including slaps to the face and a lot of hair pulling.  And towards the end of the fight, when they are both so exhausted, they muster the strength to continue their fight on the table, the one girl wrapping her thighs around her opponent.  Just an incredible catfight in my opinion.