[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

when women are pulling each others hair in a catfight is what makes the fight sexy and appealing to watch for both men and women i might add

I don't find anything sexy about 2 women pulling each others hair unless they're wrapped up in close body-to-body-leg intertwined contact.  I have absolutely no idea how 2 women pulling each others hair translates into sexy FvsF.  Same with face slapping.  Hell - I'd even go so far as to say I don't even find breast or crotch slapping sexy in a FvsF fight - and this is coming from a die hard (NPI) fan of  FvsF crotch grabbing and Hands on Titfighting!

Different strokes for different folks Cecil. But close up body-to-leg intertwined conact does tend to make the hair pulling sexier. Along with everything else, I guess.

[Nutmeg]

No you stated we were genetically compelled to pull hair.

I stated no such thing. Please either substantiate that allegation or retract and aplogise immediately.

Women don't need to be encouraged to pull hair in a fight. They just do it instinctively

Here's a hint: I can still see what you wrote here, so pretending you didn't actually say it doesn't work so well.  Unless in the Fantasyland UK they don't teach that instinct is caused by nature/genetic makeup. My point has not been that women don't pull hair (despite your efforts to spin it that way, for whatever reason ) but that they pull hair for the reasons men do. Lack of combat skill and there is hair to grab for an advantage. But then how can I expect you when you claim that East Asian stereotypes don`t exist purely because you have not experienced them and they are not based on empirical evidence. Goodness thank for that breakthrough in logic. All this time we have been fighting racism we never thought to argue lack of evidence as a reason why it was foolish. And since racists are nothing but slaves to reasoning..

I am sure this revelation is stunning to those Asians in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe and non Fantasyland UK who experienced these stereotypes and others like it. Stunning to learn that according to kafkod, they are apparently either delusional or liars. In Fantasyland UK where he lives, no one perceives you that way. How nice to know racism has magically become subject to Vulcan -like logic. or if you personally never saw it, it doesn't exist. And all the negative stereotypes still portrayed in the media are accidental or all in their imagination.

Look its one thing to say you never encountered that view, but to then hand wave away the existence of such stereotypes is even worse than the racist views themselves. It is willful ignorance and downplaying of a problem. Look up Asian stereotypes and you will find this stuff very much exists and groups are working to fight it.

Or maybe like a racist using `science`to justify their beliefs you do the same to justify your view that women exist as some catfight sex toy. Japan attacked the US in a sneak attack at Pearl Harbor. Women (like men) pull hair in fights. A racist will claim the former happened because its the nature of Asians just as you claim the latter happens because its a woman`s nature. Both of you need to grow up and join us in the real world. Both have to realise this fundamental truth: Humans are of the same species, be they different genders or ethnicity. Treating a woman as some alien creature compared to a man makes as much sense as treating a black person as an alien creature from a white person. 

And your response to the "two bitches in heat" is hilarious when you realize that its was about MEN doing it. But hey we have a men vs men forum so to each their own..

And let me repeat to avoid your confusion: I never said hairpulling by humans doesn't occur in a fight. It occurs for a variety of practical reasons but because Nature,God or horny men willed it, likely isn't one of them. But if that is what you want to believe, have at it.

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

No you stated we were genetically compelled to pull hair.

I stated no such thing. Please either substantiate that allegation or retract and aplogise immediately.

Women don't need to be encouraged to pull hair in a fight. They just do it instinctively

Here's a hint: I can still see what you wrote here, so pretending you didn't actually say it doesn't work so well.  Unless in the Fantasyland UK they don't teach that instinct is caused by nature/genetic makeup. My point has not been that women don't pull hair (despite your efforts to spin it that way, for whatever reason ) but that they pull hair for the reasons men do. Lack of combat skill and there is hair to grab for an advantage. But then how can I expect you when you claim that East Asian stereotypes don`t exist purely because you have not experienced them and they are not based on empirical evidence. Goodness thank for that breakthrough in logic. All this time we have been fighting racism we never thought to argue lack of evidence as a reason why it was foolish. And since racists are nothing but slaves to reasoning..

I am sure this revelation is stunning to those Asians in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe and non Fantasyland UK who experienced these stereotypes and others like it. Stunning to learn that according to kafkod, they are apparently either delusional or liars. In Fantasyland UK where he lives, no one perceives you that way. How nice to know racism has magically become subject to Vulcan -like logic. or if you personally never saw it, it doesn't exist. And all the negative stereotypes still portrayed in the media are accidental or all in their imagination.

Look its one thing to say you never encountered that view, but to then hand wave away the existence of such stereotypes is even worse than the racist views themselves. It is willful ignorance and downplaying of a problem. Look up Asian stereotypes and you will find this stuff very much exists and groups are working to fight it.

Or maybe like a racist using `science`to justify their beliefs you do the same to justify your view that women exist as some catfight sex toy. Japan attacked the US in a sneak attack at Pearl Harbor. Women (like men) pull hair in fights. A racist will claim the former happened because its the nature of Asians just as you claim the latter happens because its a woman`s nature. Both of you need to grow up and join us in the real world. Both have to realise this fundamental truth: Humans are of the same species, be they different genders or ethnicity. Treating a woman as some alien creature compared to a man makes as much sense as treating a black person as an alien creature from a white person. 

And your response to the "two bitches in heat" is hilarious when you realize that its was about MEN doing it. But hey we have a men vs men forum so to each their own..

And let me repeat to avoid your confusion: I never said hairpulling by humans doesn't occur in a fight. It occurs for a variety of practical reasons but because Nature,God or horny men willed it, likely isn't one of them. But if that is what you want to believe, have at it.

Meg, have you ever heard the saying - When you are in a hole, stop digging?

[Nutmeg]

Meg, have you ever heard the saying - When you are in a hole, stop digging?

You need that explained to you too? What am I saying of course you have no clue.. 

You are a cupcake in a debate with a steak knife.

FIN

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

You are a cupcake in a debate with a steak knife.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a cyber steak knife I can deal with.

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

No you stated we were genetically compelled to pull hair.

Women don't need to be encouraged to pull hair in a fight. They just do it instinctively

Saying that somebody does something instinctively is not the same as saying that they are genetically compelled to do it.
For instance, if I said that a footballer was an instinctive player, that would not mean that I thought he was genetically compelled to play football.
If you can't see the difference between those two propositions for yourself, then there isn't much point me trying to explain it to you

But then how can I expect you when you claim that East Asian stereotypes don`t exist purely because you have not experienced them and they are not based on empirical evidence.

I didn't say that East Asian stereotypes don't exist. Please don't put words into my mouth like that. What I said was that the particular stereotype you introduced into the discussion - that "Asians are seen as sneaky" because of the shape of their eyes - was not one that I had ever heard of before.

I am sure this revelation is stunning to those Asians in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe and non Fantasyland UK who experienced these stereotypes and others like it. Stunning to learn that according to kafkod, they are apparently either delusional or liars. In Fantasyland UK where he lives, no one perceives you that way. How nice to know racism has magically become subject to Vulcan -like logic. or if you personally never saw it, it doesn't exist. And all the negative stereotypes still portrayed in the media are accidental or all in their imagination.

Again please don't put words into my mouth. I did not say that Asians anywhere were delusional or liars.
I repeat, what I said was that I did not view Asians as sneaky because of the shape of their eyes and, until you wrote about it here, I did not know that anybody else viewed them in that way either.
And who are you to lecture me about what Asians in this or that part of the world have experienced?
Are you going to start putting your own words into their mouths also?

Or maybe like a racist using `science`to justify their beliefs you do the same to justify your view that women exist as some catfight sex toy. Japan attacked the US in a sneak attack at Pearl Harbor. Women (like men) pull hair in fights. A racist will claim the former happened because its the nature of Asians just as you claim the latter happens because its a woman`s nature. Both of you need to grow up and join us in the real world. Both have to realise this fundamental truth: Humans are of the same species, be they different genders or ethnicity. Treating a woman as some alien creature compared to a man makes as much sense as treating a black person as an alien creature from a white person.  

If you insist upon introducing subjects like paedophilia and racism into discussions like this then you really should take a little while to actually THINK about what you are trying to say before you start writing.
Otherwise you just come over as a self-righteous, pontificating buffoon. And I would hate people to gain an impression like that about you Meg, I really would.

And your response to the "two bitches in heat" is hilarious when you realize that its was about MEN doing it. But hey we have a men vs men forum so to each their own..

So if the "two bitches in heat" comment was actually about the way men fight, rather than women, why did you post it in a discussion about women pulling hair on the ground, rather than in the men vs men forum?

I'm not calling you a bare-faced back-peddling liar - heaven forbid! But if it REALLY was about men .... just wondering.

[Nutmeg]

Sigh.

1. Instinctive means "by nature, innate" or something one was born with. Instinctively means doing it by nature. So yeah you were saying women are naturally compelled to pull hair. If you actually meant something else entirely, say so. You would have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment.

2. Did you not state "This is all news to me. Maybe East Asians are percieved in that way by ignorant people in the part of the world you grew up in, but not anywhere else." ? When you say no one else in the world see East Asians like that other than in my country, that is a broad statement. Maybe think before you post, since hyperbole can backfire. So no I did not put any words in your mouth. Once again it seems you have little clue what the words you are saying mean. And I am aware of the troubles East  Asians and other minorities face because I speak to them and seen some of it first hand. I am also not completly ignorant on events and mindsets around the world. Heck even some basic research in the field reveals this.

3. I have no worries about being seen as a self righteous pontificating buffoon. Fear not, you are still the industry standard in that area.

4. Yes the bitches in heat comment was about how people see ground fighting for both men and women and why they break it up at that point, at least in my experience and those of others I keep in touch with.

5. Based on the fact you seem to not recall what you stated previously on a consistent basis, I would say you are the barefaced , back peddling liar. Considering this is because I mentioned something previously that disagreed with your mindset, it does suggest you have some issues with people disagreeing with you. Based on your generally degrading comments to me and not to the men who disagreed with you, I am fairly confident you have particular issues with women doing so. The comment most telling was your last.

"But if it REALLY was about men .... just wondering." It has a strong odor of "you hate men, right? " I can see no other rationale for such an odd comment. I made it clear which genders I was speaking of. And if you are going to backpeddle yet, claiming you mean something harmless again don't bother. Any further back and you will be posting in 2013.

I have stated genders quite clearly through my discussion, Kafkod. You were the person that started this by an attack on me, despite others disagreeing with you. Even more absurdly, all i did to offend thee, was describe the likely mindset of the people watching the fights and why hair pulling and rolling on the ground are seen as unacceptable. Truly it is one of the most innocuous things I have seen someone take offence to. If you want to think ANY stereotype is defended by fact, that's your choice. But don't be offended by the fact I call you a hypocrite in claiming some are supportable but others are not.  I am still stunned people hate racism but feel its hunky dory to have equally ignorant views of 50 percent of the human race.

I apologize to Wasteland1952 once again. I had hoped this could have been settled long ago. I would appreciate a return to the topic myself and not dealing with endless attacks over some guy's wounded ego.

[DoYouKnowWhoIAm?]

Kafkod. You were the person that started this by an attack on me, despite others disagreeing with you.

I didn't start this by attacking you. I just pointed out that you were slapping people down for going off topic, then doing the same thing yourself.

Based on your generally degrading comments to me and not to the men who disagreed with you, I am fairly confident you have particular issues with women doing so.

Apart from Cecil saying that he found crotch mauling more arousing than hair pulling in a catfight, YOU are the only person who has disagreed with anything I said in this thread.

"But if it REALLY was about men .... just wondering." It has a strong odor of "you hate men, right? "

Wrong. What I meant by that was that when you wrote about "two bitches rolling around in heat" it REALLY did seem like you were referring to the way women fight. But if you were insisting that it was a reference to men, then I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt.

In other words, it's, "Over and out" from me on this one. But if you want to fly solo with it, be my guest.