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Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?

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Offline ParadigmSift

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Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?
« on: August 19, 2019, 10:05:00 PM »
My first impression is this is an Ultimate Surrender knockoff. It focuses more on mixed (MvsF) matches with "loser gets fcked" rules.  Does someone know where they're based (i.e. City/State)?  I can't stand mixed wrestling and personally don't have any desire to see nude males while I'm enjoying FvsF.  I sincerely don't understand why any FvsF producer would ruin decent FvsF by adding males.  I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MALES IN FvsF PERIOD!!  No stupid male announcers or referees.  I don't  want to hear a male voice asking stupid questions in  a dumb-ass before the match interview or shouting out instructions to the women during the match.  I don't even want to see any male cameramen or bystanders.  At one point one of the German based producers (ACG/Kontex or Foxy Combat?) used only camera-women dressed in panties and T-shirts.  It was absolutely brilliant!

So based on the above sentiment imagine my complete lack of interest in watching naked male penises wrestling nude women.  I don't watch FvsF so I can see some guy get a blow job at  the end of the match.  I don't need to see some guy "fck the loser" or anyone else for that matter.  I can find that crap all over the internet or take an UBER over to the Phoenix Hotel and watch it live through the large 2nd floor window facing the sidewalk.  Why completely RUIN  OUR  FvsF by adding this unnecessary  crap? My strong suspicions are that "some" producers simply don't give a damn about what FvsF customers want to see.  I'm not aware of any male FvsF fans that fantasize about seeing another guy's naked junk when they're watching FvsF.   There never needs to be more than one Dick present when enjoying FvsF media and that position has already been taken.
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Offline MaskedBunny

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Re: Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2019, 11:08:43 PM »
Actually, it isn't a US ripoff, it is pretty much US. Kink moved their headquarters and stopped producing the US stuff themselves. So Ariel X spun off and began producing it for them. One of the requested things US received and a few of the wrestlers wanted was mixed matches, but Kink never really was on board. SO she began producing them. She received requests for FvsF and started Evolved Lez, like mentioned above. Different strokes for different folks. Some people like watching girls or guys humiliated by the opposite sex, some like imagining themselves as the guy in the match. Women also like watching this kind of stuff. Just because it isn't for you, doesn't make it wrong. Just don't watch it.

I would recommend the Evolved Lez though if you loved US. I'm not a fan of the mixed style either, but the FvsF style is really well done. Ariel also is on twitter and constantly asks for suggestions or wrestlers/porn stars people would like to see in matches then I would imagine reaches out to them maybe.

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Re: Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2019, 03:59:34 PM »
It basically is.......Ariel X who runs it created it after separating from Ultimate Surrender. I believe it is Vegas based. She also runs a separate site for record called Evolve Fights Lez, so there's F/F too if you want that, it's not exclusively mixed.

Hah!  I literally just noticed the Evolve Fights Lez site right after I read your post!   Nice eye on spotting that  FF!  I completely concur: The new site is basically the exact  same as US except for the color scheme and I suspect that change may be symbolic.  It doesn't matter  because  both new sites (Evolve Fights) Suck Balls (IMO).  The FvsF doesn't seem to involve any intense competition.  It's just 2 women fingering each other without  much wrestling going on (from what I've seen so far). The content is lame and tepid and any guy who claims they enjoy mixed wrestling and gets aroused at the site of another guy's balls when they're watching  may be fooling themselves or just confused about their infield  position (pitching vs. catching). Hey, it's the 21st century.  Most folks don't need to hide Behind the buggered Bent Over split premise of MvsF just so they can get all juicy toothed over the site of another  naked guy's nuts.  I mean, it's not like anyone's going to feature the content in a presentation during the company  quarterly board meeting. 

  • I wasn't aware Ariel X had separated from US.
  • I don't know any lesbians that love and enjoy watching naked "guys" do anything.
  • I don't know any straight guys that get aroused watching naked guys do "anything".

If anyone read the 3 points above and felt there was any judgement or condemnation  implied or inferred, please make a conscious attempt to uncouple yourself from reading my posts.  My "awareness" about the preferences of others is only stated to describe "my" experience and background. Of course I'm aware others have different preferences.   I'm the master of "my" words. I know exactly where I want them to go and precisely what I wish them to do once they reach their destination. When it comes to FvsF and other fetishes I know exactly what "I" prefer to watch and precisely what I want it to do when I watch it. Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised but  I'm not ashamed or embarrassed about my preferences in this regard.  Most importantly I sincerely believe only the conceptually handicapped and comprehension impaired assume an expression of one's preferences vs dislikes must also arrive hand-in-hand with a judgement of  condemnation for the preferences of others.  I live and work in San Francisco. We don't roll like that.  As long as it exclusively involves consenting adults we sincerely don't give a Damn. On the step-by-step path we all take to discover and describe our own fetishes, please regard your shame and/or embarrassment as part of "your trip".  Feel free to own and embrace "your trip"  along this path without expecting others to stumble around it.

« Last Edit: August 21, 2019, 04:08:28 PM by ParadigmSift »
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Re: Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2019, 01:50:39 AM »
My first impression is this is an Ultimate Surrender knockoff. It focuses more on mixed (MvsF) matches with "loser gets fcked" rules.  Does someone know where they're based (i.e. City/State)?  I can't stand mixed wrestling and personally don't have any desire to see nude males while I'm enjoying FvsF.  I sincerely don't understand why any FvsF producer would ruin decent FvsF by adding males.  I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MALES IN FvsF PERIOD!!  No stupid male announcers or referees.  I don't  want to hear a male voice asking stupid questions in  a dumb-ass before the match interview or shouting out instructions to the women during the match.  I don't even want to see any male cameramen or bystanders.  At one point one of the German based producers (ACG/Kontex or Foxy Combat?) used only camera-women dressed in panties and T-shirts.  It was absolutely brilliant!

So based on the above sentiment imagine my complete lack of interest in watching naked male penises wrestling nude women.  I don't watch FvsF so I can see some guy get a blow job at  the end of the match.  I don't need to see some guy "fck the loser" or anyone else for that matter.  I can find that crap all over the internet or take an UBER over to the Phoenix Hotel and watch it live through the large 2nd floor window facing the sidewalk.  Why completely RUIN  OUR  FvsF by adding this unnecessary  crap? My strong suspicions are that "some" producers simply don't give a damn about what FvsF customers want to see.  I'm not aware of any male FvsF fans that fantasize about seeing another guy's naked junk when they're watching FvsF.   There never needs to be more than one Dick present when enjoying FvsF media and that position has already been taken.


I got a membership with Evolved Fights Lez and watched all their videos a couple of months back. It is basically an Ultimate Surrender rip-off. But US was itself an Academy Wrestling rip-off, so they have no grounds for complaint there.

The biggest difference between EFL and US is that EFL allows submission grappling holds. And if a girl makes her opponent tap out she gets 20 seconds to do whatever she likes to her without resistance. This works well in some of the fights, but in others the girls don't try to go for submissions, and the whole affair turns into something more like a lesbian romp than a fight, "evolved" or otherwise.

What the "fights" lack is any semblance of competitive intensity, which used to be a characteristic of early US and the original Academy Wrestling company. If Ariel, or whoever is running the show, would tell their girls to stop smiling, giggling, and showering each other with compliments and tender endearments during the action, it would improve the product immensely, and I would have kept my membership going.

Re the mixed wrestling. I'm not into that either. But I did get a kick from a Fightingdolls mixed match I found online between Claire - one of favourite FD girls - and a strong male who dominated her and made her submit to him multiple times. Claire seemed to get a kick out of it too, btw!

The pay off for me in watching that one was that I was able to easily imagine what it would be like to have the gorgeous Claire writhing underneath me and submitting to me over and over. And it would be good, very good!

Going by what I've picked up about mixed wrestling matches, they are usually won by the female. And more submissive men than me, who seem to form the majority of mixed fans, probably project themselves into the place of the male victim. Others possibly are just turned on by the idea of a hot, feminine woman who is strong enough to defeat a man in a wrestling match, and focus their attention on her, not on the male opponent.

Though, in the case of the Evolved fights mixed matches, it would be difficult not to focus on the sight of a man being buggered by a woman wearing a huge plastic dildo. Yes, I've seen some of those preview pics too, unfortunately.    ???




« Last Edit: August 22, 2019, 04:56:03 AM by clandestino »

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Re: Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2019, 06:05:44 PM »
Am glad someone bought this topic up. 

Can anyone brief the history on what the fuck was going on with Ultimate surrender and Ariel? 

I knew she purchased her share from the original creator of Ultimate Surrender and made it her own.  I didn't like Ultimate Surrender in its early day.  Too crazy one sided aggressiveness for my taste. Like it from 2009-2015 maybe even a bit of 2016. But after that,  it got weird into a lesbian love fest with the same fighters. 


Nothing new like the previous seasons.  I mean  You had Dia Sera and Isis who made thier victims their own.  Each had their style.  A lot of matches were competitive,  hard fought and bought surprises. 

It started getting boring over a while.  I love lesbian action but not in US.  I wanted a bit more competion. No friendly banter.

Penny bought that among the other girls. The 4th round was a punishment and a ragging session.  Not a lovemaking session.  Sure,  a few instances I can understand.


Evolved is a mess.  I like the TS fights.  I can understand mixed wrestling,  there is a market over there.  Even Defeated Xxx give good mixed matches.  Kink wo if ld want to target that market. 

But Evolved Lexi is crap.  It looks like the loser wants to be fucked and the girls are happy to be a bitch.  That's not how the show is supposed to be.

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Re: Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2019, 10:35:09 PM »
The following statements from other users are validation that the sentiment of "If you don't like it don't watch it" is  complete unadulterated Dick Spit Dumb. One of the main values of a FvsF forum (for patrons who love FvsF) is the ability to communicate and share clear concise honest feedback about producer content. We don't require any mthrfkng PC commentary about whether it's "just your opinion" or "everybody has different tastes" because we already KNOW that - so STFU and GTFOH.

  • "I got a membership with Evolved Fights Lez and watched all their videos a couple of months back. It is basically an Ultimate Surrender rip-off. But US was itself an Academy Wrestling rip-off, so they have no grounds for complaint there."

  • "And if a girl makes her opponent tap out she gets 20 seconds to do whatever she likes to her without resistance. This works well in some of the fights, but in others the girls don't try to go for submissions, and the whole affair turns into something more like a lesbian romp than a fight, "evolved" or otherwise."

  • "And if a girl makes her opponent tap out she gets 20 seconds to do whatever she likes to her without resistance. This works well in some of the fights, but in others the girls don't try to go for submissions, and the whole affair turns into something more like a lesbian romp than a fight, "evolved" or otherwise."

  • "What the "fights" lack is any semblance of competitive intensity, which used to be a characteristic of early US and the original Academy Wrestling company."

  • "Re the mixed wrestling. I'm not into that either. But I did get a kick from a FightingdDolls mixed match I found online between Claire - one of favourite FD girls - and a strong male who dominated her and made her submit to him multiple times. Claire seemed to get a kick out of it too, btw!"

  • "But Evolved Lexi is crap.  It looks like the loser wants to be fucked and the girls are happy to be a bitch.  That's not how the show is supposed to be."


The first time I met Academy Bruce (RIP) he picked me up at a Caltrain stop near Santa Clara so I could watch him film a match between Amy O and some other woman whose alias eludes me at the moment.  This was after I'd communicated that while I enjoyed many of his vids, I really couldn't stand the last part with the dildo action.  His response was that this was a popular item that a lot of people enjoyed.  My follow-up response was that it wasn't a huge deal for me since, like the old CW pre-match buildups, I just skipped over that part anyways.  Prior to his passing we'd planned to hang out in San Francisco and peruse the (strip) clubs to search for talent.  I'd been to multiple clubs with Bruce in the South Bay and he was well known, popular and unbelievably smooth without being the least bit creepy with his approach to securing combatants.  One of the characteristics we enjoyed about each other is that neither of us was "afraid or ashamed" of our FvsF fetish. 

I'm equally intrigued and disgusted by the predilection to describe women involved in various styles of FvsF as "bitches", "whores", "sluts" and other derogatory terms.  On another popular forum I actually asked a frequent poster who indulged in this practice: "Why do they have to be Bitches Spiro?"  I've asked other posters on this board similar questions when they describe the women in their FvsF as being Gorgeous and buxom fighting in "broken glass", around "barbed wire" or "with knives" or other materials that would serve only to cause injury in addition to  mutilating and marring  the appearance of the women.  No one provided any remotely sane or thoughtful response. My initial working theory is many (NOT "All") male fans of FvsF are so fucking  consumed with self hate, shame and fear of anything that sexually arouses them so they react by diminishing and deteriorating the women involved. I'm sure there's more to it but I'm still wrapping my head around the issue.

Why not drill down to the core of what actually arouses you and embrace it?  Here's a well known fact: Media of lesbian sex, FvsM and people fucking sells more than FvsF. US stopped their production because they couldn't continue to make the profit  previously experienced  due to the market drying up/evolving. GR of DWW ran into the same thing but blamed it on piracy instead of realizing you can't remain competitive if you simply continue to produce product that's just a slight variation on the same motif. I may be very vocal about what I do-and-do-not like in a FvsF product but I take great care not to suggest or assume a vendor should change their product to suit "MY" taste because there is no indication that change will result in significant sales unless that vendor is interested in a viable market for FvsF along with a distribution method that doesn't allow the product to be immediately shared with everyone online (see Pornhub).

You don't have to see the entire staircase to miss the first 3 steps and fall headfirst into that final tumble.
When you've run out of time for 12 steps come visit us at "Step 13" (At a neighborhood near you).  HH drink specials for 1st & 5 yr pins.

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Re: Anyone familiar with a site called Evolved Fights?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2019, 01:29:08 PM »
the old ULTIMATE SURRENDER was pretty good - talking about 2005 season and the few that fallowed
alot of real submission's and fights where a wrestler really is too tierd by the end to fight back and must submit
also some really good round 4s' with true humilation (cyd black was a master and also isis love losing her anal verginity for real vs nina)
but with time it became a pussy fest with no real competition and no real stakes on the line and EVOLVED FIGHTES just continue this boring line

if anyone know of a good place to find matches with stakes - even small one's please do share