[femalewrestlingchannel]

I'm really wanting to dig a bit deeper with my website, and even my own personal feelings, fears, and curiousity regarding this subject.

One article I have been dying to tackle has to do with the "why".

"Why" do we enjoy catfights?   
"Why" do we enjoy females wrestling?   
"Why" do we enjoy females hurting one another? (in some cases)

What is it?

Even with all of the research I have tried to do on this topic, I have not came up with a conclusive answer.   (I have found some interesting tidbits however)

I think it's real easy to say that it "differs for everyone", but I'm not so sure.

And, even the terminology seems wrong in my view.

For instance.

Is enjoying women who fight "a fetish"?   A "fetish" by definition, deals with "inanimate objects".

Two females who fight are not "inanimate".   They move, they are not dead, they are not objects.    (perhaps they could be construed as objects, but I'm not certain there)

But more importantly than defining it as a fetish, what is the motivation behind it?

Why do we spend countless amounts of time seeking this stuff out?

I really think a lot of guys and gals struggle with this, so if you respond to only one of my posts ever, please try to respond to this one.

I'm going to copy and paste this, and try posting this in various places around the "catfight" part of the internet, because I'm very interested in seeking out this answer for all of us who might be curious.

[butters]

, so if you respond to only one of my posts ever, please try to respond to this one.

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Your posts without exception make me wish one or more of the following were true:
    1) That I did not know how to read
    2) That I had another fetish
    3) That you had another fetish
   

[femalewrestlingchannel]

, so if you respond to only one of my posts ever, please try to respond to this one.

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Your posts without exception make me wish one or more of the following were true:
    1) That I did not know how to read
    2) That I had another fetish
    3) That you had another fetish
   

Welcome back Bunk.

[lumberjack66]

I'm really wanting to dig a bit deeper with my website, and even my own personal feelings, fears, and curiousity regarding this subject.

One article I have been dying to tackle has to do with the "why".

"Why" do we enjoy catfights?   
"Why" do we enjoy females wrestling?   
"Why" do we enjoy females hurting one another? (in some cases)

What is it?

Even with all of the research I have tried to do on this topic, I have not came up with a conclusive answer.   (I have found some interesting tidbits however)

I think it's real easy to say that it "differs for everyone", but I'm not so sure.

And, even the terminology seems wrong in my view.

For instance.

Is enjoying women who fight "a fetish"?   A "fetish" by definition, deals with "inanimate objects".

Two females who fight are not "inanimate".   They move, they are not dead, they are not objects.    (perhaps they could be construed as objects, but I'm not certain there)

But more importantly than defining it as a fetish, what is the motivation behind it?

Why do we spend countless amounts of time seeking this stuff out?

I really think a lot of guys and gals struggle with this, so if you respond to only one of my posts ever, please try to respond to this one.

I'm going to copy and paste this, and try posting this in various places around the "catfight" part of the internet, because I'm very interested in seeking out this answer for all of us who might be curious.

You are right, our interest does not meet the clinical definition of a fetish.  However, I think this word has changed in the vocabulary to mean anything that is not considered mainstream or "normal".  Even this may not apply to our interest.  All you have to do is look at Youtube, any particular soap opera, or many popular films and you will see that our interest is not unique.  It is definitely a more powerful interest for us than many people and in that perhaps it qualifies as a fetish.

As far as the root of our interest, I believe it is two fold.  First, I think many of us can trace it back to a single event, a fight we witnessed or a show we saw.  Second, I think it is a natural extension of Darwinism.  It is in the interest of natural selection for us to want to mate with the strongest of our species.  That goes for men and women.  There are many women that are turned on watching men fight.  Of course they can watch TV or Pay per View any night of the week and see that.  For some reason, our primal interest in watching members of the opposite sex fight is frowned upon.  I guess that is what makes it a fetish.

[luffy316]

Can agree with the Darwin idea.  It's the same reason that hips and big breasts are attractive, since they'd promote the idea of good child-bearers.


I don't know if this is everyone else, but I do have a liking for strong women.  Not necessarily muscular or large, but women with the ability to take care of themselves if need be, or even just spirited.  The passion involved in fighting is also probably very close to sex, in its fairly primal nature.  I like my fights heated, but not genuinely violent enough to be full of blood and bruises.

[connor]

Much of the foregoing but have them take their clothes off. Geez! it must be sexual.

[connor]

Hey, Connor, sometimes scantily clad is just as good as fully nekkid.  Leaving something to the imagination never hurts!   

Unfortunately we have to leave the imagination to the producers   zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

[femalewrestlingchannel]

Hey, Connor, sometimes scantily clad is just as good as fully nekkid.  Leaving something to the imagination never hurts!   

So which is it: sometimes or never?
Such superior precision communication abilities must find an outlet. Allow the Bunk to do a little matchmaking here. There is only one place where writing like this, on this subject matter, would fit like a latex glove. Of course, I am referring to Catfightreport!

Catfightreport has already confessed his lack of skill in this area. Catfightreport, this fellow could benefit you in the manner of Hunter Thompson at Rolling Stone, or maybe even Eustace Tilley at the New Yorker.

You're both welcome.

I love you too hunny.

Thanks for the comments.   

[Renee_CatfightHaven]

Superior of the fittest?   "could be".

I've seen in my school years, guys protect or come to the aid of the weaker of the two girls in a catfight.
Of course it could be that their heart was in the right place at the time or they saw it as the opprotune time to make a play for the girl that had just had her butt kicked in front of everyone.

I've never liked it thought of as a fetish.  The fact that it excites people in different ways is one thing but if anything that excites us or arouses us to be called a fetish well then I guess the list of fetishes is endless. 

In that case a mere fetish isn't a bad thing is it? 

So let's back up and say that I don't like for people to think it's odd.  I love watching MMA whether it's men or women fighting as long as there is a lot of action whether on the ground or standing.  Of course I choose my favorite or hopefull winner and pull for them from start to finish.  Anything sexual going on in my mind?  No.  It's the pure action, the adrenaline pumping action that I love. 

I have sat in front of a large screen or the computer monitor and watched as many catfights as anyone and likely more than most.  When watching / analyzing my own I feel different than when watching / analyzing others.  I'm not going to mention names but I was watching another companys product just last Wed. evening after I tucked the kids in bed.

I sat on the edge of my chair at my desk with my elbow on my knee and suddenly shouted "did you see that!  I can't believe isn't trying to do or "!  This almost caused my #1 cameraman to jump out of his chair while he was reviewing the application of and pics he'd taken of a new prospect I recruited earlier in the day.

I did this four or five times until he brought me a glass of wine and said "relax now and enjoy the match".

Everytime her hair was pulled in a certain manner my scalp would tingle and when I saw the other girl's knee on her crotch as she repositioned herself I tingled "not in a good way", because that is uncomfortable and painful if an "intentional" accidental knee is driven in that area. 

I also more recently sat and watched my own catfight with Desiree that took place in April and then my most recent catfight with Dani.  When each of them pulled my hair I found myself watching and clenching my teeth together as if it were happening right then.  When I felt twice in the first match mentioned that I'd lost control which I rarely do, I thought "okay she deserved that but I really don't like that feeling I got".  One was when had reached through her legs to pull my hair and her grip only grew tighter and tighter and somehow we got twisted around with me on her back and my head toward her feet and visa-versa.  I started punching her in the ribs while telling her to let go of my hair.  It wasn't that the punches were harder than the many I and Adrianne or Dani and I have traded, it was the feeling I had.  I wasn't submitting to a hairpull just like I wouldn't quit in a fight at a club when I was younger while getting my hair pulled.

The other point I had that same feeling of losing it was near the last fall when I was prone on top of her and she was once again not letting go of my hair.  I had my elbow in her face along with the butt of my hand and using them which is something I normally don't do. 

Also in the Dani match she pulls my hair the same way and with no regard to her own scalp being treated the exact same way.  It brings out a different me, so to speak.  Then Dani without warning of any kind during an exit interview of sorts just slapped me across the face and I suppose it was for one of two reasons and I won't touch on those here.  Those that have seen it are familiar with it though.

Had it not been for her wrist being injured badly it wouldn't have ended for quite a few minutes after the actual time it took for me to regain my composure.  I don't do that in matches (lose it), I keep it in check and do my best not to be on the receiving end.  It's what I'm supposed to do.  "right?" 

The reason I mention these two specifically and I'll go ahead and throw in 69-c with Tori and #C-2 with Adrianne in there for the same reasons.

Fans and friends have written in specifically asking about the feelings I was having at those specific moments (as well as others I haven't mentioned).  They've often asked the same questions or made comments pertaining to why men and women (primarily men) watching women fight and they raised issue with specific moments in those matches mentioned as to why they enjoy it etc. etc.


I'm getting way off topic or maybe not really.

It goes well back to the beginning of time and I wish I could have been around with a nice camera to get it all on tape.  How cool would that have been? 

Maybe it has to do with the women bearing children and being so protective of them.  I know that my mom on more than one occasion would bare her claws and speak in a tone that I thought was only used when I broke something, if an older child messed with me or if their mom scolded me and so on.

I have found myself doing the same more times than I care to remember in defense of the children or even my husband if a woman puts her hand on him especially in a way that I think is a slap in the face to me.  To top that all off I'm no a jealous woman at all.  Cutting up is fine with me unless you're the ex or someone who has the reputation of sleeping with married men then it's "hands off".

Some say it's the "animalistic thing" and I guess that comes from the scratching (claws and fur/hair flying etc.) and in many times trying to keep fighting even when being pulled off and even then after a few deep breaths rushing each other yet again to finish the fight.

As mentioned in one of the replies here, the breast and hips come into play.  Again, doesn't this fall into the child bearing thing.  Of course I understand the sexuality of the breasts being exposed, squeezed, clawed and pinched etc. etc.

That brings on another topic.  I've watched many customs or fantasy productions and although I enjoy the rougher customs especially as a participant but with the breast clawing such as I've done at ShyRenee, that also is neat to sit back and watch.

No further comment on that.  LOL, trying to stick to the topic at hand or as close as I can.

Sorry for babbling on for so long and hope I didn't bore anyone to death with that.

Sincerely,

Renee... 

[connor]

Catfightreport I think Bunk is backing off the hard-line position towards u.

Renee, just great to receive your views. You are somethin special in the catfight industry and an extremely sexy woman to boot ( pun ).

U have to admit tho that a staged catfight ( don't get me wrong but most catfight productions stop a long way or just short of reality - they have to, to avoid intentional injury , as it should be)  is a situation where you can remember each hair-pull or slap or whatever. Normally in a real fight, unless u keep the cool really well, the memory of what happened is just a blur. At least when I had a fight I used to lose the cool with only a black eye or a broken tooth to remind me of what took place.

I like to put women on a pedestal, because they r special and vulnerable. My instincts r to protect them when necessary. Consider my surprise when I now admit that I like to see them fight in a staged way with all the sexual nuances as trimmings. I hang my head in shame and yet, if I see two women in the street having a fight my first instinct is to step in and separate them perhaps to the consternation of other watchers. So at the end of the day I am still a gentleman.

U Renee, r on my pedestal.

[lumberjack66]

Thanks Renee for your thoughts.  I think your perspective on this is different that us guys.  For you it is definitely more of a competitive interest.  For us it is a sexual interest.  I think when you talk about guys stopping a fight that could be one of many things.  First there are a few guys that are turned on by the looser in a fight.  I don't understand that one myself, but it could be a rescue of the damsel in distress and hoping to score points with her.  I think the second reason is that there is a sense of honor and rules when guys fight.  Typically when the other guy is beaten you let him go.  Women don't really follow that code when they fight.  When they fight it keeps racheting up.  Escallating.  By the end of most female fights I have seen, the winner intends to destroy the looser.  The guys step in imposing our code on the ladies.  You have won.  The fight is now over.  I think the third reason may also apply... we feel a little guilty getting excited at the loosers expense and stop it to compensate for our guilt.

As far as our interest being a "Fetish" it is probably more of a strong interest for most of us than a true "Fetish" especially by the clinical definition.  I guess Fetish has lost a lot of its stigmatism lately.  It is largely a way for us to say it is our "Thing".  I have heard people refer to their preference for breasts, butts, hair color, etc. as fetishes lately.  And if it is a "Fetish" it is very wide spread as testified to by the movies, TV Soaps, Reality shows, etc.

[KatFiteFan]

I find this topic of particular interest since I have had a catfight interest for over thirty years.  For me it started from seeing girls fighting it out totally uninhibited in their actions.  Being vicious and wanting to totally dominate the other girl and they dont care who is watching.  Also I found the moaning and positions very sexual even before I truly understood it.

I also do believe that once an opponent can not defend themselves the fight needs to be stopped.  I have seen otherwise good fights turn tragic just because the spectators were too turn on by the idea of the fight that they forget that someone was getting truly hurt.

BTW:  if anyone thinks female MMA fighters are ugly should check out:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=34739755

[Renee_CatfightHaven]

Thanks for the compliments guys.  On the MMA subject.  Many of the women that fight in this sport aren't ugly by anyone's standards.

Regardless of looks as far as "standards" go, I respect and admire them all because they're getting to do something that is very exciting.

I admit that when watching the guys I prefer those that are more talented and "kick ass" as opposed to those that spend a lot of time back pedalling and hoping their opponent slips on the mats.

I'll also admit that I enjoying watching Urijah Faber and others for more than one reason as well.

Sincerely,

Renee... 
p.s.  I also understand the difference between the beat down style fighting, street fights and the concern for safety as compared to wrestling / rules catfighting on the mats and customs (whether hard hitting and fast paced or more erotic).

I've been in more than a handful of matches at the Haven though where I've actually been more than willing to step "outside" to finish it but in most of those instances have remained very professional about things hoping that the two of us could hit the mats again because of the action in the match.

For those that got the chance to see my match with Desiree, I was a tad irate in that one on a few occasions, with Dani of late the same and with Adrianne in C-2 and 72 as well.  There were others earlier on where the other persons attitude during live shows really got to me as well.

Anyway, enough of that.  I hope this board thrives just like I hope many, many of the upstart companys do as well.  It's really neat to see the interest in fem fighting grow or should I say become more and more acceted.

Never will it be accepted by those that place them on the pedestals of life or at least they won't admit it openly.  LOL

[academybruce]

Hey, Connor, sometimes scantily clad is just as good as fully nekkid.  Leaving something to the imagination never hurts!   

Unfortunately we have to leave the imagination to the producers   zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Nonsense! Every producer out there is a person just like you who gets off on f/f combat and thought they could do something better or different that might have an audience.

You believe the producers are not good enough? Fine! I agree completely! Get together $1,000 and demonstrate that your imagination is better!

[connor]

Hey, Connor, sometimes scantily clad is just as good as fully nekkid.  Leaving something to the imagination never hurts!   

Unfortunately we have to leave the imagination to the producers   zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

I am prepared to be awakened.

Nonsense! Every producer out there is a person just like you who gets off on f/f combat and thought they could do something better or different that might have an audience: you are speaking for all the producers, I am not 100% in agreement with your assessment.

You believe the producers are not good enough? Fine! I agree completely! Get together $1,000 and demonstrate that your imagination is better!

Finally, you agree with me, but you have undervalued my imagination.

From where does this sensitivity you have shown stem from: a microcosmic opinion from a disgruntled imagination needn't have provoked you into a response. In other words ' I didn't know you cared'.